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Post by HawaiiVB on Jun 20, 2021 13:14:50 GMT -5
Wait, what is the status of vaccinated people on the islands? I would have figured by now Hawaii should be fairly in the green considering how low infections were in the first place? Places are starting to open up completely in the mainland and pretty much all the B1G schools have announced they will have full capacity for Fall games. Our Gov is afraid to open up. He is one of them guys who will wait for other states to do their stuff and then follow them. The Lt Gov wants to open. The mayor of Honolulu wants to open. Most folks on Oahu want to open. Unfortunately, our gov has the last word. There is hope on the horizon though. He has stated that if trend of low case count continues and our fully vaccinated rate reaches over 60%, he may drop all restrictions. That will probably be in July so Hawaii will be one month behind everybody else. Hopefully, the embarrassment of being the last to open will push him to open sooner. One can only hope. I'm okay with the Governor being conservative with opening back up, the total amount of fully vaccinated peeps in the country is about 47% and around 60plus for one shot-ers. And of course, once summer is gone, the state is going after the Asian visitors even though there are big problem areas, especially in Japan. So opening back sooner than later is a reality. For now, too many tourists in Honolulu that are being obnoxious indoors with mask-wearing not to mention the Delta variant becoming a huge problem on the Big Island, which is a big reason why he is stalling. What some people don't realize is that even though you are vaccinated, if you get infected and have symptoms, it could mean being at home trying to fight it for a few days. And with about 75% of our adult population being classified as "high risk", none of the medical experts have enough evidence to know if those people would not have lingering effects from being infected. For the Governor, that's still not clear. So he and his team use some guidelines from the CDC and also tweak them for our own statistics. We are opened up enough where most businesses can operate with minimal loss. And the safe travels program is winding down, so I'm okay with the measures in place. I'm not a fan of those Trumpie Governors who opened back up early and now are seeing a problematic rise in the Delta variant. As my UH Epidemiologist friend said, the reason why many tourists are flocking here is not just the weather, but because the virus spread has been pretty minimal. Many see Hawai'i as one of the safest states to visit and bonus we do not have any storms, cold fronts, or heatwaves going on at present. Too many stupid people who do not trust science and politize the situation are here in the state. In the end, I'm sure he is going to open up before the school session starts if not sooner. |
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Post by 808empath on Jun 20, 2021 13:48:16 GMT -5
Our Gov is afraid to open up. He is one of them guys who will wait for other states to do their stuff and then follow them. The Lt Gov wants to open. The mayor of Honolulu wants to open. Most folks on Oahu want to open. Unfortunately, our gov has the last word. There is hope on the horizon though. He has stated that if trend of low case count continues and our fully vaccinated rate reaches over 60%, he may drop all restrictions. That will probably be in July so Hawaii will be one month behind everybody else. Hopefully, the embarrassment of being the last to open will push him to open sooner. One can only hope. I'm okay with the Governor being conservative with opening back up, the total amount of fully vaccinated peeps in the country is about 47% and around 60plus for one shot-ers. And of course, once summer is gone, the state is going after the Asian visitors even though there are big problem areas, especially in Japan. So opening back sooner than later is a reality. For now, too many tourists in Honolulu that are being obnoxious indoors with mask-wearing not to mention the Delta variant becoming a huge problem on the Big Island, which is a big reason why he is stalling. What some people don't realize is that even though you are vaccinated, if you get infected and have symptoms, it could mean being at home trying to fight it for a few days. And with about 75% of our adult population being classified as "high risk", none of the medical experts have enough evidence to know if those people would not have lingering effects from being infected. For the Governor, that's still not clear. So he and his team use some guidelines from the CDC and also tweak them for our own statistics. We are opened up enough where most businesses can operate with minimal loss. And the safe travels program is winding down, so I'm okay with the measures in place. I'm not a fan of those Trumpie Governors who opened back up early and now are seeing a problematic rise in the Delta variant. As my UH Epidemiologist friend said, the reason why many tourists are flocking here is not just the weather, but because the virus spread has been pretty minimal. Many see Hawai'i as one of the safest states to visit and bonus we do not have any storms, cold fronts, or heatwaves going on at present. Too many stupid people who do not trust science and politize the situation are here in the state. In the end, I'm sure he is going to open up before the school session starts if not sooner. šÆ |
