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Post by vergyltantor on Jun 5, 2021 22:28:48 GMT -5
umm
I don't think you know what passing is...
Damn Huskers really suck at blocking serve
Don't tell me I can't block a serve anymore. Libero? Never heard of her.
Reminds me of playing volleyball with really tall people who have never played volleyball before.
Oh! I see your points. I forgot that the point ends after the serve receive.
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Post by badgerbreath on Jun 5, 2021 22:42:48 GMT -5
umm I don't think you know what passing is... Damn Huskers really suck at blocking serve Don't tell me I can't block a serve anymore. Libero? Never heard of her. Reminds me of playing volleyball with really tall people who have never played volleyball before. Oh! I see your points. I forgot that the point ends after the serve receive. They are differentiating between passing serves and digging attacks. You are talking about digging and defense, not passing. I understood what you meant, but I gather it was the first touch on opponents serve that Cook wasn't happy with, so block won't help much obviously. |
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Post by vergyltantor on Jun 5, 2021 23:24:38 GMT -5
umm I don't think you know what passing is... Damn Huskers really suck at blocking serve Don't tell me I can't block a serve anymore. Libero? Never heard of her. Reminds me of playing volleyball with really tall people who have never played volleyball before. Oh! I see your points. I forgot that the point ends after the serve receive. They are differentiating between passing serves and digging attacks. You are talking about digging and defense, not passing. I understood what you meant, but I gather it was the first touch on opponents serve that Cook wasn't happy with, so block won't help much obviously. A great dig of a laser shot to the back row that ends in a perfect pass to the setter is one of the plays that will get me to jump out of my seat.
On the other hand, when I see great hitters like Logan Eggleston able to hit over the top of the block giving her sideline to sideline as open court I think, how is the back row supposed to defend that.
I think that Nebraska needs a lot of work on passing, my only point was that they could get more help from the blockers mid-point.
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Post by jwvolley on Jun 5, 2021 23:41:35 GMT -5
They are differentiating between passing serves and digging attacks. You are talking about digging and defense, not passing. I understood what you meant, but I gather it was the first touch on opponents serve that Cook wasn't happy with, so block won't help much obviously. A great dig of a laser shot to the back row that ends in a perfect pass to the setter is one of the plays that will get me to jump out of my seat.
On the other hand, when I see great hitters like Logan Eggleston able to hit over the top of the block giving her sideline to sideline as open court I think, how is the back row supposed to defend that.
I think that Nebraska needs a lot of work on passing, my only point was that they could get more help from the blockers mid-point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 9:59:40 GMT -5
The passing game could be helped by better blocking up front. I don't think you know what passing is... Stupid traditional volleyball terminology is stupid.
When a free ball comes over, and a backrow player makes contact with it using their forearms to send it to the setter, they call that "a defense".
Likewise, teammates would say "that was a great defense you had on that play!" 🙄🙄
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Post by vergyltantor on Jun 6, 2021 10:51:09 GMT -5
I don't think you know what passing is... Stupid traditional volleyball terminology is stupid.
When a free ball comes over, and a backrow player makes contact with it using their forearms to send it to the setter, they call that "a defense".
Likewise, teammates would say "that was a great defense you had on that play!" 🙄🙄
Apparently my mistake was that if the ball crosses net after a serve and the back row player contacts the ball sending a settable ball to the setter in position, that is a pass. But if the ball crosses net any other time and the back row player contacts the ball sending a settable ball to the setter in position, that is a dig or defense. To me, they will always be a reception and pass or a dig and pass, I will just avoid using this terminology in the future to avoid confusion/ridicule. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 11:00:58 GMT -5
Right.
My point was, no one ever says "ooo, that was a good defense you did just then". You say "ooo, that was a nice pass!", regardless if it was on a serve or a hit.
Just silly.
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Post by vergyltantor on Jun 6, 2021 11:07:35 GMT -5
Right. My point was, no one ever says "ooo, that was a good defense you did just then". You say "ooo, that was a nice pass!", regardless if it was on a serve or a hit. Just silly. Agreed. |
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Post by jwvolley on Jun 6, 2021 11:15:41 GMT -5
My point was, no one ever says "ooo, that was a good defense Well for starters, no native English speaker would say "a" defense like that. So you're already off the rails. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 11:15:42 GMT -5
I don't think you know what passing is... Stupid traditional volleyball terminology is stupid.
When a free ball comes over, and a backrow player makes contact with it using their forearms to send it to the setter, they call that "a defense".
