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Post by bbg95 on Jul 2, 2021 17:47:38 GMT -5
Here's the entire interview with Sha'Carri:
After watching this, I like her even more than I did already. She offered an explanation for what happened but not an excuse. She took responsibility for her mistake and didn't try to claim that she had been wronged, which is more than I can say about a lot of athletes. I also liked at the end when she said this will be the last Olympics that the US won't bring home the gold medal in the women's 100m. I love her confidence. I've been on the Sha'Carri bandwagon ever since she ran that blistering 10.75 to break the collegiate record at NCAA outdoors in 2019, and I won't be jumping off anytime soon.
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Post by jayj79 on Jul 2, 2021 21:29:32 GMT -5
In 2011, WADA published a paper in Sports Medicine discussing the reasons marijuana and cannabinoids meet the criteria. Below are excerpts from this publication that address the three criteria: 1. “Athletes who smoke cannabis or Spice in-competition potentially endanger themselves and others because of increased risk taking, slower reaction times and poor executive function or decision making.” 2. “Based on current animal and human studies as well as on interviews with athletes and information from the field, cannabis can be performance enhancing for some athletes and sports disciplines.” 3. “Use of illicit drugs that are harmful to health and that may have performance-enhancing properties is not consistent with the athlete as a role model for young people around the world”. www.usada.org/athletes/substances/marijuana-faq/Hmm, okay. I guess that would explain why it's banned in competition. Of course, many of these arguments could also be made about alcohol or tobacco. I'm guessing that it will be removed from the list at some point, but either way, she should have known better. alcohol is just as dangerous as pot, potentially even more so. imagine if they suspended anyone who tested positive for alcohol outside of competition.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 2, 2021 21:37:19 GMT -5
Hmm, okay. I guess that would explain why it's banned in competition. Of course, many of these arguments could also be made about alcohol or tobacco. I'm guessing that it will be removed from the list at some point, but either way, she should have known better. alcohol is just as dangerous as pot, potentially even more so. imagine if they suspended anyone who tested positive for alcohol outside of competition. Well, just to clarify, marijuana is not banned out of competition. It's banned in competition, which is what she got popped for.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 2, 2021 21:43:11 GMT -5
McNeal's suspension was upheld. Gabi Cunningham is taking the spot. I read the Rollins-McNeal decision. She apparently altered three different doctor's notes to try to explain a missed test. Yeah, that will get you banned.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 2, 2021 23:24:29 GMT -5
Who could have predicted that a couple of retired football players (with track backgrounds) would have the best take on the situation? This conversation was absolutely brilliant, and Acho's arguments actually got me to change my mind and convinced me that marijuana should stay banned in competition.
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Post by akbar on Jul 4, 2021 7:26:55 GMT -5
Who could have predicted that a couple of retired football players (with track backgrounds) would have the best take on the situation? This conversation was absolutely brilliant, and Acho's arguments actually got me to change my mind and convinced me that marijuana should stay banned in competition. You will not see her in Tokyo at all. Every Olympic athlete knows they test for it. USA policy is not the problem. Marijuana will be removed from the WADA list within the next 3 years I think. Marijuana will become recommended by certain doctors for pain and rehab from injuries for athletes soon I would imagine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 13:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by n00b on Jul 4, 2021 17:11:45 GMT -5
Who could have predicted that a couple of retired football players (with track backgrounds) would have the best take on the situation? This conversation was absolutely brilliant, and Acho's arguments actually got me to change my mind and convinced me that marijuana should stay banned in competition. You will not see her in Tokyo at all. Every Olympic athlete knows they test for it. USA policy is not the problem. Marijuana will be removed from the WADA list within the next 3 years I think. Marijuana will become recommended by certain doctors for pain and rehab from injuries for athletes soon I would imagine. It's literally only banned DURING the competition. It would not affect any sort of rehab "prescriptions". I don't think it's a bad rule to not allow athletes to compete while high.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 4, 2021 20:48:43 GMT -5
I'm not as lenient on Sha'carri as others (like come on girl, just wait 48 hours), but this still made me lol.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 4, 2021 21:19:07 GMT -5
You will not see her in Tokyo at all. Every Olympic athlete knows they test for it. USA policy is not the problem. Marijuana will be removed from the WADA list within the next 3 years I think. Marijuana will become recommended by certain doctors for pain and rehab from injuries for athletes soon I would imagine. It's literally only banned DURING the competition. It would not affect any sort of rehab "prescriptions". I don't think it's a bad rule to not allow athletes to compete while high. Can one be using alcohol and competing? Genuinely curious, and wonder if your opinion is any different on that. A quick search says they changed that ruling on alcohol recently and it is allowed, but I could be wrong. And, I’m not sure competing while high is what you mean to say, because, that wouldn’t really be what the rule is. 48 hours is a long time — not like the high lasts long. Some people only smoke at night or after competitions, in this case I would think. I would be surprised if she smoked within a couple hours of competition but could be wrong. I saw the excerpt earlier talking about risk taking being the rationale for not allowing marijuana. Maybe speaking from personal experience or not, but, I’m willing to bet most people are 10000x more willing to take risks from being drunk vs. being high.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 4, 2021 21:52:40 GMT -5
