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Post by trojansc on Jul 20, 2021 19:41:17 GMT -5
That Purdue team lost to freakin' Iowa. Drew’s did not play that night. Iowa had one of their better teams in 2014. Man, there is some serious revisionist history going on in here. Iowa had SIXTEEN matches against teams that were better than Purdue. They were swept 15(!!) of those 16 matches. 0-16 record. 2-48 SET record. Iowa won 2 of 50 sets against those teams ranked 1-54. |
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 20, 2021 19:44:27 GMT -5
They we’re totally robbed and Dave and most all PURDUE fans were pissed! Another reason why RPI should only be a part of the selection process and not so much the end all be all. They were ranked #19 in the country going into those last two losses against MS and #2 WI. They finished 5th in the B1G. MS was a tough loss but it’s not like MS had a losing record in the B1G or overall. Purdue had two T25 wins and 5 T50 RPI wins and beat another 5 teams who did make the tourney. Hell, the PAC had like 10 teams in that year including USC who finished 15-15! The PURDUE shun was one of the worst I’ve seen in recent years. Worst you've seen? That makes no sense. Your 'facts' aren't right. Purdue's best win was #34 in RPI Ohio State. They had 0 T25 wins and 4 T50 wins, not 2 and 5, like you say. Also... what a weird flex about USC. USC beat #14 Kentucky on the road, #16 Arizona on the road, and #24 Creighton (3 T25 wins). They beat 6 OTHER Top 50 teams. Purdue also lost to 3 teams outside the T50, USC only lost to one. Go check the sheets yourself and try to convince yourself it was still a snub. You can complain about RPI, and it has its flaws, but Purdue played 9/12 non-conference matches against teams ranked 100+. That's on Purdue. And they lost one of those 100+ matches..... extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/VB%20Team%20Sheets%20thru%20Nov%2029%202014.pdfPurdue finished 5th in the B1G because they got the worst 3 B1G teams twice (half of their wins in the B1G were Maryland, Indiana, Rutgers). They played 4 of the Top 5 B1G teams once, which is why unbalanced schedules happen and thus mean the committee doesn't really care about conference standing. Winning on the road has also shown to be important for bubble teams, and Purdue didn't do that. They beat 1 Top 100 team on the road (#81 Northwestern in 5 sets)... Ready with them facts! |
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Post by trojansc on Jul 20, 2021 19:47:14 GMT -5
Purdue wasn't robbed. There were even two Big Ten teams that didn't make the tournament ahead of them in RPI (Minnesota and Michigan, and Michigan State was also ahead obviously, who was the last team in and arguably *shouldn't* have made the tournament.) The most worthy team that didn't make the field was Pacific. Pacific a better RPI, 4 T50 RPI wins, and didn't lose to anyone outside T50 (Purdue had 3, including #100 and #119). Purdue wasn't better in any measure really. I could be wrong, it was some time ago, but I don't think Purdue fans on here were surprised or claiming they were robbed at all. I think Shondell may have on Twitter. Yeah, I don't think many were shocked. Heading into the last week of B1G conference play, we knew we had to beat an unranked Michigan State and #2 Wisconsin to make the tourney. We lost to both in sweeps. Correct. Minnesota had a better chance of making the tournament. |
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Post by trojansc on Jul 20, 2021 19:49:36 GMT -5
It's been too long since we argue about who makes the tournament and who is a snub and not, and 2020 didn't really count for that, though I did dramatize the Florida State snub. Maryland 2017 -- now that was a SNUB. |
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Post by redcard on Jul 20, 2021 19:49:59 GMT -5
They we’re totally robbed and Dave and most all PURDUE fans were pissed! Another reason why RPI should only be a part of the selection process and not so much the end all be all. They were ranked #19 in the country going into those last two losses against MS and #2 WI. They finished 5th in the B1G. MS was a tough loss but it’s not like MS had a losing record in the B1G or overall. Purdue had two T25 wins and 5 T50 RPI wins and beat another 5 teams who did make the tourney. Hell, the PAC had like 10 teams in that year including USC who finished 15-15! The PURDUE shun was one of the worst I’ve seen in recent years. Worst you've seen? That makes no sense. Your 'facts' aren't right. Purdue's best win was #34 in RPI Ohio State. They had 0 T25 wins and 4 T50 wins, not 