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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 28, 2021 11:59:19 GMT -5
Jawohl mein Kommendant. In case you can't tell, I disagree. Before you insinuate someone is acting like a Nazi, you should learn about what Nazism is. Beyond that, since you probably had no problem with giving your kiddies polio and diptheria vaccinations and that those are mandatory to attend schools in most places, what's the difference---other than your Wehraboo outlook on life? I'm just happy the right is back to recognizing Nazis as bad. My standards are low.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Apr 28, 2021 12:03:52 GMT -5
The only thought on "no standing" is to avoid having more people at court than should be there....gathering to watch another team, etc. the tripod thing is ridiculous. The only thing worse than tripods in isles at a vb event is the campsites with 4 blankets and kids sprawled out like they’re in the park...both turn isles into trip hazards... and the looks of utter disgust as anyone dares cross through these sacred and hallowed grounds are not remotely rare... FIRST OFF, I do apologize if I've ever thrown you one of those looks of disgust. The tripods are fairly visible so I can never figure out how people trip over them. SECONDLY, those aisles are HUGE between courts so I'm also baffled as to why people have to walk in front of my camera (unless it's out of spite, I do get that) THIRDLY, the blanket fort/ campground thing is the worst!
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 28, 2021 12:29:21 GMT -5
The entire qualifier/National Championship is predicated upon hopes and expectations of the players and parents. We can say all we want about tempering expectations and being realistic, but we are in the inspiring and motivating business, i.e. teaching players to reach to things that are beyond what they believe they can achieve. BUT, coaches are also dealing with the disappointment from their over-estimation of their team's abilities. When my teams played qualifiers, I always tell the parent just how unrealistic the expectations of qualifying are, just to prepare them to deal with the possibility of distraught daughters. Some times I will tell the players if I feel that they can take. The pep talk usually ends with: we are here to compete and to figure out how far we need to go to compete at this level. I have had teams that had legit chances at qualifying and I have qualified a few teams.
The reason I bring all is up is that the entire economic model of the USAV is predicated upon the unreasonable expectations of the many. Given how big the events have become, is it reasonable to say that every team has a chance to qualify? The first day decides that for half the teams. The next job sales job is selling the presence of the college coaches who are there to recruit. Most players will end up playing at levels that are different than D1, not all college divisions are represented at these national tournaments. My MO was to go to the qualifiers that are close enough for the coaches from the local schools from other divisions to make the trip. Of course there are serendipitous instances where college coaches and players from different regions make the match at a qualifier, but I don't believe that is the rule.
Finally there is the level competition sales job. The tradeoff there is that if your team is good but not great, you may get good competition from the second day on because you are playing teams that are your level. The weaker teams will not enjoy the first two days, and hopefully settle into their level during the last day, but there will necessarily be teams that finishes the tournament winless. The question is: what do they get out of it? And that is entirely up to the players and the coaches, how they can parlay the defeats into lessons to be learned etc. If I had that team I would just go and play the local tournaments. But the sales job for the competition argument is relentless from the USAV, because they are doing volume business, or else the qualifiers would be unsustainable economically.
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Post by n00b on Apr 28, 2021 12:42:49 GMT -5
The entire qualifier/National Championship is predicated upon hopes and expectations of the players and parents. We can say all we want about tempering expectations and being realistic, but we are in the inspiring and motivating business, i.e. teaching players to reach to things that are beyond what they believe they can achieve. BUT, coaches are also dealing with the disappointment from their over-estimation of their team's abilities. When my teams played qualifiers, I always tell the parent just how unrealistic the expectations of qualifying are, just to prepare them to deal with the possibility of distraught daughters. Some times I will tell the players if I feel that they can take. The pep talk usually ends with: we are here to compete and to figure out how far we need to go to compete at this level. I have had teams that had legit chances at qualifying and I have qualified a few teams. The reason I bring all is up is that the entire economic model of the USAV is predicated upon the unreasonable expectations of the many. Given how big the events have become, is it reasonable to say that every team has a chance to qualify? The first day decides that for half the teams. The next job sales job is selling the presence of the college coaches who are there to recruit. Most players will end up playing at levels that are different than D1, not all college divisions are represented at these national tournaments. My MO was to go to the qualifiers that are close enough for the coaches from the local schools from other divisions to make the trip. Of course there are serendipitous instances where college coaches and players from different regions make the match at a qualifier, but I don't believe that is the rule. Finally there is the level competition sales job. The tradeoff there is that if your team is good but not great, you may get good competition from the second day on because you are playing teams that are your level. The weaker teams will not enjoy the first two days, and hopefully settle into their level during the last day, but there will necessarily be teams that finishes the tournament winless. The question is: what do they get out of it? And that is entirely up to the players and the coaches, how they can parlay the defeats into lessons to be learned etc. If I had that team I would just go and play the local tournaments. But the sales job for the competition argument is relentless from the USAV, because they are doing volume business, or else the qualifiers would be unsustainable economically. I think you’re overselling the qualifying aspect. In my experience, players and parents both enjoy the big convention center tournaments. Plenty of teams fly to JVA Worlds or big Presidents’ Day tournaments, etc even though qualifying isn’t a selling point. Seeing teams from different parts of the country is fun and entertaining. If qualifiers were only attended by teams thinking they had a shot at qualifying, the numbers there would be much, much lower.
