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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 11:40:49 GMT -5
According to Autumn Pease of the Gophers:
"UCLA hosts and wont allow non California residents unless they are fully vaccinated. Out of the three other teams they have a combined total of 6 non California girls."
And the Gophers have 3 California girls and 20 non. If this is correct, this could create quite a fiasco for the Gophs.
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Post by n00b on May 18, 2021 12:01:54 GMT -5
According to Autumn Pease of the Gophers: "UCLA hosts and wont allow non California residents unless they are fully vaccinated. Out of the three other teams they have a combined total of 6 non California girls." And the Gophers have 3 California girls and 20 non. If this is correct, this could create quite a fiasco for the Gophs. To clarify, that’s for spectators. But I think it’s too early for a policy like that. I booked a vaccine the day I became eligible and won’t meet the standard for ‘fully vaccinated’ for another month. I might understand then - when everybody who wants to get vaccinated has had the chance and is fully vaccinated. But when you’re only allowing a limited pass list anyway, this seems overly severe. If you only want to admit vaccinated people, ok. If you want to limit attendance so people can distance, ok. To do BOTH at an outdoor venue is dumb. |
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Post by jayj79 on May 18, 2021 16:44:19 GMT -5
why don't California residents that want to attend have to be vaccinated too?
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Post by n00b on May 18, 2021 22:29:43 GMT -5
why don't California residents that want to attend have to be vaccinated too? COVID amplifies it's transmissibility tenfold if you cross state lines. Duh. |
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Post by donut on May 18, 2021 22:33:35 GMT -5
"Tickets will not be available to the general public for the Los Angeles Regional. A limited number of team guests are permitted at UCLA outdoor sporting events. Non-ticketed guests should not come to Easton Stadium."
Per UCLA website.
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Post by n00b on May 18, 2021 23:21:35 GMT -5
"Tickets will not be available to the general public for the Los Angeles Regional. A limited number of team guests are permitted at UCLA outdoor sporting events. Non-ticketed guests should not come to Easton Stadium." Per UCLA website. Right. I think the restriction is for people on the pass list. So if a parent of one of the Minnesota players isn't vaccinated yet, they can't attend. (Unless they live in California, in which case they can) |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 19, 2021 19:17:19 GMT -5
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Post by trojansc on May 19, 2021 19:22:24 GMT -5
Washington had a lack of non-conference wins + 2 poor OOC losses, NOT a lack of a Top 25 wins (*stares at Texas). Wash had 8 vs. Texas' 3. And Texas' loss to Texas Tech in the Big 12 Tournament was worse than splitting with Stanford (an NCAA Tournament team). The 16 RPI didn't help UW either, but it definitely didn't make sense to jump up Kentucky (18) on their profile either, particularly above Washington.
The PAC actually added a 4th game to the 3-game conference PAC-12 series. But, even though it did not count towards conference standings, the committee (and RPI) did not count these as non-conference games. There were a few other matches among conference foes who did not count towards conference standings, but nothing like what the PAC-12 did.
Anyways, if anyone wants to see Washington's reaction:
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Post by mikegarrison on May 19, 2021 19:30:07 GMT -5
Anyways, if anyone wants to see Washington's reaction Thanks. I hadn't seen that. I wonder how happy Oklahoma is to know that they will possibly have to play the #5-ranked team just to get into the WCWS. I suspect they aren't 100% pleased about that either. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 19, 2021 20:53:36 GMT -5
Washington had a lack of non-conference wins + 2 poor OOC losses, NOT a lack of a Top 25 wins (*stares at Texas). Wash had 8 vs. Texas' 3. And Texas' loss to Texas Tech in the Big 12 Tournament was worse than splitting with Stanford (an NCAA Tournament team). The 16 RPI didn't help UW either, but it definitely didn't make sense to jump up Kentucky (18) on their profile either, particularly above Washington. The PAC actually added a 4th game to the 3-game conference PAC-12 series. But, even though it did not count towards conference standings, the committee (and RPI) did not count these as non-conference games. There were a few other matches among conference foes who did not count towards conference standings, but nothing like what the PAC-12 did. Should RPI count "non-conference" games against conference foes as non-conference? Wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the RPI as a tool for evaluating relative conference strength? Granted, it's not like the RPI is a flawless evaluative tool in the first place, but still. |
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Post by trojansc on May 19, 2021 22:58:11 GMT -5
