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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 21, 2021 15:32:21 GMT -5
I don't disagree. I think this fits with their 'branding' - but the alliance is all about power. It is a smart move for those 3 conferences to act as one and hold 'power' over the SEC in terms of the future of college football. That power only exists as long as all the members of those 3 conferences stay united. The only way they stay united is if they collectively negotiate a contract in the vicinity of the new SEC contract. If the three conferences continue to have different TV contracts and the Big 10 contract remains significantly higher, unity won't last long. No matter what BS gets issued in press statements, this is all about money. Certainly not about how many sports the schools have. I don't think this is all about TV contracts and short term money. I think it is about who controls a new football playoff rules. Who controls various other rules. Which does/may get to long term money. If this alliance stays united - there will not be a football playoff system that will have 9 of the 12 teams coming from the SEC. May block them from getting 6 or 7 of the 12.
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Post by jgoodson on Aug 24, 2021 15:55:25 GMT -5
The Big Ten, Pac 12, ACC alliance was announced today at 2:00 pm eastern. The news conference was carried on the Big Ten Network. Below are excerpts from the press release for the alliance put out by the Big Ten (link included). bigten.org/news/2021/8/24/general-acc-big-ten-and-pac-12-announce-historic-alliance.aspxGREENSBORO, NC & ROSEMONT, IL & SAN FRANCISCO, CA – The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 today announced an historic alliance that will bring 41 world-class institutions together on a collaborative approach surrounding the future evolution of college athletics and scheduling. The alliance – which was unanimously supported by the presidents, chancellors and athletics directors at all 41 institutions – will be guided in all cases by a commitment to, and prioritization of, supporting student-athlete well-being, academic and athletic opportunities, experiences and diverse educational programming. The three conferences are grounded in their support of broad-based athletic programs, the collegiate model and opportunities for student-athletes as part of the educational missions of the institutions. The alliance includes a scheduling component for football and women’s and men’s basketball designed to create new inter-conference games, enhance opportunities for student-athletes, and optimize the college athletics experience for both student-athletes and fans across the country. The scheduling alliance will begin as soon as practical while honoring current contractual obligations. A working group comprised of athletic directors representing the three conferences will oversee the scheduling component of the alliance, including determining the criteria upon which scheduling decisions will be made. All three leagues and their respective institutions understand that scheduling decisions will be an evolutionary process given current scheduling commitments. The three conferences will also explore opportunities for the vast and exceptional Olympic Sports programs to compete more frequently and forge additional attractive and meaningful rivalries. Also included below is a Youtube video of the Press Conference announcing the alliance as carried by the Big Ten Network. Some points of interest for a vball fan. At 6:00 minutes, Jim Phillips, the ACC commissioner, during his opening remarks talked about the potential for “unique collaborative events for our Olympic sports.” At 11:08, Kevin Warren, the Big Ten commissioner, during his opening remarks, discussed “creating ways from an Olympic sports standpoint that we all can work together”. At 20:18 during the Q&A, there was a question about timeline that Kevin Warren answered. In his answer, he mentions the Big Ten, Pac 12 vball relationship along with the Big Ten/ACC basketball challenge as existing events. Toward the end of his answer (22:10), he talks about exploring “to see if there is opportunity to build early season, mid season tournaments or unique games that will come together”. Not a lot of specifics. A near term goal of the alliance appears be for the conferences to increase their collective influence in advance of the NCAA constitution convention to be held in November so they can better shape the outcome to their liking. Will be interesting to see how things work out.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 24, 2021 16:03:52 GMT -5
The Big Ten, Pac 12, ACC alliance was announced today at 2:00 pm eastern. The news conference was carried on the Big Ten Network. Below are excerpts from the press release for the alliance put out by the Big Ten (link included). Read that this presser was happening today...this whole deal was thrown together pretty fast, in response to the SEC...and as a lifelong Pac-12 guy I'm pleasantly pleased + impressed. Some of the above quotes are bureaucrats' BS, but still....
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Post by azvolleydad on Aug 24, 2021 16:17:02 GMT -5
The Big Ten, Pac 12, ACC alliance was announced today at 2:00 pm eastern. The news conference was carried on the Big Ten Network. Below are excerpts from the press release for the alliance put out by the Big Ten (link included). Read that this presser was happening today...this whole deal was thrown together pretty fast, in response to the SEC...and as a lifelong Pac-12 guy I'm pleasantly pleased + impressed. Some of the above quotes are bureaucrats' BS, but still.... I'm not sure what's impressive about it. Basically, all that has happened is that the three remaining power conferences have agreed to do something to stop the SEC from taking over completely. There are no details because they haven't worked anything out:
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 24, 2021 16:21:56 GMT -5
Blah blah, word salad.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 24, 2021 16:34:05 GMT -5
That press release is the fluffiest of buzzword-filled fluff. I'm not saying that the alliance couldn't be a good thing, but the press release is a big eye roll.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 24, 2021 16:44:48 GMT -5
That press release is the fluffiest of buzzword-filled fluff. I'm not saying that the alliance couldn't be a good thing, but the press release is a big eye roll. Yeah, it was basically "we are a group of good people who support good causes."
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 24, 2021 16:44:52 GMT -5
That press release is the fluffiest of buzzword-filled fluff. I'm not saying that the alliance won't be a good thing, but the press release is a big eye roll. Yeah....What I was referring to in my post a few listings up is this stopping the SEC from overly expanding, and then monopolizing, the new CFP playoffs. Before our resident curmudgeons and contrarians decided to jump/pounce, I have been following this on SwimSwam magazine where they have detailed it with more specifics. As I said, many of these quotes are "bureaucrats' BS". Where this is heading though is going to be pretty amazing IMO, if they can improve Olympic sports' profiles!
