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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 3:05:39 GMT -5
I love my homies but what is going on at Penn State? I am not a big fan of an elite program using free agency - moving players in and out. I just don’t think any “Transfer U” consistently puts you at the top. Who all left the team this season to open spots? You know Stanford added M. Gates as a grad transfer MB for one year, 2019; it was a huge upgrade and helped them win a natty. Nebraska did the same (eg, B. Holman helped win them their 2017 natty). I don't think building an entire team out of transfers is a good thing, but one good piece can get you over the top. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 3:07:38 GMT -5
where is she gonna play? Ahead of Fitzpatrick? Yes. I can see them platooning during matches, depending on who's hot/cold that night or in a set. |
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Post by jagdpanther on Apr 30, 2021 21:20:11 GMT -5
I love my homies but what is going on at Penn State? I am not a big fan of an elite program using free agency - moving players in and out. I just don’t think any “Transfer U” consistently puts you at the top. Who all left the team this season to open spots? It's NCAA sports anymore. But it's not a good sign that we did this and still have so many holes. |
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on May 1, 2021 21:54:32 GMT -5
Rollins had one bad match lol. she had countless matches where she was the go to for us if samedy struggled. saying she would be benched when she’s a reliable almost 3k/s is crazy to meo One? she hit -.037 against Nebraska .156 against Penn State .158 against Penn State .107 Wisconsin .061 Northwestern again, where is she gonna play? Whose place is she gonna take? When you don’t understand the issue, don’t make silly posts like you just did. Or just answer the question without a mindless effort to distract the focus. where is she gonna play? Ahead of Parker? Ahead of Pritchard? Ahead of Fitzpatrick? She might make a competitive B side attacker to prepare the players who actually play in the matches. . . But I doubt she ever sees the floor in a match that means anything; ie B1G matches. . . 🤷🏻♀️ Can't wait to come back here in December to show you how wrong you were |
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Post by photos1 on May 2, 2021 10:47:06 GMT -5
One? she hit -.037 against Nebraska .156 against Penn State .158 against Penn State .107 Wisconsin .061 Northwestern again, where is she gonna play? Whose place is she gonna take? When you don’t understand the issue, don’t make silly posts like you just did. Or just answer the question without a mindless effort to distract the focus. where is she gonna play? Ahead of Parker? Ahead of Pritchard? Ahead of Fitzpatrick? She might make a competitive B side attacker to prepare the players who actually play in the matches. . . But I doubt she ever sees the floor in a match that means anything; ie B1G matches. . . 🤷🏻♀️ You really think fitzpatrick and pritchard are better than rollins?? That’s not the point. Rollins is an undersized OH who was controlled by the best teams in the B1G this spring-including -.037 against Nebraska and .107 against Wisconsin. Is that what Rose needs? In addition Rollins lacks the backrow passing ability to make Penn State a better team. And, bringing in a transfer or 2 in a couple year cycle can be absorbed into a team culture, but when several transfers are being infused into a team culture for 3, 4, 5 years in a row, well, there is no real culture remaining. What remains is a team looking over their shoulders to see who the coaches are bringing in from the portal to take their place. Hint: it’s not working when you are bringing in transfers to replace transfers who weren’t good enough from the year before- and that is where Penn State is. It seems to me that it should be easier for Penn State to recruit quality OHs as prep players instead of recruiting players from the portal from losing programs like Rutgers and Maryland. Rose had a great program culture for nearly 40 years, it’s sad this is going on at the end of his tenure. And lastly, why would Fitzpatrick stick around? Why would any high school player go to Penn State at this point? We’ll see how it all works out...🏐🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 2, 2021 10:53:52 GMT -5
I love my homies but what is going on at Penn State? I am not a big fan of an elite program using free agency - moving players in and out. I just don’t think any “Transfer U” consistently puts you at the top. Who all left the team this season to open spots? For a long time I think Rose was very anti-transfer and didn’t like a lot of the things that were going around regarding how kids were transferring. I find this to be very similar to how Duke basketball once viewed one and dones. It’s a reality that you either have to embrace or get left behind. |
