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Post by jwvolley on Sept 17, 2020 10:12:09 GMT -5
It's not a matter of rankings. They don't have the roster. You miss the point. They did not have the roster then, either, according to the voters. Now, with perfect 2020 hindsight, you have decided that they were actually pretty good. It isn't 2020 hindsight. I explained to you what their roster looked like BEFORE the season started. Hamson was a first team 6'7 All American Opposite as a junior. Alexa Gray and Whitney Young were freshmen conference players of the year in 2012 and 2013 respectively. Their libero was an upperclassman before any matches in 2014.
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 17, 2020 10:17:52 GMT -5
I'm in, too! Who are we betting against? Not a prediction, just an observation that it has happened before. The NY Jets winning the Superbowl happened once before too. I'd put a repeat for the Jets this year as considerably more likely than BYU making it to the NC game. OK, now THAT is a bet I will take!
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 17, 2020 10:18:56 GMT -5
Yeah, the 2014 team was way better than the 2020/2021 (spring) team will be. I think BYU will be pretty good again in 2021 (fall) and 2022.
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 17, 2020 10:19:45 GMT -5
You miss the point. They did not have the roster then, either, according to the voters. Now, with perfect 2020 hindsight, you have decided that they were actually pretty good. It isn't 2020 hindsight. I explained to you what their roster looked like BEFORE the season started. Hamson was a first team 6'7 All American Opposite as a junior. Alexa Gray and Whitney Young were freshmen conference players of the year in 2012 and 2013 respectively. Their libero was an upperclassman before any matches in 2014. Again, you explaining that now, with perfect hindsight, is meaningless. It was obviously not the prevailing opinion at the time.
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Post by jwvolley on Sept 17, 2020 10:21:14 GMT -5
It isn't 2020 hindsight. I explained to you what their roster looked like BEFORE the season started. Hamson was a first team 6'7 All American Opposite as a junior. Alexa Gray and Whitney Young were freshmen conference players of the year in 2012 and 2013 respectively. Their libero was an upperclassman before any matches in 2014. Again, you explaining that now, with perfect hindsight, is meaningless. It was obviously not the prevailing opinion at the time. Ok I'm talking to a wall so I'll just drop it. Best of luck to them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 10:24:01 GMT -5
The NY Jets winning the Superbowl happened once before too. I'd put a repeat for the Jets this year as considerably more likely than BYU making it to the NC game. OK, now THAT is a bet I will take! I'll be interested to hear what trojansc thinks but I wouldn't be surprised to see BYU miss a 48 team tournament this year, with USD looking likely to take the automatic bid and just 16 at large bids available.
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Post by n00b on Sept 17, 2020 10:24:15 GMT -5
More than playing on a Sunday, I think having a 48-team tournament over only 10-12 days is the bigger question? Anybody know what that’s supposed to look like? Is the entire thing going to be in one city?
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 17, 2020 10:27:59 GMT -5
OK, now THAT is a bet I will take! I'll be interested to hear what trojansc thinks but I wouldn't be surprised to see BYU miss a 48 team tournament this year, with USD looking likely to take the automatic bid and just 16 at large bids available. It certainly seems possible. I generally don't like to bet against Heather Olmstead, but a 48-team tournament in a rebuilding/development year would be the kind of thing that would need to happen for her BYU team to actually miss the tournament. I think they would still make it in a 64-team tournament. And the thing is, the team is so young right now that it's really hard to predict how quickly the incoming freshman and redshirt freshmen will develop.
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 17, 2020 10:30:13 GMT -5
- the language used in the FAQ around the decision makes it seem that each athlete/school still has to put a request in to be granted the extra season/year, if they want/choose to submit it. As you pointed out, perhaps a lot of gals will just want to move on with life, one way or another, after this school year.
I didn't realize this - but it makes sense. Seems like every player should do the paperwork just in case - particularly underclass players. And this extra year has maybe a bigger impact on Freshman than Seniors.