2 and 5, like you say. Also... what a weird flex about USC. USC beat #14 Kentucky on the road, #16 Arizona on the road, and #24 Creighton (3 T25 wins). They beat 6 OTHER Top 50 teams. Purdue also lost to 3 teams outside the T50, USC only lost to one. Go check the sheets yourself and try to convince yourself it was still a snub. You can complain about RPI, and it has its flaws, but Purdue played 9/12 non-conference matches against teams ranked 100+. That's on Purdue. And they lost one of those 100+ matches..... extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/VB%20Team%20Sheets%20thru%20Nov%2029%202014.pdfPurdue finished 5th in the B1G because they got the worst 3 B1G teams twice (half of their wins in the B1G were Maryland, Indiana, Rutgers). They played 4 of the Top 5 B1G teams once, which is why unbalanced schedules happen and thus mean the committee doesn't really care about conference standing. Winning on the road has also shown to be important for bubble teams, and Purdue didn't do that. They beat 1 Top 100 team on the road (#81 Northwestern in 5 sets)... In 2014 they beat #14 San Diego and #22 Ohio State. Pretty sure that equals 2?? |
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Post by Kingsley on Jul 20, 2021 19:52:27 GMT -5
Worst you've seen? That makes no sense. Your 'facts' aren't right. Purdue's best win was #34 in RPI Ohio State. They had 0 T25 wins and 4 T50 wins, not 2 and 5, like you say. Also... what a weird flex about USC. USC beat #14 Kentucky on the road, #16 Arizona on the road, and #24 Creighton (3 T25 wins). They beat 6 OTHER Top 50 teams. Purdue also lost to 3 teams outside the T50, USC only lost to one. Go check the sheets yourself and try to convince yourself it was still a snub. You can complain about RPI, and it has its flaws, but Purdue played 9/12 non-conference matches against teams ranked 100+. That's on Purdue. And they lost one of those 100+ matches..... extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/VB%20Team%20Sheets%20thru%20Nov%2029%202014.pdfPurdue finished 5th in the B1G because they got the worst 3 B1G teams twice (half of their wins in the B1G were Maryland, Indiana, Rutgers). They played 4 of the Top 5 B1G teams once, which is why unbalanced schedules happen and thus mean the committee doesn't really care about conference standing. Winning on the road has also shown to be important for bubble teams, and Purdue didn't do that. They beat 1 Top 100 team on the road (#81 Northwestern in 5 sets)... In 2014 they beat #14 San Diego and #22 Ohio State. Pretty sure that equals 2?? That's AVCA, not RPI. |
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Post by trojansc on Jul 20, 2021 19:56:03 GMT -5
In 2014 they beat #14 San Diego and #22 Ohio State. Pretty sure that equals 2?? That's AVCA, not RPI. That's also ranking at the time. San Diego was not the #14 best team in the country by ANY measure. San Diego was unranked after Week 6 through the conclusion of the season. Ohio State did finish T25 in the Final AVCA poll though. (#13). Works Cited: www.avca.org/polls/di-women/index.html |
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Post by redcard on Jul 20, 2021 19:58:56 GMT -5
In 2014 they beat #14 San Diego and #22 Ohio State. Pretty sure that equals 2?? That's AVCA, not RPI. Well that’s what I said originally…T25 (as in Poll) and T50 in RPI. |
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Post by redcard on Jul 20, 2021 20:01:23 GMT -5
That's also ranking at the time. San Diego was not the #14 best team in the country by ANY measure. San Diego was unranked after Week 6 through the conclusion of the season. Ohio State did finish T25 in the Final AVCA poll though. (#13). Works Cited: www.avca.org/polls/di-women/index.html wait, are you referencing end of year rankings? I referenced ranking at the time of win which I thought RPI considered - at time of win..? No? |
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Post by trojansc on Jul 20, 2021 20:05:34 GMT -5
That's also ranking at the time. San Diego was not the #14 best team in the country by ANY measure. San Diego was unranked after Week 6 through the conclusion of the season. Ohio State did finish T25 in the Final AVCA poll though. (#13). Works Cited: www.avca.org/polls/di-women/index.html wait, are you referencing end of year rankings? I referenced ranking at the time of win which I thought RPI considered - at time of win..? No? Why would it be relevant in any way to reference rankings at the time of the win, in terms of AVCA or RPI? If that's the case, Texas A&M had a win over #6 USC (15-15 record). RPI doesn't consider win at the time at all in the way you are thinking. RPI is constantly moving based on W-L and doesn't even look anything respectable until after conference play starts. You get bonuses based on significant wins and losses, but, if teams fall out of the Top 25/50 for example, you don't get that bonus anymore. |