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 28, 2021 12:45:24 GMT -5
The entire qualifier/National Championship is predicated upon hopes and expectations of the players and parents. We can say all we want about tempering expectations and being realistic, but we are in the inspiring and motivating business, i.e. teaching players to reach to things that are beyond what they believe they can achieve. BUT, coaches are also dealing with the disappointment from their over-estimation of their team's abilities. When my teams played qualifiers, I always tell the parent just how unrealistic the expectations of qualifying are, just to prepare them to deal with the possibility of distraught daughters. Some times I will tell the players if I feel that they can take. The pep talk usually ends with: we are here to compete and to figure out how far we need to go to compete at this level. I have had teams that had legit chances at qualifying and I have qualified a few teams. The reason I bring all is up is that the entire economic model of the USAV is predicated upon the unreasonable expectations of the many. Given how big the events have become, is it reasonable to say that every team has a chance to qualify? The first day decides that for half the teams. The next job sales job is selling the presence of the college coaches who are there to recruit. Most players will end up playing at levels that are different than D1, not all college divisions are represented at these national tournaments. My MO was to go to the qualifiers that are close enough for the coaches from the local schools from other divisions to make the trip. Of course there are serendipitous instances where college coaches and players from different regions make the match at a qualifier, but I don't believe that is the rule. Finally there is the level competition sales job. The tradeoff there is that if your team is good but not great, you may get good competition from the second day on because you are playing teams that are your level. The weaker teams will not enjoy the first two days, and hopefully settle into their level during the last day, but there will necessarily be teams that finishes the tournament winless. The question is: what do they get out of it? And that is entirely up to the players and the coaches, how they can parlay the defeats into lessons to be learned etc. If I had that team I would just go and play the local tournaments. But the sales job for the competition argument is relentless from the USAV, because they are doing volume business, or else the qualifiers would be unsustainable economically. I think you’re overselling the qualifying aspect. In my experience, players and parents both enjoy the big convention center tournaments. Plenty of teams fly to JVA Worlds or big Presidents’ Day tournaments, etc even though qualifying isn’t a selling point. Seeing teams from different parts of the country is fun and entertaining. If qualifiers were only attended by teams thinking they had a shot at qualifying, the numbers there would be much, much lower. I get that, but there is a point of resistance between having that great convention center experience versus the amount of hassle you have to go through to do it. Stay and Play is one major resistance for me, the travel cost is another. Adding on the precautions for COVID is yet another one.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Apr 28, 2021 13:04:02 GMT -5
Before you insinuate someone is acting like a Nazi, you should learn about what Nazism is. Beyond that, since you probably had no problem with giving your kiddies polio and diptheria vaccinations and that those are mandatory to attend schools in most places, what's the difference---other than your Wehraboo outlook on life? I'm just happy the right is back to recognizing Nazis as bad. My standards are low. Let's not make this a right vs left thing. I was told there's a different forum for that. Don't make me pull out a yellow card for delay of game.
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Post by hookshott on Apr 28, 2021 13:24:12 GMT -5
Before you insinuate someone is acting like a Nazi, you should learn about what Nazism is. Beyond that, since you probably had no problem with giving your kiddies polio and diptheria vaccinations and that those are mandatory to attend schools in most places, what's the difference---other than your Wehraboo outlook on life? Wehraboo? - Thanks, I learned a new word today. I don't believe that vaccinations should necessarily be mandatory. Now polio and Covid are completely different situations. One polio vaccine should prevent polio over the lifetime of that person, one Covid shot means someone is "covered" for maybe a year and it sounds like another shot will be necessary. Still I don't think we should force people to do something they may not agree with, especially if that action only puts that person at risk i.e. contracting polio We don't make the flu shot mandatory in order to go to a ball game or the movies and I don't think we should do that with Covid shots. Look at how many people are affected by alcohol and alcoholism. Should we go back to prohibition? We know it didn't work the first time but lives are at stake. Should we reexamine that and force people to act accordingly? And wouldn't my Wehraboo outlook mean that I'm favor of the Totalitarian rule of Government? Cuz I don't want that. I assume that all those who do not plan on getting the Covid vaccine recommended by all in the medical profession, also do not plan on visiting a Dr for the rest of their life as they obviously do not know what they are talking about!
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Post by G.Dykes on Apr 28, 2021 13:51:12 GMT -5
Well, how about this .... for 18s, CC did not allow any parents inside the gym!!!
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Post by eazy on Apr 28, 2021 13:55:59 GMT -5
Well, how about this .... for 18s, CC did not allow any parents inside the gym!!! That sounds wonderful. No one screaming about doubles, or that the score wasn’t flipped soon enough. Clearly they care more about the experience for the kids than for the parents’ money.
