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Post by ironhammer on Jul 30, 2021 8:44:20 GMT -5
And also, I don't think we should entertain fantasies about how China can somehow pull some trick out of their bag on the brink of elimination. China may have perform some come-back-from-the-dead matches before. But that was when China still had a half-decent team. Now, they have a total collapse, mentally and athletically. Its too late for them. Don't want to make 19941129 even more heartbroken then he already is. Its just cruel to tangle slim possibilities in front of him that we know is rather unlikely to occur. Unless of course, China somehow does perform a miracle match and beat Italy 3-0 or 3-1...
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Post by VolleyTX on Jul 30, 2021 9:53:21 GMT -5
China losing their first three matches is likely the most surprising thing coming out of the olympics at this point. Shocking!
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jul 30, 2021 13:09:34 GMT -5
binsoy XAsstCoach ironhammerFirst, just to clear it up for ironhammer, no, Wang Mengjie is not the problem. Yes, she is not as good as Kobata or De Gennaro (actually the second worst libero) but pre-Olympics she's been playing much better than Lin Li or Ni Feifan. In fact I have no problem with the roster choice of Wang Mengjie. In 2018, LP forced LYY to receive when she wasn't ready and criticized her publicly during some unimportant VNL match with Korea/Poland because she made too many errors (excuse me there were like 5 olympic gold medallists on the roster why does she have so much scoring responsibility), and then left her on the bench pretty much until now. Insisted on starting ZCN even with injuries in 2018 WCh, then subbing LYY on when down like 4-5 points. You can see it this olympics with Ding Xia as well, she constantly needs to be subbed off by Yao Di but somehow Yao Di never gets the start... Made ZT play way too much in the 2018 VNL. When fans pointed out she looked tired, LP said that it's to develop her stamina. But then come to the 2021 VNL and ZCN gets subbed off practically every match that they thought they wouldn't have a chance. Just look at the energy that ZT had in Vakifbank (even the last season, when the other pins were Kelsey and an unstable Ebrar) vs in CNT. Improper roster management during the 2018 WChs. basically after the 2016 win I think she let the media praise get to her head and started thinking that she could do no wrong. But you can look up the stats and see that ZT scored 179 pts while the next highest was a middle Xu Yunli who scored like 50 something points. What are the other pins doing? the reality is that ZT carried but somehow it's the coach's genius substitutions that won matches
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jul 30, 2021 13:10:40 GMT -5
And also, I don't think we should entertain fantasies about how China can somehow pull some trick out of their bag on the brink of elimination. China may have perform some come-back-from-the-dead matches before. But that was when China still had a half-decent team. Now, they have a total collapse, mentally and athletically. Its too late for them. Don't want to make 19941129 even more heartbroken then he already is. Its just cruel to tangle slim possibilities in front of him that we know is rather unlikely to occur. Unless of course, China somehow does perform a miracle match and beat Italy 3-0 or 3-1... I'd rather they lose both their remaining matches 0-3 than win and advance to quarters. Don't want ZT and Yan Ni's injuries exacerbated. |
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Post by memorybankrupt on Jul 30, 2021 14:15:50 GMT -5
This pool is brutal. I could have easily have seen a scenario where US dropped 3 or 4 matches in pool play, so I wouldn't be so harsh on China and JLP. Turkey's OHs are playing lights out, and they have two incredible setters.
Russia is quickly ascending with Federoseva. I'd say she's more like the next Sokolova but an even higher hitting contact point.
I'd say the only big second guessing I'd have for China would be not playing their A or A minus Team enough in VNL. But if ZT isn't healthy then you can't expect big things from this team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 14:58:44 GMT -5
Still can’t wrap my head around China with Zhu Ting and Lang Ping coaching not making it out of pool play. Wtf
Well, we know Zhu had a wrist injury, which explains her performance.
As for Jenny, maybe she had a humpty-dumpty moment and fell of the mile-high podium that everyone had her sitting on before these Olympics.