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 24, 2021 16:52:51 GMT -5
That press release is the fluffiest of buzzword-filled fluff. I'm not saying that the alliance won't be a good thing, but the press release is a big eye roll. Yeah....What I was referring to in my post a few listings up is this stopping the SEC from overly expanding, and then monopolizing, the new CFP playoffs. Before our resident curmudgeons and contrarians decided to jump/pounce, I have been following this on SwimSwam magazine where they have detailed it with more specifics. As I said, many of the quotes are "bureaucrats' BS". Where this is heading, though, is going to be pretty amazing, IMO, if they can improve Olympic sports' profiles! From the SwimSwam article:
“There’s no signed contract,” Kliavkoff said. “There’s an agreement among three gentlemen and a commitment from 41 presidents and chancellors and 41 athletic directors to do what we say we’re going to do.”
I wonder if anyone will regret not having a signed agreement. Granted, it all still has to be worked out, so a more definitive plan will certainly be developed -- the only question is whether the plan becomes a binding contract. I get that they all want to combat the SEC and they're all unified right now -- but over time people get other ideas, change their mind. I think they want to do something, but really aren't sure what they have to do yet, which makes sense. It's certainly interesting.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 24, 2021 16:57:11 GMT -5
Yeah....What I was referring to in my post a few listings up is this stopping the SEC from overly expanding, and then monopolizing, the new CFP playoffs. Before our resident curmudgeons and contrarians decided to jump/pounce, I have been following this on SwimSwam magazine where they have detailed it with more specifics. As I said, many of the quotes are "bureaucrats' BS". Where this is heading, though, is going to be pretty amazing, IMO, if they can improve Olympic sports' profiles! From the SwimSwam article:
“There’s no signed contract,” Kliavkoff said. “There’s an agreement among three gentlemen and a commitment from 41 presidents and chancellors and 41 athletic directors to do what we say we’re going to do.”
I wonder if anyone will regret not having a signed agreement. Granted, it all still has to be worked out, so a more definitive plan will certainly be developed -- the only question is whether the plan becomes a binding contract. I get that they all want to combat the SEC and they're all unified right now -- but over time people get other ideas, change their mind. I think they want to do something, but really aren't sure what they have to do yet, which makes sense. It's certainly interesting.
These are lifelong businesspeople, one a Vegas corporate-type who was installed as a new commish, who will get binding contracts signed. The SEC threat is real.
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Post by horns1 on Aug 24, 2021 18:37:16 GMT -5
In football, I'm sure Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan are going to be thrilled about giving up the revenue from a typical non-conference home game and be forced to hit the road occasionally to play at destinations like Wake Forest, Washington, State, Washington State, Oregon State, etc.
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Post by stevehorn on Aug 24, 2021 18:53:58 GMT -5
From the SwimSwam article:
“There’s no signed contract,” Kliavkoff said. “There’s an agreement among three gentlemen and a commitment from 41 presidents and chancellors and 41 athletic directors to do what we say we’re going to do.”
I wonder if anyone will regret not having a signed agreement. Granted, it all still has to be worked out, so a more definitive plan will certainly be developed -- the only question is whether the plan becomes a binding contract. I get that they all want to combat the SEC and they're all unified right now -- but over time people get other ideas, change their mind. I think they want to do something, but really aren't sure what they have to do yet, which makes sense. It's certainly interesting.
These are lifelong businesspeople, one a Vegas corporate-type who was installed as a new commish, who will get binding contracts signed. The SEC threat is real. Don't hold your breath on the binding contracts, at least any with actual significance.
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Post by baytree on Aug 24, 2021 19:53:55 GMT -5
These are lifelong businesspeople, one a Vegas corporate-type who was installed as a new commish, who will get binding contracts signed. The SEC threat is real. Don't hold your breath on the binding contracts, at least any with actual significance. Exactly. Negotiations fall through all the time, even when it's clearly in all parties' interest to reach a deal and even when the parties are sophisticated players. Usually they end up with an agreement of some sort but it's far from a certainty, esp if you only count an agreement that has teeth.
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 24, 2021 19:54:31 GMT -5
In football, I'm sure Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan are going to be thrilled about giving up the revenue from a typical non-conference home game and be forced to hit the road occasionally to play at destinations like Wake Forest, Washington, State, Oregon State, etc. The news release was just a bunch of vague phrases, but there was some good information in the news conference and in some news reports.
All 41 schools voted on the alliance and have agreed to this framework. They have appointed 3 AD's from each conference to start working on possible scheduling. The PAC has television contracts requiring 9 conference games in Football, so unless the networks agree to fewer conference games because they can make more money with a better interconference matchups, they will still be playing 3 non-conference games until 2025. They said that they were already doing some of this cooperation and gave the examples of the B1G-PAC 12 challenge in Volleyball and the B1G-ACC challenge in Basketball. They implied that they wanted to do more things like the challenges, both early and mid-season.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 24, 2021 20:06:44 GMT -5
In football, I'm sure Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan are going to be thrilled about giving up the revenue from a typical non-conference home game and be forced to hit the road occasionally to play at destinations like Wake Forest, Washington, State, Oregon State, etc. I assume you meant "Washington State" with no comma? Almost every year from 2002-2014 WSU played a home football game in Seattle, in the Seahawks/Sounders stadium. More WSU alumni live near Seattle than live near Pullman. In recent years, however, they have declined home/home offers from other schools who only wanted to do it if the WSU home game was in Seattle.
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