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Post by gtrich on Jul 14, 2021 11:24:26 GMT -5
This is where the smaller universe of boys volleyball has an advantage. USAV can send scouts or they can watch baller TV from a handful of regional/major tournaments and see the vast majority of the boys that would participate in the NTDP program. For the girls side, there are just soooooooo many more of them out there to scout. To me, it's an almost impossible task to try to go out and see all of them at every small tournament that runs in 100 different cities every weekend. That's where the pre-tournament tryouts had an advantage on the girls side. Unfortunately, that system had major issues as well.
Maybe the answer is to have USAV get University Athlete to add a "I want to be in the NTDP program" checkbox to the free player profile. Since NTDP is piggybacking on UA for their evaluations, it might help the NTDP scouts find and evaluate those girls that don't go to every major tournament or play on a huge club team. Even then, with the shear number of girls in volleyball, the odds of getting one of the 150 or so NTDP/HP slots is incredibly slim. You would have better odds making your regional HP team and using that as a platform to try and be seen by NTDP.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jul 14, 2021 14:06:56 GMT -5
First of all, congratulations with the success your team had at the Regional qualifier. Those were clubs with a well known pedigree that you guys defeated. I personally hated the "tryout" method. You had a bunch of evaluators and no consistency of evaluation. In Minnesota the whole process was always a bit of a mess and we saw girls that were evaluated on week 1 getting higher scores than girls that were stronger at that position and went to the week 2 evaluation. I don't think coaches should be expected to go to regional qualifiers to see if there is potential talent but I also don't know how to make sure girls don't slip through the cracks. Probably by attending other big name tournaments. That's where the coaches are. Looks like that team didn't play in very many strong tournaments. A few good wins, but not enough to turn heads, and none at major events. I 100% agree, I just didn't want to be that guy who says you gotta go where the action is. I get that some people have a bias against Big Clubs and the Qualifier circuit.
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Post by Bud Kilmer on Jul 14, 2021 14:26:26 GMT -5
First of all, congratulations with the success your team had at the Regional qualifier. Those were clubs with a well known pedigree that you guys defeated. I personally hated the "tryout" method. You had a bunch of evaluators and no consistency of evaluation. In Minnesota the whole process was always a bit of a mess and we saw girls that were evaluated on week 1 getting higher scores than girls that were stronger at that position and went to the week 2 evaluation. I don't think coaches should be expected to go to regional qualifiers to see if there is potential talent but I also don't know how to make sure girls don't slip through the cracks. Probably by attending other big name tournaments. That's where the coaches are. Looks like that team didn't play in very many strong tournaments. A few good wins, but not enough to turn heads, and none at major events. Our team? We played NEQ's in Orlando, Philly and Dallas. We were also on the Tour of Texas circuit. The issue with that is, the last stop of the tour was after the regional tournament in which our bid was earned and it was learned our setter had been playing on a broken foot. She sat out the last stop on the tour when we played TAV Black from Dallas and Dallas Skyline. It was tough to overcome and at that point the Tour of Texas meant nothing. To your point though, we definitely learned a lesson in scheduling in open vs usa or american. I think the club was expected to do well but mgmt was not sure how well and held back on playing full open. Next year that will be a different story. Final rankings in Lone Star Lone Star Final Rankings
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Post by eazy on Jul 14, 2021 14:33:29 GMT -5
Probably by attending other big name tournaments. That's where the coaches are. Looks like that team didn't play in very many strong tournaments. A few good wins, but not enough to turn heads, and none at major events. I 100% agree, I just didn't want to be that guy who says you gotta go where the action is. I get that some people have a bias against Big Clubs and the Qualifier circuit. I agree. I don't know how they're doing the scouting exactly. If it's 100% in person and they're only going to major events (which I wouldn't blame them for) then that is certainly unfortunate. If you're not going to play in the bigger events, then hopefully you're able to send in film or something so that the great players on smaller teams don't get missed.
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Post by Bud Kilmer on Jul 14, 2021 14:35:17 GMT -5
responded to your response after you responded...finished 2nd twice and 5th in those NEQ's btw Thoughts on link below on the setter highlights? She was the one injured when playing TAV Dallas and Dallas Skyline Lone star highlights
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Post by eazy on Jul 14, 2021 14:40:46 GMT -5
responded to your response after you responded...finished 2nd twice and 5th in those NEQ's btw Yeah, I just looked for Open level qualifiers or something equivalent like a Triple Crown or Central Zone. That's where you'll get the opportunity to beat the top Open teams and with everyone watching. Tour of Texas seems great, just not sure how many 'scouts' go there since it isn't a national type event, even if the quality of players is national level.
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Post by Bud Kilmer on Jul 15, 2021 13:09:22 GMT -5
responded to your response after you responded...finished 2nd twice and 5th in those NEQ's btw Yeah, I just looked for Open level qualifiers or something equivalent like a Triple Crown or Central Zone. That's where you'll get the opportunity to beat the top Open teams and with everyone watching. Tour of Texas seems great, just not sure how many 'scouts' go there since it isn't a national type event, even if the quality of players is national level. Yeah the Tour is not heavily recruited anymore but the talent is still there. MadFrogs dropped the tour because of the way the recruiting calendar falls for d1 coaches.
