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Post by jammaster on May 5, 2021 12:52:50 GMT -5
Okay I consider myself to be relatively new to VT so this may have been covered before (maybe ad nauseam) BUT I was wondering why so much disdain for the 6-2 keeps popping up. Personally I like having three attackers in the front row continually and having a typically bigger block to go against opposing team's OH. What, if anything, makes a 5-1 a preferred offense? I'm not a coach or player, but have been watching my kid set various offenses for years. Here is what I have gathered: 5-1 Positives: Hitters only need to connect with one setter One setter controls strategy throughout set (example: feed middle early to win with the pins) Lots of attack options for setter when in front row No substitutions used on setter Negatives: Setter better be able to block when in front row Setter better have a motor because they never get a blow (this can be a real issue in 5 set matches) Only two front row attackers for three rotations 6-2 Positives: Always 3 front row attackers Can get 2 setters on the court. This keeps 2 setters/parents mostly happy (obviously more important in Club, HS, etc.) Unless setters go 6 rotations, it's not physically as tiring as 5-1 Negatives: Your second best setter sets the ball about half the time Bakes in a number of substitutions if setter doesn't stay in for opposite duty Setter never gets to attack from front row You have to continuously explain why your setter kid didn't go up and crush that overpass
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Post by n00b on May 5, 2021 12:53:41 GMT -5
When my DDs team run a 6-2, they usually switch the Setter and RS. Is that typically what happens? Yes. Every once in a while you’ll see a team sub setters for middles, but it isn’t particularly common.
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Post by vbcoach06 on May 5, 2021 12:57:10 GMT -5
One giant Con of running a 6-2 that no one has mentioned is how much it handicaps your middle blockers when attacking. Some middles are elite off of one foot behind the setter. Unless you are running a ton of crossing patterns with the MB and the RS, that middle cant go behind and spread the offense. If that middle has professional aspirations, this can set them back years.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 5, 2021 12:59:53 GMT -5
Every once in a while you’ll see a team sub setters for middles, but it isn’t particularly common. Washington did it one year out of what appeared to be desperation. They had one setter who could set one middle, and another setter who could set the other middle, but they couldn't seem to get either setter to set both middles.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 5, 2021 13:01:07 GMT -5
One giant Con of running a 6-2 that no one has mentioned is how much it handicaps your middle blockers when attacking. Some middles are elite off of one foot behind the setter. Unless you are running a ton of crossing patterns with the MB and the RS, that middle cant go behind and spread the offense. If that middle has professional aspirations, this can set them back years. Or you just "run a ton of crossing patterns with the MB and the RS". When Washington was running a 6-2, one year they ran an X play pretty much every single time they were in the rotation where they received serve and Vansant was on the RS. They slid the MB to the right and Vansant came around and attacked from the middle. With a decent pass that was basically an automatic kill for Krista.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 13:02:30 GMT -5
One giant Con of running a 6-2 that no one has mentioned is how much it handicaps your middle blockers when attacking. Some middles are elite off of one foot behind the setter. Unless you are running a ton of crossing patterns with the MB and the RS, that middle cant go behind and spread the offense. If that middle has professional aspirations, this can set them back years. This works both ways. If you don't have a middle that hits well off of one foot, then a 6-2 might be the best option for an offense. I think the importance of the slide will continue to decrease professionally as the D ball becomes more effective.
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Post by JT on May 5, 2021 13:06:59 GMT -5
You need two six-rotation OHs, because you run out of subs quickly if you’re subbing both setters and a DS. Or, you run a *real* 6-2, where the player sets in the back row, and turns into a hitter when rotating to the front. I loved the Gophers 2004 setup, with K-Bow and Bugs running a 6-2. Instead of subbing the S/Opp pairs, we subbed out both of our OH’s. And just to screw up opponents, they would occasionally have the setter in the front row handle the second contact, so she could set or dump it unexpectedly, as appropriate.
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Post by bluepenquin on May 5, 2021 13:07:17 GMT -5
One giant Con of running a 6-2 that no one has mentioned is how much it handicaps your middle blockers when attacking. Some middles are elite off of one foot behind the setter. Unless you are running a ton of crossing patterns with the MB and the RS, that middle cant go behind and spread the offense. If that middle has professional aspirations, this can set them back years. This works both ways. If you don't have a middle that hits well off of one foot, then a 6-2 might be the best option for an offense. The importance of the slide is decreasing professionally as the D ball becomes more effective. Watching Kansas over the last 10 years - I assumed all middles were efficient with the slide (one foot) - until they had a MB that couldn't hit on one foot. It did seem like a killer to the offense that would have been improved by running a 6-2. But the rest of their teams needed that one foot option that the 5-1 allowed.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 5, 2021 13:08:55 GMT -5
Kingsley
Still not sure what the significance of Cathy George was... Please expound.
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Post by bluepenquin on May 5, 2021 13:09:26 GMT -5
How about 6-2 loses out on all overpass 50/50 balls (jousts at the net) - while a 5-1 has this option 50% of the time? Probably pretty minor, but at least a slight advantage to a 5-1.
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Post by Kingsley on May 5, 2021 13:12:45 GMT -5
Kingsley Still not sure what the significance of Cathy George was... Please expound. Cathy loves her a 6-2
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 5, 2021 13:15:31 GMT -5
Kingsley Still not sure what the significance of Cathy George was... Please expound. Cathy loves her a 6-2 GOTCHA! Is that what they were running a couple years ago when their squad was really good? I think they had a lot of seniors that year.
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Post by Kingsley on May 5, 2021 13:18:54 GMT -5
GOTCHA! Is that what they were running a couple years ago when their squad was really good? I think they had a lot of seniors that year. They actually ran a 5-1 with Minarick that year. It’s generally been some disappointing 6-2s ever since. The fact that they’re bringing in another good setter recruit (Bishop) a year behind Cullen gives me existential dread.
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Post by vbcoach06 on May 5, 2021 13:18:58 GMT -5
One giant Con of running a 6-2 that no one has mentioned is how much it handicaps your middle blockers when attacking. Some middles are elite off of one foot behind the setter. Unless you are running a ton of crossing patterns with the MB and the RS, that middle cant go behind and spread the offense. If that middle has professional aspirations, this can set them back years. This works both ways. If you don't have a middle that hits well off of one foot, then a 6-2 might be the best option for an offense. I think the importance of the slide will continue to decrease professionally as the D ball becomes more effective. While I agree with you that the D ball will continue to become more effective, I think those days are still a ways in front of us. Right now, I'd say there's only 3 elite D ball hitters (Haak, Boskovic, Egonu, in no particular order), so an elite slide is still needed for just about every team that doesn't hve one of those 3.
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Post by eazy on May 5, 2021 13:40:50 GMT -5
This works both ways. If you don't have a middle that hits well off of one foot, then a 6-2 might be the best option for an offense. I think the importance of the slide will continue to decrease professionally as the D ball becomes more effective. While I agree with you that the D ball will continue to become more effective, I think those days are still a ways in front of us. Right now, I'd say there's only 3 elite D ball hitters (Haak, Boskovic, Egonu, in no particular order), so an elite slide is still needed for just about every team that doesn't hve one of those 3. I do think a slide and a backrow attack out of the middle is better than a front quick and a backrow attack out of right back.
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