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Post by lionsfan on Aug 13, 2021 21:43:46 GMT -5
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 14, 2021 3:15:11 GMT -5
And freeze out the SEC? I think 3-team series, with a Pac, B1G, and ACC team, could be a good draw. I'd love to see a Minnesota and Florida State at Hec Ed. One of the concerns is that the Big 12 could try to poach some of the Pac Schools: Colorado and Utah, maybe bring in BYU, which the Pac has shunned (but could fit in with TCU and Baylor). Even the Arizona schools could be fair game. The Pac might have to bring in Hawaii and Boise State to get their numbers up.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 14, 2021 7:59:18 GMT -5
Any scheduling alliance will certainly be football only.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 14, 2021 18:05:59 GMT -5
Any scheduling alliance will certainly be football only. The Pac and B1G have done it before for volleyball: Washington and USC vs Wisconsin and Maryland. Wisconsin canceled after one year and was replaced by Oklahoma. I believe Oregon was also involved in another series, but I've forgotten what other schools were involved.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 14, 2021 18:18:50 GMT -5
Any scheduling alliance will certainly be football only. The Pac and B1G have done it before for volleyball: Washington and USC vs Wisconsin and Maryland. Wisconsin canceled after one year and was replaced by Oklahoma. I believe Oregon was also involved in another series, but I've forgotten what other schools were involved. The PAC and B1G *coaches* did it, not the league offices.
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 14, 2021 19:35:14 GMT -5
Any scheduling alliance will certainly be football only. I don't know why expanded "challenge" type series' like the B1G-ACC challenge during non-conference seasons between the three conferences in other sports would be off the table. Football would have the biggest impact, but other sports would be beneficial as well.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 14, 2021 19:43:17 GMT -5
Any scheduling alliance will certainly be football only. I don't know why expanded "challenge" type series' like the B1G-ACC challenge during non-conference seasons between the three conferences in other sports would be off the table. Football would have the biggest impact, but other sports would be beneficial as well. The B1G/ACC challenge and Gavitt Games (BIG EAST/B1G) are creations of ESPN and Fox Sports, respectively. The leagues agreed to them, but it's the networks which drove the bus. Nothing in the reporting on a B1G/PAC/ACC "alliance" has indicated they're talking anything but football. The play from their end seems to be keeping ESPN from getting exclusive rights to the expanded CFP and at least carving out *something* for Fox, CBS (unlikely), or NBC. ESPN having a stranglehold on a 12-team playoff would be very bad for the non-SEC schools in the long run. The NBA and NFL help drive up their media rights deals by splitting them up and having Turner/ESPN and Fox/CBS/NBC/Disney bid against each other for various parts. But I could be wrong! A real deal "Challenge Cup" in volleyball would be very cool and fun.
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 14, 2021 20:05:30 GMT -5
I don't know why expanded "challenge" type series' like the B1G-ACC challenge during non-conference seasons between the three conferences in other sports would be off the table. Football would have the biggest impact, but other sports would be beneficial as well. The B1G/ACC challenge and Gavitt Games (BIG EAST/B1G) are creations of ESPN and Fox Sports, respectively. The leagues agreed to them, but it's the networks which drove the bus. Nothing in the reporting on a B1G/PAC/ACC "alliance" has indicated they're talking anything but football. The play from their end seems to be keeping ESPN from getting exclusive rights to the expanded CFP and at least carving out *something* for Fox, CBS (unlikely), or NBC. ESPN having a stranglehold on a 12-team playoff would be very bad for the non-SEC schools in the long run. The NBA and NFL help drive up their media rights deals by splitting them up and having Turner/ESPN and Fox/CBS/NBC/Disney bid against each other for various parts. But I could be wrong! A real deal "Challenge Cup" in volleyball would be very cool and fun. I agree that Football would be the likely focus. At this point, everything is fluid and speculative, and I don't think that we really know where this will end up. If the talks are successful and a wide-ranging agreement is reached, all the TV packages (with the possible exception of the ESPN SEC contract) could have more value.
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Post by horns1 on Aug 14, 2021 20:50:06 GMT -5
Seems like it's more a ploy to try to form a voting alliance (for issues such as the College Football Playoff) than anything else. I mean, if they were really trying to create more enticing football content, what would it really add per year to get FOX and/or ESPN to pay more TV money?
