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Post by robtearle on Sept 27, 2021 23:52:08 GMT -5
So educate me. I'm trying to understand the decision to switch Barnes and Civita. They're both great, and I don't have any particular problem with the decision, I'm just curious about why, and why now? (And when something has a "first" and a "second" and a "third", by definition that is a "rating".) Cevita has better; SR numbers, both percentage and RE’s per set, serving ace to error, : And shef likes her court awareness and readimg abilities RE: serving ace to error - a libero doesn't have any more opportunity to serve than a DS; each gets one turn at the line per full rotation. So I don't see how that makes a difference. (With the possible exception of when they run out of subs at the end of a back-and-forth set.) As for serve receive numbers - I like stats as much as the next guy; I was a math major - but they have to be viewed in context. For example, when a DS is on the court and part of serve receive, she is there for three rotations and always has the libero next to her 'sharing the load'; the libero is back there for all six rotations and may be doing so with six-rotation outsides next to her. When Civita is DS, she always has Barnes next to her, but Barnes doesn't always have Civita. (And at least at the moment, Boyer has the best serve receive percent of the three, so...) With numbers as close as they are for the three of them, the context of "who else was on the floor at the time" could easily make all the difference.
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Post by dodger on Sept 28, 2021 1:03:03 GMT -5
Cevita has better; SR numbers, both percentage and RE’s per set, serving ace to error, : And shef likes her court awareness and readimg abilities RE: serving ace to error - a libero doesn't have any more opportunity to serve than a DS; each gets one turn at the line per full rotation. So I don't see how that makes a difference. (With the possible exception of when they run out of subs at the end of a back-and-forth set.) As for serve receive numbers - I like stats as much as the next guy; I was a math major - but they have to be viewed in context. For example, when a DS is on the court and part of serve receive, she is there for three rotations and always has the libero next to her 'sharing the load'; the libero is back there for all six rotations and may be doing so with six-rotation outsides next to her. When Civita is DS, she always has Barnes next to her, but Barnes doesn't always have Civita. (And at least at the moment, Boyer has the best serve receive percent of the three, so...) With numbers as close as they are for the three of them, the context of "who else was on the floor at the time" could easily make all the difference. Serving yes they have same opportunities: but if one has decent ace ratio with lower service errors the team may score more points when she’s serving. +1 for cervita: Serve receive: who’s next to you irrelevant: score pass when they pass: and when one lib.’s the other DS’s: so they are out there at least three times together: you asked why; you like both: coaches stat practice to see if what they see and think has statistical validity! And i showed you there stats for season thus far: numbers plus Sheffield's comments about reading court would all point too why there might have been a switch: and when i give you possibility you debate? So are you a Barnes fan and wish they didnt change??? I am sure they look for the right solution every day!!!
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Post by robtearle on Sept 28, 2021 1:23:23 GMT -5
RE: serving ace to error - a libero doesn't have any more opportunity to serve than a DS; each gets one turn at the line per full rotation. So I don't see how that makes a difference. (With the possible exception of when they run out of subs at the end of a back-and-forth set.) As for serve receive numbers - I like stats as much as the next guy; I was a math major - but they have to be viewed in context. For example, when a DS is on the court and part of serve receive, she is there for three rotations and always has the libero next to her 'sharing the load'; the libero is back there for all six rotations and may be doing so with six-rotation outsides next to her. When Civita is DS, she always has Barnes next to her, but Barnes doesn't always have Civita. (And at least at the moment, Boyer has the best serve receive percent of the three, so...) With numbers as close as they are for the three of them, the context of "who else was on the floor at the time" could easily make all the difference. Serving yes they have same opportunities: but if one has decent ace ratio with lower service errors the team may score more points when she’s serving. +1 for cervita: Serve receive: who’s next to you irrelevant: score pass when they pass: and when one lib.’s the other DS’s: so they are out there at least three times together: you asked why; you like both: coaches stat practice to see if what they see and think has statistical validity! And i showed you there stats for season thus far: numbers plus Sheffield's comments about reading court would all point too why there might have been a switch: and when i give you possibility you debate? So are you a Barnes fan and wish they didnt change??? I am sure they look for the right solution every