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Post by chenny11 on May 2, 2021 11:42:00 GMT -5
You really think fitzpatrick and pritchard are better than rollins?? Rose had a great program culture for nearly 40 years, it’s sad this is going on at the end of his tenure. And lastly, why would Fitzpatrick stick around? Why would any high school player go to Penn State at this point? We’ll see how it all works out...🏐🤷🏻♀️ What about Lexi Sun, Kayla Caffey, Lauren Barnes, Giorgia Civita, and Deahna Kraft? The transfers on the other top B1G teams? Penn State’s starting lineup this season had one transfer in it, who didn’t make a huge impact on the team’s performance. All of those players I just named had a major impact on their team’s performance this season. Penn State’s top 5 ranked 2021 recruiting class could probably tell you why a high school player would go to Penn State. Penn State still has one of the best team cultures and will as long as Rose is coaching. Look at the way those girls play. So much grit, so much determination, so much emotion. They want to win and show it night in and night out. There is a reason that all of Rose’s former players still are in contact with him. And we can stop saying things about being close to the end of Rose’s tenure. I’ll believe it when I see it considering this same conversation has been going on for 10 years. |
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Post by jengal on May 2, 2021 11:49:22 GMT -5
Rose had a great program culture for nearly 40 years, it’s sad this is going on at the end of his tenure. And lastly, why would Fitzpatrick stick around? Why would any high school player go to Penn State at this point? We’ll see how it all works out...🏐🤷🏻♀️ What about Lexi Sun, Kayla Caffey, Lauren Barnes, Giorgia Civita, and Deahna Kraft? The transfers on the other top B1G teams? Penn State’s starting lineup this season had one transfer in it, who didn’t make a huge impact on the team’s performance. All of those players I just named had a major impact on their team’s performance this season. Penn State’s top 5 ranked 2021 recruiting class could probably tell you why a high school player would go to Penn State. Penn State still has one of the best team cultures and will as long as Rose is coaching. Look at the way those girls play. So much grit, so much determination, so much emotion. They want to win and show it night in and night out. There is a reason that all of Rose’s former players still are in contact with him. And we can stop saying things about being close to the end of Rose’s tenure. I’ll believe it when I see it considering this same conversation has been going on for 10 years. I think Rollins and Pritchard start over Fitzpatrick, however, Rose won’t tolerate bad passing and will sub her in for one of them if they are struggling in the back row. |
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Post by Kingsley on May 2, 2021 11:57:35 GMT -5
I love my homies but what is going on at Penn State? I am not a big fan of an elite program using free agency - moving players in and out. I just don’t think any “Transfer U” consistently puts you at the top. Who all left the team this season to open spots? For a long time I think Rose was very anti-transfer and didn’t like a lot of the things that were going around regarding how kids were transferring. I find this to be very similar to how Duke basketball once viewed one and dones. It’s a reality that you either have to embrace or get left behind. I wouldn’t necessarily see this as a change of philosophy. These transfers happened because Penn State’s recruitment of left sides has simply not been good enough. |
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on May 2, 2021 12:59:22 GMT -5
For a long time I think Rose was very anti-transfer and didn’t like a lot of the things that were going around regarding how kids were transferring. I find this to be very similar to how Duke basketball once viewed one and dones. It’s a reality that you either have to embrace or get left behind. I wouldn’t necessarily see this as a change of philosophy. These transfers happened because Penn State’s recruitment of left sides has simply not been good enough. They were both free agents/grad transfers. Same with Taylor Leath. Rose's philosophy still applies. It's not like he's actively hunting down players from other programs who still have eligibility to use |
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Post by photos1 on May 2, 2021 15:54:27 GMT -5