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 20, 2021 14:45:15 GMT -5
Our Gov is afraid to open up. He is one of them guys who will wait for other states to do their stuff and then follow them. The Lt Gov wants to open. The mayor of Honolulu wants to open. Most folks on Oahu want to open. Unfortunately, our gov has the last word. There is hope on the horizon though. He has stated that if trend of low case count continues and our fully vaccinated rate reaches over 60%, he may drop all restrictions. That will probably be in July so Hawaii will be one month behind everybody else. Hopefully, the embarrassment of being the last to open will push him to open sooner. One can only hope. I'm okay with the Governor being conservative with opening back up, the total amount of fully vaccinated peeps in the country is about 47% and around 60plus for one shot-ers. And of course, once summer is gone, the state is going after the Asian visitors even though there are big problem areas, especially in Japan. So opening back sooner than later is a reality. For now, too many tourists in Honolulu that are being obnoxious indoors with mask-wearing not to mention the Delta variant becoming a huge problem on the Big Island, which is a big reason why he is stalling. What some people don't realize is that even though you are vaccinated, if you get infected and have symptoms, it could mean being at home trying to fight it for a few days. And with about 75% of our adult population being classified as "high risk", none of the medical experts have enough evidence to know if those people would not have lingering effects from being infected. For the Governor, that's still not clear. So he and his team use some guidelines from the CDC and also tweak them for our own statistics. We are opened up enough where most businesses can operate with minimal loss. And the safe travels program is winding down, so I'm okay with the measures in place. I'm not a fan of those Trumpie Governors who opened back up early and now are seeing a problematic rise in the Delta variant. As my UH Epidemiologist friend said, the reason why many tourists are flocking here is not just the weather, but because the virus spread has been pretty minimal. Many see Hawai'i as one of the safest states to visit and bonus we do not have any storms, cold fronts, or heatwaves going on at present. Too many stupid people who do not trust science and politize the situation are here in the state. In the end, I'm sure he is going to open up before the school session starts if not sooner. AGREED 100%! |
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Post by noblesol on Jun 20, 2021 14:53:09 GMT -5
CDC reports nationally - 06/20: f/vax @ 45.1% total pop., 52.8% 12>; one shot or more @ 53.3% total pop., 62.4% 12>. CDC reports Hawai'i - 06/20: f/vax @ 50.9% total pop., 59.4% 12>, 83.1% 65>; one shot or more @ 69.0% total pop., 80.4% 12>, 99.4% 65>. HI DOH (current 06/18) - 06/20: f/vax @ 56% total pop., 66% 12>; one shot or more @ 61% total pop.; 72% 12>. covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinationshealth.hawaii.gov/coronavirusdisease2019/what-you-should-know/current-situation-in-hawaii/#vaccineRe Delta variant in Hawai'i, HI DOH report dated 06/14 (most current info), that they've detected just one case of Delta variant on Hawai'i, and they have no evidence of other cases. And, the current vax options protect against the Delta variant and serious illness from all known variants: governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/doh-news-release-hawaii-department-of-health-laboratory-detects-delta-variant-in-hawaii/"The State Laboratories Division routinely monitors for variants through genome sequencing surveillance. The variant was detected in a specimen from an Oāahu resident, who traveled to Nevada in early May; the Delta variant was reported in Nevada in May. The person was fully vaccinated for COVID-19 prior to travel and had a negative SARS-CoV-2 test prior to departing Nevada. The person developed mild symptoms consistent with COVID-19 several days after returning to Hawaiāi and tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. The individual was isolated and household and close contacts were quarantined. To date, there is no evidence of household transmission or secondary cases." āThe vaccines not only help protect against infection, they protect against severe illness,ā said State Health Director Dr. Elizabeth Char. āWhile this is one of those very rare breakthrough cases in which the vaccine did not prevent infection, the infected person did not suffer severe illness.ā |
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Post by medusa on Jun 20, 2021 15:16:17 GMT -5