Likewise, teammates would say "that was a great defense you had on that play!" 🙄🙄
It is a free ball. If you say "ooo nice free ball" then your standards are too low. And Cook wants better passing. If he wanted better location on digs he'd say "I'd like to see us digging to target" or "we need more in system swings in transition". That is why we have terminology. So players, fans, media know what he means. If you confuse passing and digging the meaning gets lost too. So no, the terminology isn't stupid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 11:21:14 GMT -5
Stupid traditional volleyball terminology is stupid.
When a free ball comes over, and a backrow player makes contact with it using their forearms to send it to the setter, they call that "a defense".
Likewise, teammates would say "that was a great defense you had on that play!" 🙄🙄
It is a free ball. If you say "ooo nice free ball" then your standards are too low. And Cook wants better passing. If he wanted better location on digs he'd say "I'd like to see us digging to target" or "we need more in system swings in transition". That is why we have terminology. So players, fans, media know what he means. If you confuse passing and digging the meaning gets lost too. So no, the terminology isn't stupid. Dishonest argument. Now you're trying to use very specific, technical terminology that is specific to (high level) strategies of the game. Of course such terminology is justified.
I don't even necessarily care that there are two separate, general terms to refer to receiving a serve and playing the opponent's attack.
I'm saying it's silly to call one of those "passing" and the other something else, and get all uppity and snooty when someone makes the sin of using the term "passing" for the other one.
Just stupid silly, and I hope somehow it changes.
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Post by notwvb on Jun 6, 2021 11:32:33 GMT -5
And Cook wants better passing. If he wanted better location on digs he'd say "I'd like to see us digging to target" or "we need more in system swings in transition". I've come to think that a difficult dig to target is the most amazing touch in volleyball. Don't know how they do it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 11:34:46 GMT -5
It is a free ball. If you say "ooo nice free ball" then your standards are too low. And Cook wants better passing. If he wanted better location on digs he'd say "I'd like to see us digging to target" or "we need more in system swings in transition". That is why we have terminology. So players, fans, media know what he means. If you confuse passing and digging the meaning gets lost too. So no, the terminology isn't stupid. Dishonest argument. Now you're trying to use very specific, technical terminology that is specific to (high level) strategies of the game. Of course such terminology is justified.
I don't even necessarily care that there are two separate, general terms to refer to receiving a serve and playing the opponent's attack.
I'm saying it's silly to call one of those "passing" and the other something else, and get all uppity and snooty when someone makes the sin of using the term "passing" for the other one.
Just stupid silly, and I hope somehow it changes.
It isn't silly. Passing and digging (that is the 'other' word btw - when someone makes a great dig, I say "great dig" not "great pass") are different skills that require different technique. There are many liberos that are good at one and not particularly good at the other. Kenzie Knuckles is a good example. Cook wants to improve serve receive, not floor defense. That is why he says passing. If pass just meant any first contact his meaning wouldn't have been clear. Again, that is why we use terminology. So that we have words to describe two different skills. You might not understand the need or think that it is silly but I don't expect it to change any time soon. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Jun 6, 2021 12:46:42 GMT -5
It's not the first time I've heard the word dig to mean simply keeping the ball off the floor and pass to mean any attempt to get the ball to the setter. Digging does inherently have two purposes, to stop the opponent scoring, and to deliver a settable ball. The casual fan sees those as distinct. I can understand that.
But it is one skill -- defenders are always digging to target unless they are truly desperate. An attack that results in a misplaced dig is still effective to some degree.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 13:13:31 GMT -5
It's not the first time I've heard the word dig to mean simply keeping the ball off the floor and pass to mean any attempt to get the ball to the setter. Digging does inherently have two purposes, to stop the opponent scoring, and to deliver a settable ball. The casual fan sees those as distinct. I can understand that. But it is one skill -- defenders are always digging to target unless they are truly desperate. An attack that results in a misplaced dig is still effective to some degree. It isn't even that complicated. No one watches an OH crush a bic and says "Nice serve". A pass is a pass - you pass a serve. A dig is a dig - you dig attacks. A dig might lead to an in system swing, it might lead to an OOS attack, it might result in a free ball or even be an overdig, but the location does not change the fact that it is still a dig. It doesn't magically become a pass. If a parent wants to yell "Nice pass" when their kid makes a great dig down the line, that is their choice. But to argue that the terminology is 'silly' and that the word pass should be used to describe every first contact fails to understand why we need two words to describe these two different skills. The first poster's confusion about why Cook was looking for a transfer libero is an example of why we use two different words. |
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