day!!! Serving - I'd find side out percents way more persuasive (though those are also going to be influenced by who else is on the floor). Do you know those for Barnes, Civita, and Boyer? I wish they were as readily available as ace stats, etc. And again, that has nothing to do with libero vs DS; each gets one turn per full six position rotation. "Who's next to you is irrelevant"?!? Yeah, no. That is obviously not the case. When one has to cover for, say, Loberg while the other doesn't, it obviously matters. THe problem more generally with volleyball stats for me is that they are trying to quantify a discreet element of a game that is very highly integrated; everything affects everything. Rettke hitting .500 or whatever is of course a great deal to do with Rettke's ability. But it is also affected by who is doing the setting and how well she can set; if it were me doing the setting, for a silly example, Rettke would be hitting somewhat less than .500. :-) So if Sheffield deciding to make the switch is a "gut feeling" about some unquantifiable aspect like how they "see the floor", etc, so be it. But I wonder about it nonetheless. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 28, 2021 4:29:34 GMT -5
What’s the story with Demps? I thought from what I saw during the tournament last spring she’d have an impact this fall/moving forward. As much as anything else, COVID has made for a "crowded" team and lineup; if Dana and Loberg had gone on as "scheduled", Demps would be on the floor somewhere. IMO, anyway. Yeah, with the original lineup, the Badgers had their deepest and most talented group of pin hitters ever, so that makes it crowded. I am really excited for the upside of the younger players, and I have a feeling Loberg is about due for a huge night against someone.
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Post by mad1 on Sept 28, 2021 10:57:05 GMT -5
I don't know if many people look at these stats but they are pretty interesting. Nebraska and Minnesota are surprisingly low in several areas. Wisconsin fairly low in blocking. bigten.org/stats.aspx?path=wvball&year=2021
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 28, 2021 11:26:43 GMT -5
I don't know if many people look at these stats but they are pretty interesting. Nebraska and Minnesota are surprisingly low in several areas. Wisconsin fairly low in blocking. bigten.org/stats.aspx?path=wvball&year=2021When you side out at 80% (or at least were), your blocks per set may be a bit lower.
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 29, 2021 13:35:16 GMT -5
Not 2021 related, I know, but the Badger community has been so important to Molly that I thought I'd share here too: http://instagr.am/p/CUals19rqIZ She really gave everything she had to the sport, body and mind. Even as a collegiate player she carried herself like a pro. Best of luck to Molly in all her future endeavors! So sad she hurt as much as she did. I went back and watched 2016 highlights and she was and is a stud. Holy cow.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Sept 29, 2021 14:20:55 GMT -5
Not 2021 related, I know, but the Badger community has been so important to Molly that I thought I'd share here too: http://instagr.am/p/CUals19rqIZ She really gave everything she had to the sport, body and mind. Even as a collegiate player she carried herself like a pro. Best of luck to Molly in all her future endeavors! So happy we got to see her and she got to hear us cheer for her for the time she was here. She belongs among Badger Legends. Still very sad to hear she couldn't truly have the professional experience or that she lives with so much pain.
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 29, 2021 19:12:21 GMT -5
#23 retires at 23.
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Sept 29, 2021 20:29:00 GMT -5
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 30, 2021 23:39:18 GMT -5
Not 2021 related, I know, but the Badger community has been so important to Molly that I thought I'd share here too: http://instagr.am/p/CUals19rqIZ She really gave everything she had to the sport, body and mind. Even as a collegiate player she carried herself like a pro. Best of luck to Molly in all her future endeavors! Molly is a legend.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 30, 2021 23:39:32 GMT -5
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Post by ndodge on Oct 1, 2021 21:49:59 GMT -5
Civita hopping pretty gingerly over to sing varsity and back, getting hugs from players and coaches along the way - sure hope it isn’t serious again
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Oct 1, 2021 22:17:30 GMT -5
Badgers looked to rebound pretty well from last Friday. I think we should be rewarded with at least one BINGO this weekend. Thank you and goodnight.
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Post by robtearle on Oct 1, 2021 22:23:39 GMT -5
Civita hopping pretty gingerly over to sing varsity and back, getting hugs from players and coaches along the way - sure hope it isn’t serious again This is getting to be beer league softball: Civita can't make it tonight - baby sitting. So Barnsey, you wanna catch? OK. Jade, you OK with right field? And then Jardine, you're the rover tonight. Great win, but geez! Enough already! (A very pregnant Tionna Williams in the crowd tonight. Congrats to T!)
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