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Post by bbg95 on Jun 14, 2021 19:57:58 GMT -5
I mean, that was basically Alix Klineman's story. did she get suspended? I think Errani got a year (not that she was playing at the elite level anymore) Would've been really bad timing in like 2012 Yes, Klineman was suspended for 13 months from what I can gather.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 14, 2021 19:59:50 GMT -5
She's also really jacked for a distance runner. CF
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 14, 2021 20:00:07 GMT -5
I mean, that was basically Alix Klineman's story. did she get suspended? I think Errani got a year (not that she was playing at the elite level anymore) Would've been really bad timing in like 2012 Klineman got a year. I think she actually got popped a second time but they believed her excuse then?
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Post by Fight On! on Jun 14, 2021 23:21:48 GMT -5
The "tainted meat from a food truck" excuse is right out of the Canelo Alverez playbook for failed drug test explanations. But it was authentic Mexican, lol.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 15, 2021 11:57:00 GMT -5
I just realized that a four-year ban means Houlihan will miss the next two Olympics. I originally thought it was one because of the typical four-year cycle, but because Tokyo was delayed by a year, she'll miss Paris also. Her next Olympic opportunity will be Los Angeles at age 35.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 15, 2021 12:26:45 GMT -5
The "tainted meat from a food truck" excuse is right out of the Canelo Alverez playbook for failed drug test explanations. Several track athletes have SUCCESSFULLY used that defense, so it must have been particularly flimsy. It looks like some of the athletes who have used that defense successfully ( specifically Ajee Wilson and Will Claye) were dealing with USADA rather than the AIU. So if Houlihan's cases had been overseen by USADA, I think there's a reasonable chance that she also would have been cleared. I have to say the fact that USADA credulously bought multiple "tainted meat" explanations doesn't exactly make me think of them as a particularly credible organization.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 15, 2021 18:39:06 GMT -5
Apparently the "pork" burrito was actually carne asada
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 15, 2021 18:43:09 GMT -5
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 16, 2021 0:53:20 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see who USC hires. One name I've seen mentioned is Curtis Taylor, the associate head coach at Oregon. This poster (who claimed to be willing to bet a bunch of Olympic Trials tickets) also predicted that Clemson will indeed poach Duane Ross from NC A&T. I guess we'll see. Also, while I'm sure Smith Gilbert will be recruit some star sprinters, I'm interested to see how she develops Matthew Boling. He was the indoor champion in the 200m, but I think he may have regressed a bit for outdoors. I think Smith Gilbert will do a better job of helping him reach his potential than the previous coach would. So I talked to a connected track fried tonight and got some more tea on the whole coaching carousel. Apparently Petros (UGA coach) had been asking UGA for a few years now to build a new indoor facility and had been getting stonewalled. New AD this year and apparently something happened and the situation got so bad the coach basically walked away mad. Coach will maybe start up a pro training group or maybe go somewhere else, or maybe go back to Europe. UGA Asst. AD used to oversee T&F at USC and reached out to Caryl about it. They're ponying up but primarily she wanted to get out of LA and back to the South (husband is from Alabama & doesn't like LA apparently) so a good fit for both and UGA gets a suitable replacement. USC will hire big. Looking at Taylor (Oregon Sprints Assistant)... or possibly may just hire UGA's coach. So it's entirely possible two Top 5 national programs just switch head coaches who each have 2 nattys in the past 3-4 years.
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Post by Kingsley on Jun 16, 2021 1:15:06 GMT -5
Damn, I missed the doping discussion.
Would anyone like a trenbolone sandwich?