Wait, what is the status of vaccinated people on the islands? I would have figured by now Hawaii should be fairly in the green considering how low infections were in the first place? Places are starting to open up completely in the mainland and pretty much all the B1G schools have announced they will have full capacity for Fall games. Our Gov is afraid to open up. He is one of them guys who will wait for other states to do their stuff and then follow them. The Lt Gov wants to open. The mayor of Honolulu wants to open. Most folks on Oahu want to open. Unfortunately, our gov has the last word. There is hope on the horizon though. He has stated that if trend of low case count continues and our fully vaccinated rate reaches over 60%, he may drop all restrictions. That will probably be in July so Hawaii will be one month behind everybody else. Hopefully, the embarrassment of being the last to open will push him to open sooner. One can only hope. Hawaii has received 1,921,850 doses so far, administering 85% or 1,649,657 of the doses. Overall, 712,370 people or 50.31% of Hawaii's population have been fully vaccinated. |
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Post by noblesol on Jun 20, 2021 15:31:58 GMT -5
State of Hawai'i official policy: - Current policy benchmarks - June 15: Safe Travels program ends for inter-county travel. Inter-county testing/quarantine requirements ended with 55%> of State total pop. @ f/vax; testing/quarantine ended for residents participating in the Safe Travels program and returning from mainland with f/vax completed in Hawai'i prior to their mainland travel. TBD @ 60% f/vax: individuals vaccinated in the United States who are traveling domestically, will be able to bypass the testing/quarantine requirement with proof of vaccination through the stateās Safe Travels program; Social gatherings of 25 allowed indoors and 75 allowed outdoors; restaurants allowed up to 75% capacity (with maximum groups size of 25 indoors and 75 outdoors). TBD @ 70% f/vax: All restrictions terminate. Social gatherings are no longer restricted and restaurants will continue to be regulated in the normal course by the Department of Health, which may establish new, permanent rules in light of the pandemic. governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/office-of-the-governor-news-release-inter-county-travel-restrictions-to-end-on-june-15-gov-ige-sets-benchmarks-for-easing-domestic-travel-restrictions/governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/office-of-the-governor-news-release-governor-ige-sets-additional-vaccination-benchmarks-for-gatherings-restaurants-also-signs-new-proclamation-terminating-some-emergency-provisions/Latest Gov. Ige comments: "After defending his push to get to a 70% vaccination rate before lifting all COVID restrictions, Gov. David Ige suggested Thursday he may be changing his mind on the matter. āIf we see the case counts drop before we hit 70%, then thatās another way that we would drop all restrictions,ā Ige said, speaking at a news conference on an unrelated matter. āIt is about the virus activity, how much virus is circulating in our community, and what the health care capacity of our community is that would determine when the restrictions get released.ā That would mean no more indoor mask mandate, travel restrictions or capacity limits. The statements come as much of the mainland US has reopened fully, including a number of key tourism destinations, and as businesses are calling on the governor to reconsider the rules." www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/06/18/gov-ige-suggests-state-could-drop-all-covid-restrictions-before-reaching-70-vaccination-rate/ |
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Post by noblesol on Jun 20, 2021 16:30:51 GMT -5
Notes on what is not being counted or calculated in Hawai'i immunity benchmarks for opening up:
- Natural immunity acquired through cases of exposure to COVID is not calculated in State policy determinations for opening up. Confirmed COVID cases in Hawai'i is >37k.
- Additionally, CDC estimates that at least 2x the number of confirmed COVID cases exist in the general population, as persons exposed and recovered but never tested.
- Those with natural acquired immunity are currently assessed as having immune protection as good as current vax immunity, and believed to be as long lasting.
So, ~111,000 of Hawai'i population w/naturally acquired immunity to COVID are not being counted toward opening the State back up.
- ~15% of Hawai'i total pop. is under age 12 and not vax eligible, or ~210,000 pop. of the ~1.42 million total State pop.
- CDC assesses the under 12 population as having much less health risk from COVID. They infrequently get it, infrequently transmit it to others, infrequently require hospitalization, and deaths are rare.
- Hawai'i DOH has not reported an under 12 COVID death w/o co-morbidity. Fewer than five deaths of the State 511 deaths, have been reported for 17 and under.
- Hawai'i does not adjust its lock down policy to account for differing age groups. IOW, it assesses all age groups as having equal risk of transmission, equal risk of hospitalization, equal risk of death, equal risk from vaccination, and equal opportunity to vaccinate.