Washington had a lack of non-conference wins + 2 poor OOC losses, NOT a lack of a Top 25 wins (*stares at Texas). Wash had 8 vs. Texas' 3. And Texas' loss to Texas Tech in the Big 12 Tournament was worse than splitting with Stanford (an NCAA Tournament team). The 16 RPI didn't help UW either, but it definitely didn't make sense to jump up Kentucky (18) on their profile either, particularly above Washington. The PAC actually added a 4th game to the 3-game conference PAC-12 series. But, even though it did not count towards conference standings, the committee (and RPI) did not count these as non-conference games. There were a few other matches among conference foes who did not count towards conference standings, but nothing like what the PAC-12 did. Should RPI count "non-conference" games against conference foes as non-conference? Wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the RPI as a tool for evaluating relative conference strength? Granted, it's not like the RPI is a flawless evaluative tool in the first place, but still. It's a weird one for me. For example, Alabama and LSU were not scheduled to meet in conference play. They scheduled each other before conference play began. I would be more inclined to allow that as a non-conference series, but I still have mixed feelings. It's unfortunate that LSU/Bama can't play each other in the regular season, and it's not counted towards bonus points or non-conference matches either. The PAC-12 series had one game of the 4 game set considered a non-conference game, sandwiched between conference matches on the same weekend. I agree it kind of defeats the purpose, but the purpose is to intentionally schedule (and win!) tougher non-conference games. I have a hard time saying you shouldn't at the very least get RPI bonus points for scheduling a Top 25 team when you aren't required to (in conference). It's complicated. I'd rather encourage tougher non-conference competition than discourage it. This year was particularly weird with COVID, but we certainly could see it happen again in the future. |
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Post by n00b on May 19, 2021 23:05:41 GMT -5
Should RPI count "non-conference" games against conference foes as non-conference? Wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the RPI as a tool for evaluating relative conference strength? Granted, it's not like the RPI is a flawless evaluative tool in the first place, but still. It's a weird one for me. For example, Alabama and LSU were not scheduled to meet in conference play. They scheduled each other before conference play began. I would be more inclined to allow that as a non-conference series, but I still have mixed feelings. It's unfortunate that LSU/Bama can't play each other in the regular season, and it's not counted towards bonus points or non-conference matches either. The PAC-12 series had one game of the 4 game set considered a non-conference game, sandwiched between conference matches on the same weekend. I agree it kind of defeats the purpose, but the purpose is to intentionally schedule (and win!) tougher non-conference games. I have a hard time saying you shouldn't at the very least get RPI bonus points for scheduling a Top 25 team when you aren't required to (in conference). It's complicated. I'd rather encourage tougher non-conference competition than discourage it. This year was particularly weird with COVID, but we certainly could see it happen again in the future. There was a year when Duke and North Carolina scheduled a non-conference volleyball match in a season they were only set to play once in ACC play. To me, the emphasis on non-conference success and strength of schedule is because those are the opponents you have control over playing. So I think they absolutely should count towards all RPI bonuses and SOS considerations. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 19, 2021 23:19:57 GMT -5
It's a weird one for me. For example, Alabama and LSU were not scheduled to meet in conference play. They scheduled each other before conference play began. I would be more inclined to allow that as a non-conference series, but I still have mixed feelings. It's unfortunate that LSU/Bama can't play each other in the regular season, and it's not counted towards bonus points or non-conference matches either. The PAC-12 series had one game of the 4 game set considered a non-conference game, sandwiched between conference matches on the same weekend. I agree it kind of defeats the purpose, but the purpose is to intentionally schedule (and win!) tougher non-conference games. I have a hard time saying you shouldn't at the very least get RPI bonus points for scheduling a Top 25 team when you aren't required to (in conference). It's complicated. I'd rather encourage tougher non-conference competition than discourage it. This year was particularly weird with COVID, but we certainly could see it happen again in the future. There was a year when Duke and North Carolina scheduled a non-conference volleyball match in a season they were only set to play once in ACC play. To me, the emphasis on non-conference success and strength of schedule is because those are the opponents you have control over playing. So I think they absolutely should count towards all RPI bonuses and SOS considerations. Hmm, I think your position is reasonable, but I disagree. I think non-conference should mean non-conference (for selection committee purposes--the conferences are free to schedule extra games that don't count in the conference standings if they'd like for some other purpose) because I think a major purpose of scheduling true non-conference matches or games is to measure the relative strength of conferences across the country. If two strong conference foes played each other in a "non-conference" match, they could still of course get credit for that in terms of significant wins and losses. It would probably be better if RPI was abandoned altogether and something like the NET in basketball was adopted instead, but that's another discussion. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 20, 2021 12:23:40 GMT -5
Oklahoma's coach believes the PAC-12 was screwed:
“Some of the matchups throughout the entire tournament are mind boggling, just the worst I think I’ve seen since I’ve been doing this; no rhyme, no reason where you think, ‘OK, it looks like they used strength of schedule here, but they didn’t use strength of schedule with this team,’” started Gasso, who mentioned she was also surprised the committee gave her team the nod at No. 1. “No, it’s mind boggling, and what they did with the PAC-12 is just—I don’t know. It’s just like unjust, unjust. It was all of them, with the exception of Arizona, which is still kind of a surprise to me. The first PAC-12 team that was seeded was UCLA. The next one was Arizona, and they finished fourth in their conference. You put the second place finisher at 16, which is absolutely a disgrace and disrespect to Washington, which creates a challenge for us.