What about Lexi Sun, Kayla Caffey, Lauren Barnes, Giorgia Civita, and Deahna Kraft? The transfers on the other top B1G teams? Penn State’s starting lineup this season had one transfer in it, who didn’t make a huge impact on the team’s performance. All of those players I just named had a major impact on their team’s performance this season. Penn State’s top 5 ranked 2021 recruiting class could probably tell you why a high school player would go to Penn State. Penn State still has one of the best team cultures and will as long as Rose is coaching. Look at the way those girls play. So much grit, so much determination, so much emotion. They want to win and show it night in and night out. There is a reason that all of Rose’s former players still are in contact with him. And we can stop saying things about being close to the end of Rose’s tenure. I’ll believe it when I see it considering this same conversation has been going on for 10 years. I think Rollins and Pritchard start over Fitzpatrick, however, Rose won’t tolerate bad passing and will sub her in for one of them if they are struggling in the back row. What about Sun and Caffey, and Barnes and Kraft? They aren’t the seemingly endless string of transfers that is going on at Penn State. It’s a failed analogy. . . Apples and oranges. . . Calm down, read the words and understand my post BEFORE you post something that makes no sense. YOU appear consumed in defending a 2010 Penn State program that no longer exists in 2021. Is Penn State still very good? Yes...certainly, but as a program they have gone from fighting for the top of the mountain in the B1G to fighting to keep a spot in the top 4 of the conference. All you have to do is look at several of the matches they lost this year. . . Penn State use to recruit great volleyball players who were never physically dominated, out hustled or out thought, but since 2017 they have been. It really started in 2015 by not recruiting even a average setter. If you had had a setter who could walk and chew gum at the same time in 2017 Russ may have flown out of KC with another championship...but you didn’t and Russ left the sea of red in KC empty handed. And Russ is at the end because he is. Stop being silly. In 40 years when has a Russ Rose team been out coached, out hustled and had a team run out of gas in matches as they have been recently? It happened this year in both Minnesota matches, in at least one of the Ohio State matches and probably the Texas match. We can use the tried and true “covid” excuse, or we can recite the crapola restrictions/limitations forced upon the women vb teams by the B1G, and although there is truth to this, this is not where the cracks in Rose and PSU first became clear. In both the 2018 and 2019 NCAA tournaments against Stanford, PSU came out with great game plans but instead of seizing the matches-as they would have for 20 years, they backed away when Stanford fought back. In 2018 in particular, what should have been a 2-0 lead was just choked away. But if you think a few phone calls from ex-players fixes all of this, good for you. If you think the PSU recruiting has been good enough the past decade you are singing from a covid crowd auditorium. With the exception of Gray and Hord you have no elite players. Hancock is your last elite level setter and the drop off from White in the back row this year was like falling into the Grand Canyon. Rose built championship teams on a foundation of defense, Hampton is average...maybe being extremely generous, give her an above average, but not good enough when you have to play elite defense with undersized OHs. You have very good recruits that are not as good as the ones Nebraska, Wisconsin and Minnesota are signing-for at least 5, 6, 7 years. Nebraska-Penn State matches are always great entertainment, and I am sure they will continue to be that way as long as Rose is still coaching, but they are no longer the best volleyball matches. PS if Rose really thought your 2021 recruits were a “top 5” class, he wouldn’t be continuing to sign transfers from the portal. Just a quick look at that class, the only thing that is clear, (you are losing ground in the B1G) and are much closer to fighting Purdue and Illinois for 4th in the conference than Nebraska-Wisconsin-Minnesota for first. Your 2021 class consists on no one ready to step onto campus ready to play B1G volleyball. We’ll see how it goes. Sorry 🏐 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on May 2, 2021 16:21:09 GMT -5