So, ~200,000 of the Hawaii population that is under 12 and that can't vaccinate, and if w/o a pre-existing co-morbidity may not need to due to less inherent risk, are treated as having the same risk profile in Hawaii as the 65 and older population. The State is counting this under 12 population in its vax% of total pop. calculation. Other mainland states are not doing this.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Jun 20, 2021 20:20:19 GMT -5
Notes on what is not being counted or calculated in Hawai'i immunity benchmarks for opening up: - Natural immunity acquired through cases of exposure to COVID is not calculated in State policy determinations for opening up. Confirmed COVID cases in Hawai'i is >37k. - Additionally, CDC estimates that at least 2x the number of confirmed COVID cases exist in the general population, as persons exposed and recovered but never tested. - Those with natural acquired immunity are currently assessed as having immune protection as good as current vax immunity, and believed to be as long lasting. So, ~111,000 of Hawai'i population w/naturally acquired immunity to COVID are not being counted toward opening the State back up. - ~15% of Hawai'i total pop. is under age 12 and not vax eligible, or ~210,000 pop. of the ~1.42 million total State pop. - CDC assesses the under 12 population as having much less health risk from COVID. They infrequently get it, infrequently transmit it to others, infrequently require hospitalization, and deaths are rare. - Hawai'i DOH has not reported an under 12 COVID death w/o co-morbidity. Fewer than five deaths of the State 511 deaths, have been reported for 17 and under. - Hawai'i does not adjust its lock down policy to account for differing age groups. IOW, it assesses all age groups as having equal risk of transmission, equal risk of hospitalization, equal risk of death, equal risk from vaccination, and equal opportunity to vaccinate. So, ~200,000 of the Hawaii population that is under 12 and that can't vaccinate, and if w/o a pre-existing co-morbidity may not need to due to less inherent risk, are treated as having the same risk profile in Hawaii as the 65 and older population. The State is counting this under 12 population in its vax% of total pop. calculation. Other mainland states are not doing this. CDC thusly the state of Hawai'i does not count people who had Covid as the same as a person being vaccinated. People may disagree, but I trust science. After being infected with the virus you may have naturally formed antibodies to the virus, however, the amount of those antibodies are particular to one's immune system and the strength of the antibodies again is not consistent. Having the vaccine provides the same amount dosage of "spike" antibodies which has more predictable protection versus the "globular" antibodies your body would produce if you were infected with the virus. From the CDC website www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html"If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine? Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. Thatās because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. Even if you have already recovered from COVID-19, it is possibleāalthough rareāthat you could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 again. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19. Learn more about why getting vaccinated is a safer way to build protection than getting infected. If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine. If you or your child has a history of multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults or children (MIS-A or MIS-C), consider delaying vaccination until you or your child have recovered from being sick and for 90 days after the date of diagnosis of MIS-A or MIS-C. Learn more about the clinical considerations people with a history of multisystem MIS-C or MIS-A. Experts are still learning more about how long vaccines protect against COVID-19. CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available. Related pages: Benefits of Getting Vaccinated Preparing for Your COVID-19 Vaccination |
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Jun 20, 2021 20:22:26 GMT -5
I think what is holding up the schedule is whether UH will be able to admit fans in August. If fans are allowed, I think UH will put on 2 tournaments. I donāt think many corporation will want to sponsor a volleyball tournament with no fans in the stand. With UH playing 20 conference matches, they only need 8 out of conference matches. 2 tournaments will give UH 6 matches. The other two, they can go on the road or maybe play Hilo/Chaminade/HPU at home. It will be tough to bring in teams to just play 2 matches. Teams want to come here for tournaments since it will be a test run for post season play. Someone mentioned Marquette, TAMU and Fairfield are scheduled to play in one tournament. If the Hawaii GOV was to announce that all restrictions have been lifted sooner than later and UH can admit fans, you will see season tickets go on sale and schedule will be quickly finalized. Iām sure AD Dave Matlin is in Governorās ear. Our current tier 4 status allows 33% capacity for spectators at an indor sports event. So it's currently permitted. Hopefully we don't go backwards, and the audience capacity percentage increases even more by August, assuming steady progress on vaccinations and adherence to mask wearing and social distancing. www.google.com/amp/s/www.khon2.com/coronavirus/oahu-advances-to-tier-4-allowing-outdoor-gatherings-of-25-people/amp/ |