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Post by justahick on Apr 28, 2021 13:59:54 GMT -5
Well, how about this .... for 18s, CC did not allow any parents inside the gym!!! What are you talking about? 18s looked almost like 2018 with parents everywhere.
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Post by odinaka on Apr 28, 2021 14:03:32 GMT -5
Before you insinuate someone is acting like a Nazi, you should learn about what Nazism is. Beyond that, since you probably had no problem with giving your kiddies polio and diptheria vaccinations and that those are mandatory to attend schools in most places, what's the difference---other than your Wehraboo outlook on life? Wehraboo? - Thanks, I learned a new word today. I don't believe that vaccinations should necessarily be mandatory. Now polio and Covid are completely different situations. One polio vaccine should prevent polio over the lifetime of that person, one Covid shot means someone is "covered" for maybe a year and it sounds like another shot will be necessary. Still I don't think we should force people to do something they may not agree with, especially if that action only puts that person at risk i.e. contracting polio We don't make the flu shot mandatory in order to go to a ball game or the movies and I don't think we should do that with Covid shots. Look at how many people are affected by alcohol and alcoholism. Should we go back to prohibition? We know it didn't work the first time but lives are at stake. Should we reexamine that and force people to act accordingly? And wouldn't my Wehraboo outlook mean that I'm favor of the Totalitarian rule of Government? Cuz I don't want that. There are hundreds of stories how one infection resulted in multiple deaths in several families, so your "especially if that action only puts that person at risk" is pure BS. Last I checked my kids' school would not let any kid attend school without a shots record that indicates they have taken all shots recommended for their age group, including FLU SHOTS!!! But go on Dr......canamvballdad
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Apr 28, 2021 14:15:28 GMT -5
Wehraboo? - Thanks, I learned a new word today. I don't believe that vaccinations should necessarily be mandatory. Now polio and Covid are completely different situations. One polio vaccine should prevent polio over the lifetime of that person, one Covid shot means someone is "covered" for maybe a year and it sounds like another shot will be necessary. Still I don't think we should force people to do something they may not agree with, especially if that action only puts that person at risk i.e. contracting polio We don't make the flu shot mandatory in order to go to a ball game or the movies and I don't think we should do that with Covid shots. Look at how many people are affected by alcohol and alcoholism. Should we go back to prohibition? We know it didn't work the first time but lives are at stake. Should we reexamine that and force people to act accordingly? And wouldn't my Wehraboo outlook mean that I'm favor of the Totalitarian rule of Government? Cuz I don't want that. I assume that all those who do not plan on getting the Covid vaccine recommended by all in the medical profession, also do not plan on visiting a Dr for the rest of their life as they obviously do not know what they are talking about! Sorry eazy... Getting a shot and going to the doctor having nothing to do with each other. Getting the shot focuses on one aspect of physical health. Going to the doctor hopefully encompasses all of one's physical health. Moreover...Doctor's aren't infallible. Mine once recommended that I start three new meds at one time. He was wrong. I chose not to follow that advice. Lastly... not ALL in the medical profession recommend taking the vaccine. MOST do but not ALL.
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Post by hookshott on Apr 28, 2021 14:30:12 GMT -5
I assume that all those who do not plan on getting the Covid vaccine recommended by all in the medical profession, also do not plan on visiting a Dr for the rest of their life as they obviously do not know what they are talking about! Sorry eazy... Getting a shot and going to the doctor having nothing to do with each other. Getting the shot focuses on one aspect of physical health. Going to the doctor hopefully encompasses all of one's physical health. Moreover...Doctor's aren't infallible. Mine once recommended that I start three new meds at one time. He was wrong. I chose not to follow that advice. Lastly... not ALL in the medical profession recommend taking the vaccine. MOST do but not ALL. I know nothing about what meds the Dr recommended for you so cannot comment on that recommendation, but you clearly state you did not believe his recommendation so did not follow it....just as you have chosen not to believe most Dr's recommendation that you receive a Covid vaccination to protect yourself and, as importantly, others around you. You obviously feel you know more than any Dr so please do not clog up the medical system the rest of your life as there are many others who appreciate and respect their recommendations.
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Post by eazy on Apr 28, 2021 14:33:46 GMT -5
I assume that all those who do not plan on getting the Covid vaccine recommended by all in the medical profession, also do not plan on visiting a Dr for the rest of their life as they obviously do not know what they are talking about! Sorry eazy...Getting a shot and going to the doctor having nothing to do with each other. Getting the shot focuses on one aspect of physical health. Going to the doctor hopefully encompasses all of one's physical health. Moreover...Doctor's aren't infallible. Mine once recommended that I start three new meds at one time. He was wrong. I chose not to follow that advice. Lastly... not ALL in the medical profession recommend taking the vaccine. MOST do but not ALL. Hey now.. This one wasn't me..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 14:37:59 GMT -5
There are much better and cheaper ways to achieve that than club sports, in my opinion. But each family has to make their own decisions about how they spend the household's income.
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