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 16, 2021 11:52:20 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see who USC hires. One name I've seen mentioned is Curtis Taylor, the associate head coach at Oregon. This poster (who claimed to be willing to bet a bunch of Olympic Trials tickets) also predicted that Clemson will indeed poach Duane Ross from NC A&T. I guess we'll see. Also, while I'm sure Smith Gilbert will be recruit some star sprinters, I'm interested to see how she develops Matthew Boling. He was the indoor champion in the 200m, but I think he may have regressed a bit for outdoors. I think Smith Gilbert will do a better job of helping him reach his potential than the previous coach would. So I talked to a connected track fried tonight and got some more tea on the whole coaching carousel. Apparently Petros (UGA coach) had been asking UGA for a few years now to build a new indoor facility and had been getting stonewalled. New AD this year and apparently something happened and the situation got so bad the coach basically walked away mad. Coach will maybe start up a pro training group or maybe go somewhere else, or maybe go back to Europe. UGA Asst. AD used to oversee T&F at USC and reached out to Caryl about it. They're ponying up but primarily she wanted to get out of LA and back to the South (husband is from Alabama & doesn't like LA apparently) so a good fit for both and UGA gets a suitable replacement. USC will hire big. Looking at Taylor (Oregon Sprints Assistant)... or possibly may just hire UGA's coach. So it's entirely possible two Top 5 national programs just switch head coaches who each have 2 nattys in the past 3-4 years. Very interesting. I imagine that if Petros goes to USC, the Trojans will get better in the field events.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 16, 2021 11:58:42 GMT -5
So I talked to a connected track fried tonight and got some more tea on the whole coaching carousel. Apparently Petros (UGA coach) had been asking UGA for a few years now to build a new indoor facility and had been getting stonewalled. New AD this year and apparently something happened and the situation got so bad the coach basically walked away mad. Coach will maybe start up a pro training group or maybe go somewhere else, or maybe go back to Europe. UGA Asst. AD used to oversee T&F at USC and reached out to Caryl about it. They're ponying up but primarily she wanted to get out of LA and back to the South (husband is from Alabama & doesn't like LA apparently) so a good fit for both and UGA gets a suitable replacement. USC will hire big. Looking at Taylor (Oregon Sprints Assistant)... or possibly may just hire UGA's coach. So it's entirely possible two Top 5 national programs just switch head coaches who each have 2 nattys in the past 3-4 years. Very interesting. I imagine that if Petros goes to USC, the Trojans will get better in the field events. Yes. Apparently all of UGA's heptathletes are already in the portal. UGA's going to allocate a lot more scholarship money to sprints under Smith-Gilbert; wherever Petros lands would do the opposite. Would actually be really good for Oregon. While the two models are equally good to compete nationally, UGA's model isn't competitive at conference meets - Oregon would win the PAC in perpetuity (not that they already aren't on the men's side). This would also be a good opportunity for someone like UCLA or the Arizona schools to rebuild their sprint & hurdle teams.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 16, 2021 12:26:35 GMT -5
4 years? that seems excessive It's typical, especially for an Olympic sport. They really want people to not be doping. It's like how many mass transit systems work. They don't check your pass/ticket every time you get on the train, but they do random inspections. They tend to set it up so that if they figure they catch people about 1/100 of the times they ride without paying, that the fine is about 100x what the fare would be.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 16, 2021 12:29:46 GMT -5
Very interesting. I imagine that if Petros goes to USC, the Trojans will get better in the field events. Yes. Apparently all of UGA's heptathletes are already in the portal. UGA's going to allocate a lot more scholarship money to sprints under Smith-Gilbert; wherever Petros lands would do the opposite. Would actually be really good for Oregon. While the two models are equally good to compete nationally, UGA's model isn't competitive at conference meets - Oregon would win the PAC in perpetuity (not that they already aren't on the men's side). This would also be a good opportunity for someone like UCLA or the Arizona schools to rebuild their sprint & hurdle teams. Yeah, one of the more interesting things about track and cross country to me is that the limited number of scholarships forces schools to prioritize different event groups. There are some exceptions (Oregon women in 2017 and Arkansas women in 2019--the only two triple crown winners on the women's side), but in general, the schools that win cross country national championships are not the same schools that win indoor and outdoor track national championships. Like the 2015 New Mexico women's cross country team is probably the greatest in the history of the sport, but the Lobos would never win a team title at indoors or outdoors. Or on the men's side, Northern Arizona currently has a dynasty in cross country but is not a threat at all at indoors or outdoors.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 16, 2021 12:47:57 GMT -5
Yes. Apparently all of UGA's heptathletes are already in the portal. UGA's going to allocate a lot more scholarship money to sprints under Smith-Gilbert; wherever Petros lands would do the opposite. Would actually be really good for Oregon. While the two models are equally good to compete nationally, UGA's model isn't competitive at conference meets - Oregon would win the PAC in perpetuity (not that they already aren't on the men's side). This would also be a good opportunity for someone like UCLA or the Arizona schools to rebuild their sprint & hurdle teams. Yeah, one of the more interesting things about track and cross country to me is that the limited number of scholarships forces schools to prioritize different event groups. There are some exceptions (Oregon women in 2017 and Arkansas women in 2019--the only two triple crown winners on the women's side), but in general, the schools that win cross country national championships are not the same schools that win indoor and outdoor track national championships. Like the 2015 New Mexico women's cross country team is probably the greatest in the history of the sport. The Lobos would never win a title at indoors or outdoors. Or on the men's side, Northern Arizona currently has a dynasty in cross country but are not a threat at all at indoors or outdoors. Yup. Most of the distance programs are distance-only (particularly the high-altitude teams in the Mountain West that are maximizing their geographic advantage) or at least heavily lean that way. Oregon and Arkansas are the only two programs, for history and other reasons, that even try to compete across the board. Alabama might be trying to do that too. Most of the "full" track & field programs (A&M, LSU, Florida, Texas, SC) don't even try to do distance. SC doesn't have a single scholarship dollar going to anyone above 800 m. With 21 events, most coaches are just trying to keep their jobs by being really specialized and being able to claim a couple of high finishers. ASU just got two Top 10 finishes almost exclusively from throws. Kentucky basically just does hurdles, etc., and then you'll have some mid-majors that are just pole vault or something.
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