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Post by BigTenVball on Jul 15, 2021 16:54:10 GMT -5
WHEN the entire NDTP system is in place, lots of these issues will go away. Realize I am not defending or supporting it, but have a vested interest, AND have been in on all the meetings so far as an RVA person. The pipeline will work like this. The USA will hold Regional Camps 3-4 times per year, usually 2 days long, around the country. To get to that camp, you have to be A) Seen by an NDTP scout B) put up by a region advisor Then, from those camps, you get evaluations and selected athletes will be sent to National Dev camps, 4-5 days long, held 1-2 times a year. From there, our representative teams are chosen as well. This year was obviously tough because 1) no in-person scouts and 2) no regional camps. Again, I am not defending or critiquing the system, just passing along the nuts and bolts of the system. (FYI, this was brought in by Peter Vint, and we are modeling it after the USA Hockey program, just for some background info) And yes, there are some good things involved (reduces "evaluators" making calls at 12 different sites all over the country) and shows kids in a camp, rather than a 4 hour tryout they also are going to struggle to find facilities, and holding camps at different times in the year will conflict with other sports as well.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jul 15, 2021 22:42:32 GMT -5
WHEN the entire NDTP system is in place, lots of these issues will go away. Realize I am not defending or supporting it, but have a vested interest, AND have been in on all the meetings so far as an RVA person. The pipeline will work like this. The USA will hold Regional Camps 3-4 times per year, usually 2 days long, around the country. To get to that camp, you have to be A) Seen by an NDTP scout B) put up by a region advisor Then, from those camps, you get evaluations and selected athletes will be sent to National Dev camps, 4-5 days long, held 1-2 times a year. From there, our representative teams are chosen as well. This year was obviously tough because 1) no in-person scouts and 2) no regional camps. Again, I am not defending or critiquing the system, just passing along the nuts and bolts of the system. (FYI, this was brought in by Peter Vint, and we are modeling it after the USA Hockey program, just for some background info) And yes, there are some good things involved (reduces "evaluators" making calls at 12 different sites all over the country) and shows kids in a camp, rather than a 4 hour tryout they also are going to struggle to find facilities, and holding camps at different times in the year will conflict with other sports as well. Thank you for the overview. It really helped alter my perception of the upcoming camp.
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2021 HP?
Jul 16, 2021 8:41:09 GMT -5
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Post by fatandfurious on Jul 16, 2021 8:41:09 GMT -5
WHEN the entire NDTP system is in place, lots of these issues will go away. Realize I am not defending or supporting it, but have a vested interest, AND have been in on all the meetings so far as an RVA person. The pipeline will work like this. The USA will hold Regional Camps 3-4 times per year, usually 2 days long, around the country. To get to that camp, you have to be A) Seen by an NDTP scout B) put up by a region advisor Then, from those camps, you get evaluations and selected athletes will be sent to National Dev camps, 4-5 days long, held 1-2 times a year. From there, our representative teams are chosen as well. This year was obviously tough because 1) no in-person scouts and 2) no regional camps. Again, I am not defending or critiquing the system, just passing along the nuts and bolts of the system. (FYI, this was brought in by Peter Vint, and we are modeling it after the USA Hockey program, just for some background info) And yes, there are some good things involved (reduces "evaluators" making calls at 12 different sites all over the country) and shows kids in a camp, rather than a 4 hour tryout they also are going to struggle to find facilities, and holding camps at different times in the year will conflict with other sports as well. Can you offer any new insight into how the national training teams and the NTDP participants were selected this year?
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2021 HP?
Jul 17, 2021 21:17:19 GMT -5
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Post by gtrich on Jul 17, 2021 21:17:19 GMT -5
We stopped into the facility today to take a look and I’m not sure what I was expecting, but I left feeling underwhelmed. In my mind I was thinking this was going to be a fancy volleyball building that hosts the US National team. It’s basically a big YMCA gym. Maybe it will look completely different on Monday when it doesn’t have 20 basketball courts setup with nets in between them. I’ll be interested to see what other attendees think when they see it. For parents thinking about going and watching, the UVAV rules say you can’t be on the wood floor. Having walked around there today, other than about a 10’ walkway around the perimeter of the courts, there isn’t a lot of space that isn’t wood floor. Maybe they’ll move the small portable bleachers onto the walkway and that’s where parents will sit.
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2021 HP?
