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Post by jwvolley on Sept 17, 2020 8:58:05 GMT -5
"The finals site of the championship is scheduled for April 23-25, with a 48-team bracket. Thirty-two of the teams will be automatic qualifiers, with 16 at-large selections. The normal bracket size for the championship is 64 teams. Regular-season play will span from Jan. 22-April 10, with selections April 11" The finals will be on April 25? That is a Sunday. What happens if BYU makes it to the championship game? Luckily, that's not a legitimate possibility this year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 9:32:22 GMT -5
Just had a conversation with someone close to the decision making process at the council meeting today. The proposal for WVB involves an 11 week season that starts the weekend of 1/22 and finishes early April leading to a 48 team tournament that finishes the weekend of 4/23. It still has to be approved, but that at least gives the schools something to plan around. If this is the case and they still have a championship, what is the point of granting an extra year of eligibility and making recruiting a financial conundrum for some schools? Or do you think because of this most teams will say adios to their seniors and recruit as normal? Just curious on your thoughts. Thanks It is a fair question and the simple answer is the decision on eligibility was taken to alleviate a significant pressure on the schools and the athletes at the moment they were trying to chart a course ahead. It might have seemed early when the waiver was granted, but fall sports were essentially paralyzed until it was taken. If the spring happens (and that's still a big if) some might question why the season doesn't count, but the truth is that the entirety of collegiate athletics needed clarity and it needed it at that moment in order to make decisions that were guided by safety first and foremost. In terms of the outcome, what I think you'll see is a lot of seniors moving on after they graduate, a really well prepared 2020 freshman class stepping in to replace them, with some talented seniors extending their eligibility - either at the same school or via the portal - in order to play fall 2021. I spoke to a HC at a P5 school last week who told me, of his 4 seniors, he's only asked 1 to return. The rest will graduate having had, regardless of what occurs in the spring, a radically different senior season than they were hoping for. It's a tough situation and there weren't any good options; only bad ones but, as the philosopher Cranston once said, "this is the best bad idea we have".
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 17, 2020 9:42:36 GMT -5
The finals will be on April 25? That is a Sunday. What happens if BYU makes it to the championship game? Luckily, that's not a legitimate possibility this year. Yup, just like 2014.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 9:45:48 GMT -5
Luckily, that's not a legitimate possibility this year. Yup, just like 2014. Hah, I'll take that bet.
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Post by dman on Sept 17, 2020 9:47:12 GMT -5
If this is the case and they still have a championship, what is the point of granting an extra year of eligibility and making recruiting a financial conundrum for some schools? Or do you think because of this most teams will say adios to their seniors and recruit as normal? Just curious on your thoughts. Thanks It is a fair question and the simple answer is the decision on eligibility was taken to alleviate a significant pressure on the schools and the athletes at the moment they were trying to chart a course ahead. It might have seemed early when the waiver was granted, but fall sports were essentially paralyzed until it was taken. If the spring happens (and that's still a big if) some might question why the season doesn't count, but the truth is that the entirety of collegiate athletics needed clarity and it needed it at that moment in order to make decisions that were guided by safety first and foremost. In terms of the outcome, what I think you'll see is a lot of seniors moving on after they graduate, a really well prepared 2020 freshman class stepping in to replace them, with some talented seniors extending their eligibility - either at the same school or via the portal - in order to play fall 2021. I spoke to a HC at a P5 school last week who told me, of his 4 seniors, he's only asked 1 to return. The rest will graduate having had, regardless of what occurs in the spring, a radically different senior season than they were hoping for. It's a tough situation and there weren't any good options; only bad ones but, as the philosopher Cranston once said, "this is the best bad idea we have". Also think the protocols in place have something to do with it as well. Right now, if you are diagnosed with Covid, it's a 14 day quarantine for individual and others she has been in contact with (in essense, it could be entire team). The gradual resumption of activity for the positive individual could be as long as 28 days. You can see how this can lead to many teams playing with a "skeleton crew" or just have to cancel matches entirely.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 17, 2020 9:48:23 GMT -5
Luckily, that's not a legitimate possibility this year. Yup, just like 2014. In 2014 they had Hamson and Gray. Two big time offensive weapons. They don’t have that on their current roster.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 9:54:32 GMT -5
If this is the case and they still have a championship, what is the point of granting an extra year of eligibility and making recruiting a financial conundrum for some schools? Or do you think because of this most teams will say adios to their seniors and recruit as normal? Just curious on your thoughts. Thanks It is a fair question and the simple answer is the decision on eligibility was taken to alleviate a significant pressure on the schools and the athletes at the moment they were trying to chart a course ahead. It might have seemed early when the waiver was granted, but fall sports were essentially paralyzed until it was taken. If the spring happens (and that's still a big if) some might question why the season doesn't count, but the truth is that the entirety of collegiate athletics needed clarity and it needed it at that moment in order to make decisions that were guided by safety first and foremost. In terms of the outcome, what I think you'll see is a lot of seniors moving on after they graduate, a really well prepared 2020 freshman class stepping in to replace them, with some talented seniors extending their eligibility - either at the same school or via the portal - in order to play fall 2021. I spoke to a HC at a P5 school last week who told me, of his 4 seniors, he's only asked 1 to return. The rest will graduate having had, regardless of what occurs in the spring, a radically different senior season than they were hoping for. It's a tough situation and there weren't any good options; only bad ones but, as the philosopher Cranston once said, "this is the best bad idea we have". Three further points:
- I think the foundational idea around the NCAA's blanket waiver for fall sports athletes is something like "there is no chance for anything resembling a normal fall season in any of these sports, no matter what is salvaged in the fall or in the spring, so it isn't fair to count this year as one of the four seasons and one of the five calendar years". Even as things start look "better", for now, I say this still makes sense.