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 17, 2020 10:30:48 GMT -5
OK, now THAT is a bet I will take! I'll be interested to hear what trojansc thinks but I wouldn't be surprised to see BYU miss a 48 team tournament this year, with USD looking likely to take the automatic bid and just 16 at large bids available. It would be rough for the WCC not to get an at-large bid with their history. Same for the Big West. It will be very interesting to see if they take a 5th at-large from the B1G and/or the PAC12 over a first at-large bid from the Big West or WCC.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 17, 2020 10:42:18 GMT -5
OK, now THAT is a bet I will take! I'll be interested to hear what trojansc thinks but I wouldn't be surprised to see BYU miss a 48 team tournament this year, with USD looking likely to take the automatic bid and just 16 at large bids available. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/125WIIYUNi256SV3oLR_s_Vd3jhK1oSy7oZlFvWijx2Q/htmlviewIf the committee goes to some sort of allocation of bids based on prior precedence, that would be an interesting place to start. I agree with the prior posters comment it would be hard to see the WCC not get one at large bid, but when you’re only getting one at large bid the last 3 of 4 years out of a 32-at large pool, it suddenly seems not so “impossible” the WCC wouldn’t get an at large bid. I’m not convinced BYU is going to be #2 in the WCC. Hell, I’m really worried about USC making a 48 team tournament. I agree USD is my WCC Favorite.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 17, 2020 10:44:37 GMT -5
I'll be interested to hear what trojansc thinks but I wouldn't be surprised to see BYU miss a 48 team tournament this year, with USD looking likely to take the automatic bid and just 16 at large bids available. It would be rough for the WCC not to get an at-large bid with their history. Same for the Big West. It will be very interesting to see if they take a 5th at-large from the B1G and/or the PAC12 over a first at-large bid from the Big West or WCC. The WCC has clearly been above the Big West. 4 of the last 10 years the Big West didn’t have an at large bid, while the WCC has been the best non-power 5 and has a higher % of their teams making the tournament than the ACC
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 10:50:41 GMT -5
I'll be interested to hear what trojansc thinks but I wouldn't be surprised to see BYU miss a 48 team tournament this year, with USD looking likely to take the automatic bid and just 16 at large bids available. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/125WIIYUNi256SV3oLR_s_Vd3jhK1oSy7oZlFvWijx2Q/htmlviewIf the committee goes to some sort of allocation of bids based on prior precedence, that would be an interesting place to start. I agree with the prior posters comment it would be hard to see the WCC not get one at large bid, but when you’re only getting one at large bid the last 3 of 4 years out of a 32-at large pool, it suddenly seems not so “impossible” the WCC wouldn’t get an at large bid. I’m not convinced BYU is going to be #2 in the WCC. Hell, I’m really worried about USC making a 48 team tournament. I agree USD is my WCC Favorite. What if I told you there was growing sentiment among coaches for some non conference games to allow for a more typical selection process. If that happened, would you predict BYU making it in? What about SC? I'll own my bias here; I want SC to make it but I concede it might be tough for Keller with some holes on that roster.
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 17, 2020 11:01:39 GMT -5
It would be rough for the WCC not to get an at-large bid with their history. Same for the Big West. It will be very interesting to see if they take a 5th at-large from the B1G and/or the PAC12 over a first at-large bid from the Big West or WCC. The WCC has clearly been above the Big West. 4 of the last 10 years the Big West didn’t have an at large bid, while the WCC has been the best non-power 5 and has a higher % of their teams making the tournament than the ACC I'm not trying to argue they are equal. It is more relevant to look at the last three years, where WCC has 6 at large bids and the Big West has 4.
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Post by n00b on Sept 17, 2020 11:05:46 GMT -5
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/125WIIYUNi256SV3oLR_s_Vd3jhK1oSy7oZlFvWijx2Q/htmlviewIf the committee goes to some sort of allocation of bids based on prior precedence, that would be an interesting place to start. I agree with the prior posters comment it would be hard to see the WCC not get one at large bid, but when you’re only getting one at large bid the last 3 of 4 years out of a 32-at large pool, it suddenly seems not so “impossible” the WCC wouldn’t get an at large bid. I’m not convinced BYU is going to be #2 in the WCC. Hell, I’m really worried about USC making a 48 team tournament. I agree USD is my WCC Favorite. What if I told you there was growing sentiment for some non conference games to allow for a more typical selection process. If that happened, would you predict BYU making it in? What about SC? I'll own my bias here; I want SC to make it but I concede it might be tough for Keller with some holes on that roster. With a 12-week season and basketball not only allowing, but REQUIRING non-conference games, I no longer see the justification for a conference-only schedule. What would make sense to me from a mitigation standpoint is that you can’t face two different opponents in a 36-hour period. That way if there is an outbreak on one team, it limits the number of opposing teams that need to worry about it.
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