It's literally only banned DURING the competition. It would not affect any sort of rehab "prescriptions". I don't think it's a bad rule to not allow athletes to compete while high. Can one be using alcohol and competing? Genuinely curious, and wonder if your opinion is any different on that. A quick search says they changed that ruling on alcohol recently and it is allowed, but I could be wrong. And, I’m not sure competing while high is what you mean to say, because, that wouldn’t really be what the rule is. 48 hours is a long time — not like the high lasts long. Some people only smoke at night or after competitions, in this case I would think. I would be surprised if she smoked within a couple hours of competition but could be wrong. I saw the excerpt earlier talking about risk taking being the rationale for not allowing marijuana. Maybe speaking from personal experience or not, but, I’m willing to bet most people are 10000x more willing to take risks from being drunk vs. being high. Yeah, that is my understanding, though in some sports where alcohol is actually performance enhancing (e.g. archery), it is still banned. I've never really heard of a track athlete competing drunk, as it seems like that would only inhibit performance. From what I understand, the level they test marijuana for is actually pretty high. It used to be 15 nanograms per milliliter, but it was increased tenfold to 150 ng/ml. Now, I'm not an expert on marijuana, so I'm not sure how high you need to be to fail a test at that level, but states that have legal limits for driving are all at 5 ng/ml, which is 1/30th of the level needed to fail the in-competition test. I did find an article in which the marijuana website Leafly described the 150 ng/ml limit as "shockingly reasonable." This makes me think that she probably consumed the marijuana pretty close to when she actually competed in order to record that reading on the test. Edit: After doing some more research, I found this excerpt from another article: In the same article, the WADA spokesman said that the intent of raising the threshold was to catch in-competition use only instead of residual levels from use days or weeks earlier or from second-hand smoke, which was the claim of the Canadian snowboarder that had his medal stripped.
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Post by n00b on Jul 4, 2021 22:17:32 GMT -5
It's literally only banned DURING the competition. It would not affect any sort of rehab "prescriptions". I don't think it's a bad rule to not allow athletes to compete while high. Can one be using alcohol and competing? Genuinely curious, and wonder if your opinion is any different on that. A quick search says they changed that ruling on alcohol recently and it is allowed, but I could be wrong. And, I’m not sure competing while high is what you mean to say, because, that wouldn’t really be what the rule is. 48 hours is a long time — not like the high lasts long. Some people only smoke at night or after competitions, in this case I would think. I would be surprised if she smoked within a couple hours of competition but could be wrong. I saw the excerpt earlier talking about risk taking being the rationale for not allowing marijuana. Maybe speaking from personal experience or not, but, I’m willing to bet most people are 10000x more willing to take risks from being drunk vs. being high. I absolutely think if an athlete showed up for a competition drunk they should be disqualified and suspended.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 22:21:43 GMT -5
can someone explain the natural testosterone thing to me? (the runners that were suspended from Namibia plus Semenya)
why is it an issue if its "natural" or is that another thing that can be "cheated"
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 4, 2021 22:50:32 GMT -5
can someone explain the natural testosterone thing to me? (the runners that were suspended from Namibia plus Semenya) why is it an issue if its "natural" or is that another thing that can be "cheated" There is a small subset of people who are born intersex with ambiguous genitalia or who have some other sexual development disorder (f.ex., undescended testes) and are assigned female at birth. However, because of their development, such athletes will have male sexual glands producing hormones way in advance of cisgendered women and will get an extreme athletic advantage from it.
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Post by n00b on Jul 5, 2021 0:05:49 GMT -5
can someone explain the natural testosterone thing to me? (the runners that were suspended from Namibia plus Semenya) why is it an issue if its "natural" or is that another thing that can be "cheated" There is a small subset of people who are born intersex with ambiguous genitalia or who have some other sexual development disorder (f.ex., undescended testes) and are assigned female at birth. However, because of their development, such athletes will have male sexual glands producing hormones way in advance of cisgendered women and will get an extreme athletic advantage from it. Do we know that's what's happening with these Namibian runners? I know it is well-documented that's the case with Caster Semenya, but wasn't sure if we knew that in this new case.
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