- the language used in the FAQ around the decision makes it seem that each athlete/school still has to put a request in to be granted the extra season/year, if they want/choose to submit it. As you pointed out, perhaps a lot of gals will just want to move on with life, one way or another, after this school year.
- I think I've given a really simple, easy way for the NCAA to let schools out of the "mess" that the extra eligibility will cause: any student-athlete that has earned a degree and is in (or past!) their 6th calendar year of eligibility, shall not count against roster limits or scholarship limits. Will the NCAA be smart enough to do something like this? Will coaches and athletic directors not trip over their own d__ks, about it? I doubt it.
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Post by jwvolley on Sept 17, 2020 9:55:01 GMT -5
Luckily, that's not a legitimate possibility this year. Yup, just like 2014. You mean the year they brought back an upperclassman libero, a first team All American 6'7 opposite, a stud OH in Alexa Gray who had been the 2012 conference freshman of the year along with a middle who had been the 2013 conference freshman of the year. Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 9:56:03 GMT -5
It is a fair question and the simple answer is the decision on eligibility was taken to alleviate a significant pressure on the schools and the athletes at the moment they were trying to chart a course ahead. It might have seemed early when the waiver was granted, but fall sports were essentially paralyzed until it was taken. If the spring happens (and that's still a big if) some might question why the season doesn't count, but the truth is that the entirety of collegiate athletics needed clarity and it needed it at that moment in order to make decisions that were guided by safety first and foremost. In terms of the outcome, what I think you'll see is a lot of seniors moving on after they graduate, a really well prepared 2020 freshman class stepping in to replace them, with some talented seniors extending their eligibility - either at the same school or via the portal - in order to play fall 2021. I spoke to a HC at a P5 school last week who told me, of his 4 seniors, he's only asked 1 to return. The rest will graduate having had, regardless of what occurs in the spring, a radically different senior season than they were hoping for. It's a tough situation and there weren't any good options; only bad ones but, as the philosopher Cranston once said, "this is the best bad idea we have". Also think the protocols in place have something to do with it as well. Right now, if you are diagnosed with Covid, it's a 14 day quarantine for individual and others she has been in contact with (in essense, it could be entire team). The gradual resumption of activity for the positive individual could be as long as 28 days. You can see how this can lead to many teams playing with a "skeleton crew" or just have to cancel matches entirely. That's the point about a spring season not being guaranteed. We've already had cancelled matches and skeleton crews (Lamar) among the low number of contests we've seen so far. It's not hard to imagine disruption during the spring.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 9:58:08 GMT -5
Also think the protocols in place have something to do with it as well. Right now, if you are diagnosed with Covid, it's a 14 day quarantine for individual and others she has been in contact with (in essense, it could be entire team). The gradual resumption of activity for the positive individual could be as long as 28 days. You can see how this can lead to many teams playing with a "skeleton crew" or just have to cancel matches entirely. That's the point about a spring season not being guaranteed. We've already had cancelled matches and skeleton crews (Lamar) among the low number of contests we've seen so far. It's not hard to imagine disruption during the spring. Yes. But we've also seen it early in MLB. Doesn't seem like you hear much about it lately?
Basically ... it seems like: well, yeah, you get sick, then you recover, and then you're done being sick for the rest of the season. So you could see hiccups early ... but doesn't seem like it will shut things down permanently.
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 17, 2020 9:58:58 GMT -5
You mean the year they brought back an upperclassman libero, a first team All American 6'7 opposite, a stud OH in Alexa Gray who had been the 2012 conference freshman of the year along with a middle who had been the 2013 conference freshman of the year. Lol. It's easy with 2020 hindsight. No, I'm talking about the team ranked 14th in week 10 and 12th going in to the tourney that was not on anybody's radar to make the final.
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 17, 2020 10:00:00 GMT -5
I'm in, too! Who are we betting against? Not a prediction, just an observation that it has happened before.
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Post by jwvolley on Sept 17, 2020 10:02:11 GMT -5
You mean the year they brought back an upperclassman libero, a first team All American 6'7 opposite, a stud OH in Alexa Gray who had been the 2012 conference freshman of the year along with a middle who had been the 2013 conference freshman of the year. Lol. It's easy with 2020 hindsight. No, I'm talking about the team ranked 14th in week 10 and 12th going in to the tourney that was not on anybody's radar to make the final. It's not a matter of rankings. They don't have the roster.
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 17, 2020 10:07:05 GMT -5
It's easy with 2020 hindsight. No, I'm talking about the team ranked 14th in week 10 and 12th going in to the tourney that was not on anybody's radar to make the final. It's not a matter of rankings. They don't have the roster. You miss the point. They did not have the roster then, either, according to the voters. Now, with perfect 2020 hindsight, you have decided that they were actually pretty good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 10:09:50 GMT -5
I'm in, too! Who are we betting against? Not a prediction, just an observation that it has happened before. The NY Jets winning the Superbowl happened once before too. I'd put a repeat for the Jets this year as considerably more likely than BYU making it to the NC game.
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