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Post by brooselee on Jun 20, 2021 20:49:46 GMT -5
I think what is holding up the schedule is whether UH will be able to admit fans in August. If fans are allowed, I think UH will put on 2 tournaments. I donāt think many corporation will want to sponsor a volleyball tournament with no fans in the stand. With UH playing 20 conference matches, they only need 8 out of conference matches. 2 tournaments will give UH 6 matches. The other two, they can go on the road or maybe play Hilo/Chaminade/HPU at home. It will be tough to bring in teams to just play 2 matches. Teams want to come here for tournaments since it will be a test run for post season play. Someone mentioned Marquette, TAMU and Fairfield are scheduled to play in one tournament. If the Hawaii GOV was to announce that all restrictions have been lifted sooner than later and UH can admit fans, you will see season tickets go on sale and schedule will be quickly finalized. Iām sure AD Dave Matlin is in Governorās ear. Our current tier 4 status allows 33% capacity for spectators at an indor sports event. So it's currently permitted. Hopefully we don't go backwards, and the audience capacity percentage increases even more by August, assuming steady progress on vaccinations and adherence to mask wearing and social distancing. www.google.com/amp/s/www.khon2.com/coronavirus/oahu-advances-to-tier-4-allowing-outdoor-gatherings-of-25-people/amp/Itās a headache to allow for a 33% capacity. You have to spread people out and you also have the headache of trying to determine who is family and who can sit together without spacing. I donāt think UH is happy with a 33% limit. You also have the issue of how do you allocate the seats to season ticket holders? If John Doe has ticket on the lower level but due to spacing, he will be pushed back to the mid level seats. Is that fair to him? Iām telling you, itās a bigger headache than one can imagine. UH will get bombarded with complaints about how this guy was a 20 year season ticket holder and deserve better, etcā¦Not to mention family members of visiting teams who pay for travel to Hawaii to watch their kids play and get denied entry due to reaching the acceptable limit. Best solution is the gov to end all restrictions and have UH implement a mask policy. That would be the ideal situation because that way you are allowing everyone to sit where they want and also taking precautions with the virus by requiring mask. If people can sit in a plane and fly for 5 plus hours relatively safely, UH should be able to accommodate fans who are masked for 2 plus hours. Gov Ige should give UH a waiver and allow them to operate at full capacity. When the 70% mark is reached, then everybody else will be allowed to host events at full capacity too. UH kind of need to know soon because of scheduling and being able to book flights for teams to come. Waiting till August to make a decision is kind of late. It could cost UH money and possible lose out on some teams who cannot wait. |
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Post by staticb on Jun 20, 2021 21:35:05 GMT -5
You can do what everyone else did--say you're doing 33%, but really sell like 60% (which you justify saying there will be X noshows) and not really enforce the 33% and social distancing, etc
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Post by noblesol on Jun 21, 2021 2:00:48 GMT -5
Notes on what is not being counted or calculated in Hawai'i immunity benchmarks for opening up: - Natural immunity acquired through cases of exposure to COVID is not calculated in State policy determinations for opening up. Confirmed COVID cases in Hawai'i is >37k. - Additionally, CDC estimates that at least 2x the number of confirmed COVID cases exist in the general population, as persons exposed and recovered but never tested. - Those with natural acquired immunity are currently assessed as having immune protection as good as current vax immunity, and believed to be as long lasting. So, ~111,000 of Hawai'i population w/naturally acquired immunity to COVID are not being counted toward opening the State back up. - ~15% of Hawai'i total pop. is under age 12 and not vax eligible, or ~210,000 pop. of the ~1.42 million total State pop. - CDC assesses the under 12 population as having much less health risk from COVID. They infrequently get it, infrequently transmit it to others, infrequently require hospitalization, and deaths are rare. - Hawai'i DOH has not reported an under 12 COVID death w/o co-morbidity. Fewer than five deaths of the State 511 deaths, have been reported for 17 and under. - Hawai'i does not adjust its lock down policy to account for differing age groups. IOW, it assesses all age groups as having equal risk of transmission, equal risk of hospitalization, equal risk of death, equal risk from vaccination, and equal opportunity to vaccinate. So, ~200,000 of the Hawaii population that is under 12 and that can't vaccinate, and if w/o a pre-existing co-morbidity may not need to due to less inherent risk, are treated as having the same risk profile in Hawaii as the 65 and older population. The State is counting this under 12 population in its vax% of total pop. calculation. Other mainland states are not doing this. CDC thusly the state of Hawai'i does not count people who had Covid as the same as a person being vaccinated. People may disagree, but I trust science. After being infected with the virus you may have naturally formed antibodies to the virus, however, the amount of those antibodies are particular to one's immune system and the strength of the antibodies again is not consistent. Having the vaccine provides the same amount dosage of "spike" antibodies which has more predictable protection versus the "globular" antibodies your body would produce if you were infected with the virus. From the CDC website www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html"If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine? Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. Thatās because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. Even if you have already recovered from COVID-19, it is possibleāalthough rareāthat you could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 again. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19. Learn more about why getting vaccinated is a safer way to build protection than getting infected. If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine. If you or your child has a history of multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults or children (MIS-A or MIS-C), consider delaying vaccination until you or your child have recovered from being sick and for 90 days after the date of diagnosis of MIS-A or MIS-C. Learn more about the clinical considerations people with a history of multisystem MIS-C or MIS-A. Experts are still learning more about how long vaccines protect against COVID-19. CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available. Related pages: Benefits of Getting Vaccinated Preparing for Your COVID-19 Vaccination The CDC has not provided a recommendation for state-wide lock downs based on vax% or herd immunity% of total population. In Hawai'i that has been the call of the mayors and the Governor. None of them have provided a CDC or peer-reviewed based scientific rationale for their vax% and lock-down framework. None of them have provided peer reviewed science to justify their benchmarks and restrictions. Those who trust their work are trusting their opinions based on gut calls, not peer reviewed science or CDC recommendation. Other blue check states are opening up, faster than Hawai'i. Who to trust? Don't say science. Peer reviewed science didn't recommend or create the Hawai'i Tier lock-down and Vax% structure.
As for the current science on vax immunity vs. recovery acquired immunity, the CDC recognizes that both methods provide immunity. It is of course safer to not risk the disease to acquire immunity. However, a very recent non-peer reviewed Cleveland Clinic observational study determined that recovery acquired immunity in Cleveland Clinic healthcare professionals has been as effective as vaccination over the course of ~five months observed, and that vaccine supplies could be rationed out first to those without acquired immunity. As for how long either vax or natural acquired immunity will last, and which will be the more effective over time, as the CDC and the Cleveland Clinic both will observe, only time will tell. Data is still being collected, and theoretical models being debated. For now however, science has not yet peer-review demonstrated that one is better than the other, only that thus far both appear to offer effective protection.
Provided there is enough vaccine to go around, CDC and Cleveland Clinic state that vaccination may be given to those who have natural acquired immunity, as a booster. However, there is no demonstrated requirement that they be 'boosted' any more than there is a demonstrated requirement that the fully vaccinated be 'boosted' (yet). Given the nature of SARs viruses and previous experience, it is anticipated that both vax and naturally acquired immunity may eventually need booster shots. Many studies are being done on follow-up vaccination drugs and protocols in anticipation that eventually all will need a booster shot, like the annual flu shot. My conclusion is that Dr. Green, Lt. Governor of Hawai'i, has it about right. He believes that vax% benchmarks in Hawai'i should take into consideration naturally acquired immunity as part of the public health equation, and that he would add at a minimum 4% to the vax% totals to get us more quickly to the 70% vax benchmark. As for those under 12, he recognizes that they are not eligible for vaccination and as a population, much less at risk and much less a risk to the public health. He believes that he is ready to make an argument that we are safe now, that the 70% vax benchmark is very conservative and as defined will be a slog to attain, and other metrics such as hospitalizations should be considered. Hospitalizations, cases, and deaths are all way down, the trend is down, vax% are high and getting higher, and the healthcare system is not overly stressed.
How this all relates to volleyball, is that UH should plan on being open at substantial capacity for fall indoor sports, with no masking requirement for the vaccinated, with all season ticket holders accommodated, and a substantial amount of tickets available for non-season ticket holders. The State should confirm those plans. What is keeping planning stagnate at this point isn't the science or infection levels or trends, it's leadership and administrative listlessness.