Jul 17, 2021 22:20:21 GMT -5
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Post by Friday on Jul 17, 2021 22:20:21 GMT -5
WHEN the entire NDTP system is in place, lots of these issues will go away. Realize I am not defending or supporting it, but have a vested interest, AND have been in on all the meetings so far as an RVA person. The pipeline will work like this. The USA will hold Regional Camps 3-4 times per year, usually 2 days long, around the country. To get to that camp, you have to be A) Seen by an NDTP scout B) put up by a region advisor Then, from those camps, you get evaluations and selected athletes will be sent to National Dev camps, 4-5 days long, held 1-2 times a year. From there, our representative teams are chosen as well. This year was obviously tough because 1) no in-person scouts and 2) no regional camps. Again, I am not defending or critiquing the system, just passing along the nuts and bolts of the system. (FYI, this was brought in by Peter Vint, and we are modeling it after the USA Hockey program, just for some background info) And yes, there are some good things involved (reduces "evaluators" making calls at 12 different sites all over the country) and shows kids in a camp, rather than a 4 hour tryout they also are going to struggle to find facilities, and holding camps at different times in the year will conflict with other sports as well. I hope it does improve the system long term. Based on what we have seen thus far though lots of head scratching. Looking at the lists today, hardly any Great Lakes region which just seems hard to believe. My only thought is were the Illinois kids in school season when many of the big tourney assessments were done? Being very familiar with Midwest players, just can’t believe some were left off especially after seeing some that were taken. Hope they had a conflict and turned down opportunity or will be considered for future opportunities.
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Jul 18, 2021 8:01:23 GMT -5
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Post by rrvbfan on Jul 18, 2021 8:01:23 GMT -5
WHEN the entire NDTP system is in place, lots of these issues will go away. Realize I am not defending or supporting it, but have a vested interest, AND have been in on all the meetings so far as an RVA person. The pipeline will work like this. The USA will hold Regional Camps 3-4 times per year, usually 2 days long, around the country. To get to that camp, you have to be A) Seen by an NDTP scout B) put up by a region advisor Then, from those camps, you get evaluations and selected athletes will be sent to National Dev camps, 4-5 days long, held 1-2 times a year. From there, our representative teams are chosen as well. This year was obviously tough because 1) no in-person scouts and 2) no regional camps. Again, I am not defending or critiquing the system, just passing along the nuts and bolts of the system. (FYI, this was brought in by Peter Vint, and we are modeling it after the USA Hockey program, just for some background info) And yes, there are some good things involved (reduces "evaluators" making calls at 12 different sites all over the country) and shows kids in a camp, rather than a 4 hour tryout they also are going to struggle to find facilities, and holding camps at different times in the year will conflict with other sports as well. I hope it does improve the system long term. Based on what we have seen thus far though lots of head scratching. Looking at the lists today, hardly any Great Lakes region which just seems hard to believe. My only thought is we’re the Illinois kids in school season when many of the big tourney assessments were done? Being very familiar with Midwest players, just can’t believe some were left off especially after seeing some that were taken. Hope they had a conflict and turned down opportunity or will be considered for future opportunities. I also noted that every girl from the 2020/covid season roster is also named to this roster. There are 4 additional. Just wondering if it had been a different first year of this selection process if the roster would have looked different. ?? And like you said, some teams were still playing their high school season.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jul 18, 2021 12:05:04 GMT -5
We stopped into the facility today to take a look and I’m not sure what I was expecting, but I left feeling underwhelmed. In my mind I was thinking this was going to be a fancy volleyball building that hosts the US National team. It’s basically a big YMCA gym. Maybe it will look completely different on Monday when it doesn’t have 20 basketball courts setup with nets in between them. I’ll be interested to see what other attendees think when they see it. For parents thinking about going and watching, the UVAV rules say you can’t be on the wood floor. Having walked around there today, other than about a 10’ walkway around the perimeter of the courts, there isn’t a lot of space that isn’t wood floor. Maybe they’ll move the small portable bleachers onto the walkway and that’s where parents will sit. Thanks for the warning. I’ll temper my expectations. 😄
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Jul 19, 2021 21:20:13 GMT -5
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Post by gtrich on Jul 19, 2021 21:20:13 GMT -5
We stopped into the facility today to take a look and I’m not sure what I was expecting, but I left feeling underwhelmed. In my mind I was thinking this was going to be a fancy volleyball building that hosts the US National team. It’s basically a big YMCA gym. Maybe it will look completely different on Monday when it doesn’t have 20 basketball courts setup with nets in between them. I’ll be interested to see what other attendees think when they see it. For parents thinking about going and watching, the UVAV rules say you can’t be on the wood floor. Having walked around there today, other than about a 10’ walkway around the perimeter of the courts, there isn’t a lot of space that isn’t wood floor. Maybe they’ll move the small portable bleachers onto the walkway and that’s where parents will sit. Thanks for the warning. I’ll temper my expectations. 😄 What did your daughter think of the food last night and today? I’m sure there are some teenage boys that like steamed chicken breast on top of steamed broccoli/carrots/cauliflower or cold tuna fish on top of pasta salad, by my son and his friends aren’t one of them. I can’t imagine how much food was thrown away on the boys side after dinner last night and lunch this afternoon. I’m going to need to invest in Uber eats and McDonalds after this week.
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