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Post by midnightblue on Jul 30, 2021 15:05:04 GMT -5
Russia is quickly ascending with Federoseva. I'd say she's more like the next Sokolova but an even higher hitting contact point. Wow - the next Sokolova, really?! She's the next Kosheleva IMO. |
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Post by memorybankrupt on Jul 30, 2021 16:02:24 GMT -5
Russia is quickly ascending with Federoseva. I'd say she's more like the next Sokolova but an even higher hitting contact point. Wow - the next Sokolova, really?! She's the next Kosheleva IMO. But Fedoreseva can pass pretty well already at this young age. That’s a rarity to have a young terminator that can pass. |
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Post by Boom! on Jul 30, 2021 17:08:52 GMT -5
All the Russia Johnny-come-lately's on this thread are really entertaining. Thank you.
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 30, 2021 19:42:36 GMT -5
binsoy XAsstCoach ironhammer First, just to clear it up for ironhammer , no, Wang Mengjie is not the problem. Yes, she is not as good as Kobata or De Gennaro (actually the second worst libero) but pre-Olympics she's been playing much better than Lin Li or Ni Feifan. In fact I have no problem with the roster choice of Wang Mengjie. In 2018, LP forced LYY to receive when she wasn't ready and criticized her publicly during some unimportant VNL match with Korea/Poland because she made too many errors (excuse me there were like 5 olympic gold medallists on the roster why does she have so much scoring responsibility), and then left her on the bench pretty much until now. Insisted on starting ZCN even with injuries in 2018 WCh, then subbing LYY on when down like 4-5 points. You can see it this olympics with Ding Xia as well, she constantly needs to be subbed off by Yao Di but somehow Yao Di never gets the start... Made ZT play way too much in the 2018 VNL. When fans pointed out she looked tired, LP said that it's to develop her stamina. But then come to the 2021 VNL and ZCN gets subbed off practically every match that they thought they wouldn't have a chance. Just look at the energy that ZT had in Vakifbank (even the last season, when the other pins were Kelsey and an unstable Ebrar) vs in CNT. Improper roster management during the 2018 WChs. basically after the 2016 win I think she let the media praise get to her head and started thinking that she could do no wrong. But you can look up the stats and see that ZT scored 179 pts while the next highest was a middle Xu Yunli who scored like 50 something points. What are the other pins doing? the reality is that ZT carried but somehow it's the coach's genius substitutions that won matches Not sure if I would call that shenegians. Maybe you can criticize that as coaching errors or bad calls. Shenegians would be politics and sabotage, like what Korea was up to pre-Olympics with the twins. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 30, 2021 19:43:47 GMT -5
Still can’t wrap my head around China with Zhu Ting and Lang Ping coaching not making it out of pool play. Wtf
Well, we know Zhu had a wrist injury, which explains her performance.
As for Jenny, maybe she had a humpty-dumpty moment and fell of the mile-high podium that everyone had her sitting on before these Olympics.
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She is human like anyone else. Just like how the excessive criticism against Karch on here skewered perception... |
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Post by kc8413 on Jul 30, 2021 19:47:28 GMT -5
Yea to be honest, even without Zhu Ting, I personally felt that China had enough players to make it out of pool play. Their middles are great. Their other OHs are too. As well as Gong.
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 30, 2021 20:00:05 GMT -5
Yea to be honest, even without Zhu Ting, I personally felt that China had enough players to make it out of pool play. Their middles are great. Their other OHs are too. As well as Gong. Exactly. Which is why China's crash can't be attributed entirely to Zhu's wrist injury. China is simply mentally weak here. They struggled to get out of adverse situations, like that Turkey match. Even when they are leading and well on the way to a 3-1 victory over Russia, they got pressure to close out the match and choked as a result. So, if you don't have the perseverance to come from behind, or too nervous and unsteady to maintain a lead, then how are you suposed to win? Sure, as the defending champion, you got extra pressure as everyone will target you. You got a bullseye on your back. Even so, Lang Ping should have been aware of that and prep them more mentally to face adverse situations. Clearly, Lang Ping didn't work on the mental game well for her team. |
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Post by matte on Jul 31, 2021 16:11:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 16:26:32 GMT -5
Wow - the next Sokolova, really?! She's the next Kosheleva IMO. But Fedoreseva can pass pretty well already at this young age. That’s a rarity to have a young terminator that can pass. eh she’s not a great passer. Malova and Voronkova have done a brilliant job covering her. |
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