I think Rollins and Pritchard start over Fitzpatrick, however, Rose won’t tolerate bad passing and will sub her in for one of them if they are struggling in the back row. What about Sun and Caffey, and Barnes and Kraft? They aren’t the seemingly endless string of transfers that is going on at Penn State. It’s a failed analogy. . . Apples and oranges. . . Calm down, read the words and understand my post BEFORE you post something that makes no sense. YOU appear consumed in defending a 2010 Penn State program that no longer exists in 2021. Is Penn State still very good? Yes...certainly, but as a program they have gone from fighting for the top of the mountain in the B1G to fighting to keep a spot in the top 4 of the conference. All you have to do is look at several of the matches they lost this year. . . Penn State use to recruit great volleyball players who were never physically dominated, out hustled or out thought, but since 2017 they have been. It really started in 2015 by not recruiting even a average setter. If you had had a setter who could walk and chew gum at the same time in 2017 Russ may have flown out of KC with another championship...but you didn’t and Russ left the sea of red in KC empty handed. And Russ is at the end because he is. Stop being silly. In 40 years when has a Russ Rose team been out coached, out hustled and had a team run out of gas in matches as they have been recently? It happened this year in both Minnesota matches, in at least one of the Ohio State matches and probably the Texas match. We can use the tried and true “covid” excuse, or we can recite the crapola restrictions/limitations forced upon the women vb teams by the B1G, and although there is truth to this, this is not where the cracks in Rose and PSU first became clear. In both the 2018 and 2019 NCAA tournaments against Stanford, PSU came out with great game plans but instead of seizing the matches-as they would have for 20 years, they backed away when Stanford fought back. In 2018 in particular, what should have been a 2-0 lead was just choked away. But if you think a few phone calls from ex-players fixes all of this, good for you. If you think the PSU recruiting has been good enough the past decade you are singing from a covid crowd auditorium. With the exception of Gray and Hord you have no elite players. Hancock is your last elite level setter and the drop off from White in the back row this year was like falling into the Grand Canyon. Rose built championship teams on a foundation of defense, Hampton is average...maybe being extremely generous, give her an above average, but not good enough when you have to play elite defense with undersized OHs. You have very good recruits that are not as good as the ones Nebraska, Wisconsin and Minnesota are signing-for at least 5, 6, 7 years. Nebraska-Penn State matches are always great entertainment, and I am sure they will continue to be that way as long as Rose is still coaching, but they are no longer the best volleyball matches. PS if Rose really thought your 2021 recruits were a “top 5” class, he wouldn’t be continuing to sign transfers from the portal. Just a quick look at that class, the only thing that is clear, (you are losing ground in the B1G) and are much closer to fighting Purdue and Illinois for 4th in the conference than Nebraska-Wisconsin-Minnesota for first. Your 2021 class consists on no one ready to step onto campus ready to play B1G volleyball. We’ll see how it goes. Sorry 🏐 🤷🏻♀️ Can you name 5 top 25 teams that haven't utilized a big-time transfer in the past 5 years? Take all the time you need with this one |
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Post by photos1 on May 2, 2021 16:53:18 GMT -5
What about Sun and Caffey, and Barnes and Kraft? They aren’t the seemingly endless string of transfers that is going on at Penn State. It’s a failed analogy. . . Apples and oranges. . . Calm down, read the words and understand my post BEFORE you post something that makes no sense. YOU appear consumed in defending a 2010 Penn State program that no longer exists in 2021. Is Penn State still very good? Yes...certainly, but as a program they have gone from fighting for the top of the mountain in the B1G to fighting to keep a spot in the top 4 of the conference. All you have to do is look at several of the matches they lost this year. . . Penn State use to recruit great volleyball players who were never physically dominated, out hustled or out thought, but since 2017 they have been. It really started in 2015 by not recruiting even a average setter. If you had had a setter who could walk and chew gum at the same time in 2017 Russ may have flown out of KC with another championship...but you didn’t and Russ left the sea of red in KC empty handed. And Russ is at the end because he is. Stop being silly. In 40 years when has a Russ Rose team been out coached, out hustled and had a team run out of gas in matches as they have been recently? It happened this year in both Minnesota matches, in at least one of the Ohio State matches and probably the Texas match. We can use the tried and true “covid” excuse, or we can recite the crapola restrictions/limitations forced upon the women vb teams by the B1G, and although there is truth to this, this is not where the cracks in Rose and PSU first became clear. In both the 2018 and 2019 NCAA tournaments against Stanford, PSU came out with great game plans but instead of seizing the matches-as they would have for 20 years, they backed away when Stanford fought back. In 2018 in particular, what should have been a 2-0 lead was just choked away. But if you think a few phone calls from ex-players fixes all of this, good for you. If you think the PSU recruiting has been good enough the past decade you are singing from a covid crowd auditorium. With the exception of Gray and Hord you have no elite players. Hancock is your last elite level setter and the drop off from White in the back row this year was like falling into the Grand Canyon. Rose built championship teams on a foundation of defense, Hampton is average...maybe being extremely generous, give her an above average, but not good enough when you have to play elite defense with undersized OHs. You have very good recruits that are not as good as the ones Nebraska, Wisconsin and Minnesota are signing-for at least 5, 6, 7 years. Nebraska-Penn State matches are always great entertainment, and I am sure they will continue to be that way as long as Rose is still coaching, but they are no longer the best volleyball matches. PS if Rose really thought your 2021 recruits were a “top 5” class, he wouldn’t be continuing to sign transfers from the portal. Just a quick look at that class, the only thing that is clear, (you are losing ground in the B1G) and are much closer to fighting Purdue and Illinois for 4th in the conference than Nebraska-Wisconsin-Minnesota for first. Your 2021 class consists on no one ready to step onto campus ready to play B1G volleyball. We’ll see how it goes. Sorry 🏐 🤷🏻♀️ Can you name 5 top 25 teams that haven't utilized a big-time transfer in the past 5 years? Take all the time you need with this one Again, did you read my post? Have you watched the PSU roster the past couple of years? Just like some people have a drink with dinner or a glass of wine with their meal, some, many...most people “utilize” alcohol drinks to compliment a good thing . . . but over indulging ruins the meal. Yes, virtually every team utilizes the transfer option. But in this case, when a team is “utilizing” the transfer portal in a attempt to make up for failed recruiting years or to REPLACE a portal transfer failure from a previous year, well, it goes from “utilizing” to a over indulging in a desperate attempt to replace. When you attempt to improve an undersized OH group with a good player from a losing program, that seems counter productive. When you attempt to improve an undersized OH group with an undersized but skilled hitter who has bad passing skills, well, that also seems to be counter productive. And when you are using the transfer portal to replace a failed transfer from the previous year, well, that too seems counter productive to the program and its culture. Penn State’s use of the transfer portal isn’t the problem, but it is a symptom of the real problem-recruiting very good players, but not elite players. . . as Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Stanford have for the past decade. We can argue about that “top 5” 2021 PSU recruiting class all you want, but I don’t see any of the 5 signees offering any meaningful help next fall. And I don’t see this class making up ground on the top 3 teams in the B1G-in fact they are losing in the recruitment of talent. Kuerschen is a good defender, but elite level good right now or next fall? Rodriquez level good right now or next fall? We’ll see how it goes. 🏐🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on May 2, 2021 18:08:03 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand what you're on about. Why would you pick up a transfer if they're not going to fill a position that you need? And how is what Rose did any different than Cook with Andi Malloy and Bri Holman and Kelsey Robinson, McCutcheon with Kylie Miller, Sheffield with Clark and Barnes, and Wise with T'ara Caesar. Like I genuinely don't understand why you're bagging on Rose for something every top level coach does. Again, when there is evidence that Rose is using his players to circumvent transfer rules and have them reach out to potential transfers through social media or is actively seeking out players from rosters who still have eligibility remaining, then we have a problem.
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Post by donut on May 2, 2021 18:43:24 GMT -5
yikes photos found his way out of Nebraska threads
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