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Post by redcard on Jul 20, 2021 20:19:19 GMT -5
wait, are you referencing end of year rankings? I referenced ranking at the time of win which I thought RPI considered - at time of win..? No? Why would it be relevant in any way to reference rankings at the time of the win, in terms of AVCA or RPI? If that's the case, Texas A&M had a win over #6 USC (15-15 record). RPI doesn't consider win at the time at all in the way you are thinking. RPI is constantly moving based on W-L and doesn't even look anything respectable until after conference play starts. You get bonuses based on significant wins and losses, but, if teams fall out of the Top 25/50 for example, you don't get that bonus anymore. It was relevant in my point that they did actually beat two T25 teams during the season. Every team references their ranked wins along the way. They don’t go back and rewrite after end of season rankings come out. Totally understand your explanation on RPI, which also reinforces how flawed it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 20:28:36 GMT -5
Why would it be relevant in any way to reference rankings at the time of the win, in terms of AVCA or RPI? If that's the case, Texas A&M had a win over #6 USC (15-15 record). RPI doesn't consider win at the time at all in the way you are thinking. RPI is constantly moving based on W-L and doesn't even look anything respectable until after conference play starts. You get bonuses based on significant wins and losses, but, if teams fall out of the Top 25/50 for example, you don't get that bonus anymore. It was relevant in my point that they did actually beat two T25 teams during the season. Every team references their ranked wins along the way. They don’t go back and rewrite after end of season rankings come out. Totally understand your explanation on RPI, which also reinforces how flawed it is. You should have just stopped when you realized you were arguing about RPI with trojansc, without knowing what RPI is. |
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Post by trojansc on Jul 20, 2021 20:32:10 GMT -5
It was relevant in my point that they did actually beat two T25 teams during the season. Every team references their ranked wins along the way. They don’t go back and rewrite after end of season rankings come out. Totally understand your explanation on RPI, which also reinforces how flawed it is. You should have just stopped when you realized you were arguing about RPI with trojansc, without knowing what RPI is.  I didn't even want to respond to that last post. Like, he says that RPI *not* valuing ranking at the time is proof that reinforces its flaw?! No, that's a good thing. You don't get credit for beating the #10 RPI team in week 5 if they end up #60 in week 13. That's how it should be.... Sorry to Purdue fans for contributing to this derailment. I really like their non-conference schedule this year and if I had to guess 16 seeds today, they'd definitely be one of them. |
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Post by redcard on Jul 20, 2021 20:40:31 GMT -5
It was relevant in my point that they did actually beat two T25 teams during the season. Every team references their ranked wins along the way. They don’t go back and rewrite after end of season rankings come out. Totally understand your explanation on RPI, which also reinforces how flawed it is. You should have just stopped when you realized you were arguing about RPI with trojansc, without knowing what RPI is. Maybe…I know what RPI is but admittedly not every algorithm and it make sense why it adjusts heavily at end of season. My original RPI point is that I disagree with its power at the committee level and believe they rely on it too heavily. No clue trojansc is the resident RPI guru. I do know you are the stat geek in group so I never question, I’ll add trojansc to my geek list. (Which is not a bad thing) meanwhile, I will always believe PURDUE deserved to be in the 2014 tourney…..Boiler Up! |
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Post by Kingsley on Jul 20, 2021 20:42:49 GMT -5
The real question regarding Purdue’s non-con schedule is whether I should draft Kari Geissberger in fantasy
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I didn't even want to respond to that last post.