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Post by bbg95 on Jun 16, 2021 13:21:41 GMT -5
Yeah, one of the more interesting things about track and cross country to me is that the limited number of scholarships forces schools to prioritize different event groups. There are some exceptions (Oregon women in 2017 and Arkansas women in 2019--the only two triple crown winners on the women's side), but in general, the schools that win cross country national championships are not the same schools that win indoor and outdoor track national championships. Like the 2015 New Mexico women's cross country team is probably the greatest in the history of the sport. The Lobos would never win a title at indoors or outdoors. Or on the men's side, Northern Arizona currently has a dynasty in cross country but are not a threat at all at indoors or outdoors. Yup. Most of the distance programs are distance-only (particularly the high-altitude teams in the Mountain West that are maximizing their geographic advantage) or at least heavily lean that way. Oregon and Arkansas are the only two programs, for history and other reasons, that even try to compete across the board. Alabama might be trying to do that too. Most of the "full" track & field programs (A&M, LSU, Florida, Texas, SC) don't even try to do distance. SC doesn't have a single scholarship dollar going to anyone above 800 m. With 21 events, most coaches are just trying to keep their jobs by being really specialized and being able to claim a couple of high finishers. ASU just got two Top 10 finishes almost exclusively from throws. Kentucky basically just does hurdles, etc., and then you'll have some mid-majors that are just pole vault or something. Yeah, even among P5 schools, there are programs that are very heavily focused on distance (e.g. Colorado, NC State, Oklahoma State). It makes sense. If you're Colorado, you're not going to beat out Oregon or USC at indoors or outdoors, but you can definitely beat them at cross country many years.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 16, 2021 14:57:22 GMT -5
For this award, the team finishes at each national meet are added up, and the school with the lowest score wins. So for example, the BYU women were first at cross country nationals, seventh at indoors and 10th at outdoors, so 1 + 7 + 10 = 18 points. The Arkansas women were second with a first-place finish at indoors, 10th at cross country nationals and 15th at outdoors (1 + 10 + 15 = 26 points). It seems like this award heavily favors schools that have good distance programs because only 31 teams get invited to cross country nationals, so you're effectively ineligible if you ignore cross country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 15:25:33 GMT -5
What happened to Tori Bowie?
Is Mu a better 800 runner than 400?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 16, 2021 15:38:26 GMT -5
What happened to Tori Bowie? Is Mu a better 800 runner than 400? She considers the 800 her primary event. At this point, it's pretty clear she could be highly successful doing either (or both). I wouldn't be surprised to see her on the US 4x400 relay team, even though she's only running the 800 at trials.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 16, 2021 15:45:07 GMT -5
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 16, 2021 15:49:47 GMT -5
What happened to Tori Bowie? Is Mu a better 800 runner than 400? She considers the 800 her primary event. At this point, it's pretty clear she could be highly successful doing either (or both). I wouldn't be surprised to see her on the US 4x400 relay team, even though she's only running the 800 at trials. Agreed on all counts. She's still really young (she turned 19 last week), so I wouldn't be surprised if Mu adds the 400 for Paris in 2024. Edit: In this video, she talks about a lot of this stuff, and it's clear that she has the personality to be a huge star in the next few Olympics (obviously, she also has to win some medals for that to happen, but she clearly has the potential to do that). I expect NBC to talk about her a lot in Tokyo.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 16, 2021 15:51:56 GMT -5
She considers the 800 her primary event. At this point, it's pretty clear she could be highly successful doing either (or both). I wouldn't be surprised to see her on the US 4x400 relay team, even though she's only running the 800 at trials. Agreed on all counts. She's still really young (she turned 19 last week), so I wouldn't be surprised if Mu adds the 400 for Paris in 2024. I'll be shocked if she doesn't turn pro after Trials.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 16, 2021 15:54:22 GMT -5
Agreed on all counts. She's still really young (she turned 19 last week), so I wouldn't be surprised if Mu adds the 400 for Paris in 2024. I'll be shocked if she doesn't turn pro after Trials. Agreed. I expect her to get a lot of interest in Tokyo due to both her talent and also how personable she is. There's no reason to not turn pro.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 16, 2021 16:11:37 GMT -5
In other news, Iowa State has parted ways with their track director. Maybe the new one can teach Kiptoo how to run tactical races.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 16, 2021 16:37:18 GMT -5
In other news, Iowa State has parted ways with their track director. Maybe the new one can teach Kiptoo how to run tactical races. He used to coach at Oregon.... we got immediately better after he left.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 12:51:32 GMT -5
Houlihan is allowed to run at trials according to local news here
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 17, 2021 13:21:57 GMT -5
Houlihan is allowed to run at trials according to local news here Looks like her last appeal is still pending, so she can run, and if she wins the appeal and qualifies at the trials, she would be on the team. I think. I'm a bit surprised because I thought the CAS was the last stop, but it seems that decisions from that court can be appealed to the Swiss Supreme Court. I would think that this is still a real longshot for her, but it's not unprecedented for a CAS decision to be overturned. I guess she might as well try. I also think it might be possible that even if she doesn't win the appeal outright, she might have her penalty reduced by a year or so to allow her to compete in 2024.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 17, 2021 16:10:50 GMT -5
USC has decided to promote Quincy Watts to director. This suggests that USC will still be focused primarily on sprints and hurdles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 18:22:30 GMT -5
shade.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 17, 2021 18:32:04 GMT -5
The suggestion on the part of Layden that performance-enhancing drugs aren't also part of swimming is laughable. To be fair, maybe he just means that a high-profile American swimmer hasn't just gotten popped. And that's true as far as I know. But swimming is hardly a pure sport.
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