Ohio State vs USC Penn State vs Clemson Michigan vs Oregon
What other football teams (at the moment) would move the needle for these type of inter-conference games?
And, the majority of schools already have contracts to play their marquee non-conference games for the next 8 years or so.
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 14, 2021 21:27:48 GMT -5
Seems like it's more a ploy to try to form a voting alliance (for issues such as the College Football Playoff) than anything else. I mean, if they were really trying to create more enticing football content, what would it really add per year to get FOX and/or ESPN to pay more TV money? Ohio State vs USC Penn State vs Clemson Michigan vs Oregon What other football teams (at the moment) would move the needle for these type of inter-conference games? And, the majority of schools already have contracts to play their marquee non-conference games for the next 8 years or so. A lot of the game contracts have buyout clauses and if the schools thought they could make up the money in the long term with more TV revenue they might be willing to do that.
There might be a little addition by subtraction going on as well.
A lot of viewers will watch their local team even if they aren't one of the top 10 teams in the nation. If this alliance has the West, Midwest, Northeast and part of the southeast, that is a lot of eyeballs. And if for example the conferences agreed to play one team from each of the two conferences as non-conference matchups, the SEC would likely have to choose from Notre Dame, the remaining Big 12, or second tier schools to play in the non-conference schedule.
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Post by horns1 on Aug 14, 2021 21:51:15 GMT -5
Seems like it's more a ploy to try to form a voting alliance (for issues such as the College Football Playoff) than anything else. I mean, if they were really trying to create more enticing football content, what would it really add per year to get FOX and/or ESPN to pay more TV money? Ohio State vs USC Penn State vs Clemson Michigan vs Oregon What other football teams (at the moment) would move the needle for these type of inter-conference games? And, the majority of schools already have contracts to play their marquee non-conference games for the next 8 years or so. A lot of the game contracts have buyout clauses and if the schools thought they could make up the money in the long term with more TV revenue they might be willing to do that.
There might be a little addition by subtraction going on as well.
A lot of viewers will watch their local team even if they aren't one of the top 10 teams in the nation. If this alliance has the West, Midwest, Northeast and part of the southeast, that is a lot of eyeballs. And if for example the conferences agreed to play one team from each of the two conferences as non-conference matchups, the SEC would likely have to choose from Notre Dame, the remaining Big 12, or second tier schools to play in the non-conference schedule.
I can't agree that it's a lot of eyeballs for football games involving more than 75% of teams in those 3 conferences, especially with hypothetical matchups like: Iowa vs Washington State Purdue vs Oregon State Arizona vs Georgia Tech Arizona State vs Duke Rutgers vs Wake Forest Stanford vs Northwestern Cal vs Illinois Indiana vs Syracuse Maryland vs Colorado Virginia vs Utah Each of those conferences currently has 2-3 football programs that bring in better than decent TV ratings. The B1G probably has 1-2 more than the other conferences with Nebraska and Wisconsin having a large fan base. But, that's it. And, those marquee football programs from those 3 conferences can't play each other every season, so the well dries up fast on attractive non-conference matchups.
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Post by G&W on Aug 14, 2021 22:19:02 GMT -5
This is getting ridiculous.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 14, 2021 22:56:14 GMT -5
If it's not actual merging of conferences, does the alliance get each conference involved in the alliance a bigger TV deal when their contracts come due -- which is soon for the B1G and Pac-12?
It's an interesting issue. I agree with making a move in light of the expanded SEC - short of more conference realignment. On the other hand, maybe big, bold alignment moves is what needs to happen. Can never know the right choice at the time -- have to see how it works out.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 14, 2021 23:06:26 GMT -5
All of the VB-centric peeps on VT...hoping for inclusion of our sport into what inevitably will be a SCHEDULING alliance...need to remember football's the dog wagging the tail here!
Not the other way around. Anything women's volleyball-related will be down the ol' totem.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 14, 2021 23:28:07 GMT -5
All of the VB-centric peeps on VT...hoping for inclusion of our sport into what inevitably will be a SCHEDULING alliance...need to remember football's the dog wagging the tail here! Not the other way around. Anything women's volleyball-related will be down the ol' totem. Right. Unless there's actual conference realignment, there will be no scheduling changes in non-football sports. The "alliance" won't trickle down.
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