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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 11:09:00 GMT -5
What if I told you there was growing sentiment for some non conference games to allow for a more typical selection process. If that happened, would you predict BYU making it in? What about SC? I'll own my bias here; I want SC to make it but I concede it might be tough for Keller with some holes on that roster. With a 12-week season and basketball not only allowing, but REQUIRING non-conference games, I no longer see the justification for a conference-only schedule. What would make sense to me from a mitigation standpoint is that you can’t face two different opponents in a 36-hour period. That way if there is an outbreak on one team, it limits the number of opposing teams that need to worry about it. So you'd suggest the Big Ten and PAC (if that happens) should focus on non-conf games in the fall, perhaps Friday/Sunday matches?
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Post by trojansc on Sept 17, 2020 11:15:28 GMT -5
What if I told you there was growing sentiment among coaches for some non conference games to allow for a more typical selection process. If that happened, would you predict BYU making it in? What about SC? I'll own my bias here; I want SC to make it but I concede it might be tough for Keller with some holes on that roster. I’m having the same opinion of those coaches, then. I’m super intrigued to see how non conference matches would play out, and it would make the tournament selection process almost assuredly more legitimate. I’m wondering if we will see something like 26 AQ’s and 22 at-larges it certain conferences don’t play? I’m worried for pretty much every western team. Who is relatively close to BYU that they can get scheduled? BYU has a lot of historical precedence as an RPI gem to schedule, so that could help. If I’m USC, I’m desperate to schedule Cal Poly and San Diego. I think it’s going to be much tougher for Western teams. Would we really see croas country non conference competition? Maybe depends on who has the budget? What in the heck is going to happen with Hawaii?
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Post by n00b on Sept 17, 2020 11:21:37 GMT -5
With a 12-week season and basketball not only allowing, but REQUIRING non-conference games, I no longer see the justification for a conference-only schedule. What would make sense to me from a mitigation standpoint is that you can’t face two different opponents in a 36-hour period. That way if there is an outbreak on one team, it limits the number of opposing teams that need to worry about it. So you'd suggest the Big Ten and PAC (if that happens) should focus on non-conf games in the fall, perhaps Friday/Sunday matches? No. I don't think there will be anybody to play in the fall (unless they schedule each other for Big Ten matches). 3 weekends of non-conference. 9 weeks of conference play is totally reasonable in the spring. They can add 2 mid-week matches and still play their full 20 match schedule in 9 weeks.
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Post by n00b on Sept 17, 2020 11:26:10 GMT -5
What if I told you there was growing sentiment among coaches for some non conference games to allow for a more typical selection process. If that happened, would you predict BYU making it in? What about SC? I'll own my bias here; I want SC to make it but I concede it might be tough for Keller with some holes on that roster. I’m having the same opinion of those coaches, then. I’m super intrigued to see how non conference matches would play out, and it would make the tournament selection process almost assuredly more legitimate. I’m wondering if we will see something like 26 AQ’s and 22 at-larges it certain conferences don’t play? I’m worried for pretty much every western team. Who is relatively close to BYU that they can get scheduled? BYU has a lot of historical precedence as an RPI gem to schedule, so that could help. If I’m USC, I’m desperate to schedule Cal Poly and San Diego. I think it’s going to be much tougher for Western teams. Would we really see croas country non conference competition? Maybe depends on who has the budget? What in the heck is going to happen with Hawaii? I also think the unbalanced scheduling in the Pac-12 and Big Ten is going to be a bigger deal than ever before. When it was the difference between mediocre Illinois or Cal teams getting in, it mattered, but only a little bit. When it affects if USC, Oregon, and Michigan make the tournament? That's a much bigger deal.