“But it also has Michigan going there, and I thought Michigan earned a host. But because they were in a different setting with their schedule—and I’ve driven by their conference—they got penalized for that. Washington got penalized for losing to two unranked teams. But you know how many teams that are ranked that they did beat? I felt that Arizona State got seeded too low. They should have probably been more in the 12-, 13-spot.
“So, there’s absolute adoration and love for the SEC. I felt that. I definitely felt that, some of it warranted, some of it not. I thought Wichita State coming here is unfair to them. They deserve better.
“So there’s just a lot of things. Like, Clemson going to Alabama is unreal. So I don’t know. It just saddens me that we all put in a hard body of work and some of everybody’s limitations, whether it’s their conference or their university saying, ‘Hey, we don’t have the money to send you here, or we can’t do this or that because of COVID,’ I just felt like there were zero COVID exceptions in all of this. There wasn’t accountability for some of that.
“I don’t know. I don’t know. There are so many conspiracy theories out there, like ESPN’s trying to create headlines and trying to create these [storylines]. Like Oregon going to Texas, come on. Don’t do that. Don’t do that. But they did.
“And I saw it all playing out, and I’m like, ‘This is ludicrous. It is ludicrous.’ So it’s set up for some, not set up for others. And especially some of these teams that have been in the Top 5, Top 10 in the country all year long, and they get hosed like that, not right, not right.”
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 12:31:09 GMT -5
Oklahoma's coach believes the PAC-12 was screwed: “Some of the matchups throughout the entire tournament are mind boggling, just the worst I think I’ve seen since I’ve been doing this; no rhyme, no reason where you think, ‘OK, it looks like they used strength of schedule here, but they didn’t use strength of schedule with this team,’” started Gasso, who mentioned she was also surprised the committee gave her team the nod at No. 1. “No, it’s mind boggling, and what they did with the PAC-12 is just—I don’t know. It’s just like unjust, unjust. It was all of them, with the exception of Arizona, which is still kind of a surprise to me. The first PAC-12 team that was seeded was UCLA. The next one was Arizona, and they finished fourth in their conference. You put the second place finisher at 16, which is absolutely a disgrace and disrespect to Washington, which creates a challenge for us. “But it also has Michigan going there, and I thought Michigan earned a host. But because they were in a different setting with their schedule—and I’ve driven by their conference—they got penalized for that. Washington got penalized for losing to two unranked teams. But you know how many teams that are ranked that they did beat? I felt that Arizona State got seeded too low. They should have probably been more in the 12-, 13-spot. “So, there’s absolute adoration and love for the SEC. I felt that. I definitely felt that, some of it warranted, some of it not. I thought Wichita State coming here is unfair to them. They deserve better. “So there’s just a lot of things. Like, Clemson going to Alabama is unreal. So I don’t know. It just saddens me that we all put in a hard body of work and some of everybody’s limitations, whether it’s their conference or their university saying, ‘Hey, we don’t have the money to send you here, or we can’t do this or that because of COVID,’ I just felt like there were zero COVID exceptions in all of this. There wasn’t accountability for some of that. “I don’t know. I don’t know. There are so many conspiracy theories out there, like ESPN’s trying to create headlines and trying to create these [storylines]. Like Oregon going to Texas, come on. Don’t do that. Don’t do that. But they did. “And I saw it all playing out, and I’m like, ‘This is ludicrous. It is ludicrous.’ So it’s set up for some, not set up for others. And especially some of these teams that have been in the Top 5, Top 10 in the country all year long, and they get hosed like that, not right, not right.” Wow, tell us what you really think  She really put it out there  |
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