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Post by brooselee on Jun 21, 2021 2:21:28 GMT -5
CDC thusly the state of Hawai'i does not count people who had Covid as the same as a person being vaccinated. People may disagree, but I trust science. After being infected with the virus you may have naturally formed antibodies to the virus, however, the amount of those antibodies are particular to one's immune system and the strength of the antibodies again is not consistent. Having the vaccine provides the same amount dosage of "spike" antibodies which has more predictable protection versus the "globular" antibodies your body would produce if you were infected with the virus. From the CDC website www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html"If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine? Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. Thatās because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. Even if you have already recovered from COVID-19, it is possibleāalthough rareāthat you could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 again. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19. Learn more about why getting vaccinated is a safer way to build protection than getting infected. If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine. If you or your child has a history of multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults or children (MIS-A or MIS-C), consider delaying vaccination until you or your child have recovered from being sick and for 90 days after the date of diagnosis of MIS-A or MIS-C. Learn more about the clinical considerations people with a history of multisystem MIS-C or MIS-A. Experts are still learning more about how long vaccines protect against COVID-19. CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available. Related pages: Benefits of Getting Vaccinated Preparing for Your COVID-19 Vaccination The CDC has not provided a recommendation for state-wide lock downs based on vax% or herd immunity% of total population. In Hawai'i that has been the call of the mayors and the Governor. None of them have provided a CDC or peer-reviewed based scientific rationale for their vax% and lock-down framework. None of them have provided peer reviewed science to justify their benchmarks and restrictions. Those who trust their work are trusting their opinions based on gut calls, not peer reviewed science or CDC recommendation. Other blue check states are opening up, faster than Hawai'i. Who to trust? Don't say science. Peer reviewed science didn't recommend or create the Hawai'i Tier lock-down and Vax% structure.
As for the current science on vax immunity vs. recovery acquired immunity, the CDC recognizes that both methods provide immunity. It is of course safer to not risk the disease to acquire immunity. However, a very recent non-peer reviewed Cleveland Clinic observational study determined that recovery acquired immunity in Cleveland Clinic healthcare professionals has been as effective as vaccination over the course of ~five months observed, and that vaccine supplies could be rationed out first to those without acquired immunity. As for how long either vax or natural acquired immunity will last, and which will be the more effective over time, as the CDC and the Cleveland Clinic both will observe, only time will tell. Data is still being collected, and theoretical models being debated. For now however, science has not yet peer-review demonstrated that one is better than the other, only that thus far both appear to offer effective protection.
Provided there is enough vaccine to go around, CDC and Cleveland Clinic state that vaccination may be given to those who have natural acquired immunity, as a booster. However, there is no demonstrated requirement that they be 'boosted' any more than there is a demonstrated requirement that the fully vaccinated be 'boosted' (yet). Given the nature of SARs viruses and previous experience, it is anticipated that both vax and naturally acquired immunity may eventually need booster shots. Many studies are being done on follow-up vaccination drugs and protocols in anticipation that eventually all will need a booster shot, like the annual flu shot. My conclusion is that Dr. Green, Lt. Governor of Hawai'i, has it about right. He believes that vax% benchmarks in Hawai'i should take into consideration naturally acquired immunity as part of the public health equation, and that he would add at a minimum 4% to the vax% totals to get us more quickly to the 70% vax benchmark. As for those under 12, he recognizes that they are not eligible for vaccination and as a population, much less at risk and much less a risk to the public health. He believes that he is ready to make an argument that we are safe now, that the 70% vax benchmark is very conservative and as defined will be a slog to attain, and other metrics such as hospitalizations should be considered. Hospitalizations, cases, and deaths are all way down, the trend is down, vax% are high and getting higher, and the healthcare system is not overly stressed.
How this all relates to volleyball, is that UH should plan on being open at substantial capacity for fall indoor sports, with no masking requirement for the vaccinated, with all season ticket holders accommodated, and a substantial amount of tickets available for non-season ticket holders. The State should confirm those plans. What is keeping planning stagnate at this point isn't the science or infection levels or trends, it's leadership and administrative listlessness.
Like I mentioned in earlier postā¦..our governor is scared. His decisions are all base on his fear. Green and Blangiardi both want to do away with restrictions already. For some unexplained reason, Ige thinks he knows better. |
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Post by babybacksets on Jun 21, 2021 2:43:20 GMT -5
Lol so when does practice start?
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Post by walreiter1 on Jun 21, 2021 21:51:37 GMT -5
sorry for OT. why should the japanese come back? they have a very low vaccination rate. lately I only leave 2%. and europeans are still locked out although the numbers are low and the vaccination rate will soon catch up with the usa? all that nonsense Biden no better than trump. what should the Travelban bring? The delta variant is already in place in 42 states. so the ban brings nothing. Biden scared without end. is like in Germany. Only when the number of new infections in 7 days is below 50 to 100,000 per day does it mean there is a major relaxation. then it says under 20 and now in the single-digit range in many districts it is even 0 and hardly anything changes. here in switzerland, still wearing a mask, we had 1 to 2 new infections per 100,000 residents in the last few days. all spun.
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