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 17, 2020 12:52:04 GMT -5
I’m having the same opinion of those coaches, then. I’m super intrigued to see how non conference matches would play out, and it would make the tournament selection process almost assuredly more legitimate. I’m wondering if we will see something like 26 AQ’s and 22 at-larges it certain conferences don’t play? I’m worried for pretty much every western team. Who is relatively close to BYU that they can get scheduled? BYU has a lot of historical precedence as an RPI gem to schedule, so that could help. If I’m USC, I’m desperate to schedule Cal Poly and San Diego. I think it’s going to be much tougher for Western teams. Would we really see croas country non conference competition? Maybe depends on who has the budget? What in the heck is going to happen with Hawaii? I also think the unbalanced scheduling in the Pac-12 and Big Ten is going to be a bigger deal than ever before. When it was the difference between mediocre Illinois or Cal teams getting in, it mattered, but only a little bit. When it affects if USC, Oregon, and Michigan make the tournament? That's a much bigger deal. Curious. If conference allocation is unlikely for at large. Will they try and continue to use RPI? Are they talking about NCAA Basketball to have a smaller tournament (I am assuming no). Basketball needs nonconference to make the tournament seeding work. Proper tournament seeding is needed to make the tournament work. And the Men's basketball tournament this year is critical for the NCAA and University finances. The Women's Volleyball tournament is not critical - therefore I wouldn't necessarily count on VB nonconference and tournament to mirror what is going on with MBB.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 12:56:37 GMT -5
I also think the unbalanced scheduling in the Pac-12 and Big Ten is going to be a bigger deal than ever before. When it was the difference between mediocre Illinois or Cal teams getting in, it mattered, but only a little bit. When it affects if USC, Oregon, and Michigan make the tournament? That's a much bigger deal. Curious. If conference allocation is unlikely for at large. Will they try and continue to use RPI? Are they talking about NCAA Basketball to have a smaller tournament (I am assuming no). Basketball needs nonconference to make the tournament seeding work. Proper tournament seeding is needed to make the tournament work. And the Men's basketball tournament this year is critical for the NCAA and University finances. The Women's Volleyball tournament is not critical - therefore I wouldn't necessarily count on VB nonconference and tournament to mirror what is going on with MBB. Basketball isn’t technically a fall sport. That’s how they’ll justify keeping it the same.
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Post by n00b on Sept 17, 2020 13:02:03 GMT -5
Curious. If conference allocation is unlikely for at large. Will they try and continue to use RPI? Are they talking about NCAA Basketball to have a smaller tournament (I am assuming no). Basketball needs nonconference to make the tournament seeding work. Proper tournament seeding is needed to make the tournament work. And the Men's basketball tournament this year is critical for the NCAA and University finances. The Women's Volleyball tournament is not critical - therefore I wouldn't necessarily count on VB nonconference and tournament to mirror what is going on with MBB. Basketball isn’t technically a fall sport. That’s how they’ll justify keeping it the same. It also turns a massive profit. Even if fans aren't allowed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 13:52:33 GMT -5
More than playing on a Sunday, I think having a 48-team tournament over only 10-12 days is the bigger question? Anybody know what that’s supposed to look like? Is the entire thing going to be in one city? The 48-team tournament was my head-scratcher. If I make proper assumptions you would have the 16 seeded teams with a bye into the 2nd round (round of 32) and the other 32 teams playing in the first round (What would typically be the round of 64). Why not just keep the 64 team format if you aren't reducing the number of rounds of the tournament? At least until there is some certainty over the number of conferences actually playing. We have no idea if all conferences will participate yet. The virus will help determine that.
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 17, 2020 14:38:32 GMT -5
More than playing on a Sunday, I think having a 48-team tournament over only 10-12 days is the bigger question? Anybody know what that’s supposed to look like? Is the entire thing going to be in one city? The 48-team tournament was my head-scratcher. If I make proper assumptions you would have the 16 seeded teams with a bye into the 2nd round (round of 32) and the other 32 teams playing in the first round (What would typically be the round of 64). Why not just keep the 64 team format if you aren't reducing the number of rounds of the tournament? At least until there is some certainty over the number of conferences actually playing. We have no idea if all conferences will participate yet. The virus will help determine that. Sounds like cost savings because there isn't another logical explanation. If they were doing it for COVID reasons, they would have a much smaller tournament that was at one site for one weekend.
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 17, 2020 15:32:39 GMT -5
The 48-team tournament was my head-scratcher. If I make proper assumptions you would have the 16 seeded teams with a bye into the 2nd round (round of 32) and the other 32 teams playing in the first round (What would typically be the round of 64). Why not just keep the 64 team format if you aren't reducing the number of rounds of the tournament? At least until there is some certainty over the number of conferences actually playing. We have no idea if all conferences will participate yet. The virus will help determine that. Sounds like cost savings because there isn't another logical explanation. If they were doing it for COVID reasons, they would have a much smaller tournament that was at one site for one weekend. That doesn't make sense. Using 2017 as an example (because I have it), which of the last 16 at-large teams would not travel because of budget concerns? Colorado Purdue Illinois Michigan Oregon State Miami Missouri Hawaii Washington State High Point Northern Iowa LSU Charleston NC State Notre Dame Florida State
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Post by n00b on Sept 17, 2020 16:18:26 GMT -5
Sounds like cost savings because there isn't another logical explanation. If they were doing it for COVID reasons, they would have a much smaller tournament that was at one site for one weekend. That doesn't make sense. Using 2017 as an example (because I have it), which of the last 16 at-large teams would not travel because of budget concerns? Colorado Purdue Illinois Michigan Oregon State Miami Missouri Hawaii Washington State High Point Northern Iowa LSU Charleston NC State Notre Dame Florida State The NCAA pays for all travel for the NCAA tournament, not the schools themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 16:30:06 GMT -5
The 48-team tournament was my head-scratcher. If I make proper assumptions you would have the 16 seeded teams with a bye into the 2nd round (round of 32) and the other 32 teams playing in the first round (What would typically be the round of 64). Why not just keep the 64 team format if you aren't reducing the number of rounds of the tournament? At least until there is some certainty over the number of conferences actually playing. We have no idea if all conferences will participate yet. The virus will help determine that. Sounds like cost savings because there isn't another logical explanation. If they were doing it for COVID reasons, they would have a much smaller tournament that was at one site for one weekend. I don’t get the idea that if something doesn’t cause a significant risk reduction, then we should just take the full risk. Reducing from 100% to 95%, is still a reduction in risk. They can say they did something more than nothing.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Sept 17, 2020 16:36:50 GMT -5
So it looks like January is the start month?
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 17, 2020 16:37:01 GMT -5
That doesn't make sense. Using 2017 as an example (because I have it), which of the last 16 at-large teams would not travel because of budget concerns? Colorado Purdue Illinois Michigan Oregon State Miami Missouri Hawaii Washington State High Point Northern Iowa LSU Charleston NC State Notre Dame Florida State The NCAA pays for all travel for the NCAA tournament, not the schools themselves. The stated goal is to pay for most (but not all) rounds of all NCAA tourneys so that teams are not discouraged from participating. Do you know what REALLY discourages a team from participating? Not getting an invitation. It's an odd year. They could localize the pods even more. Having 1 additional match the first night and 4 teams instead of 3 is surely not insurmountable. They could also ask the last 16 at large teams (or all 32 at large teams) if they are willing to pay some of the travel costs just for this strange year.
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Post by n00b on Sept 17, 2020 16:40:00 GMT -5
The NCAA pays for all travel for the NCAA tournament, not the schools themselves. The stated goal is to pay for most (but not all) rounds of all NCAA tourneys so that teams are not discouraged from participating. Do you know what REALLY discourages a team from participating? Not getting an invitation. It's an odd year. They could localize the pods even more. Having 1 additional match the first night and 4 teams instead of 3 is surely not insurmountable. They could also ask the last 16 at large teams (or all 32 at large teams) if they are willing to pay some of the travel costs just for this strange year. They could ask teams to pay their own way. But they won’t. Basically that’s all the NCAA spends money on. Running tournaments and paying staff. I don’t think having a pay-your-own way tournament would ever be on the table.
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