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Post by newbeach on Aug 31, 2021 23:16:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 23:17:33 GMT -5
Who won the other awards? OH: Rivera, DLC MB: Kramer, Cross Opp: Gonzales S: Valentin L: Venegas MVP: Gaila |
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Post by joplin on Sept 1, 2021 7:03:48 GMT -5
USAV selecting this staff to coach the NORCECA team was laughable. Chatman had much more coaching experience, why wasn’t she named head coach? The other assistant doesn’t have any international experience either, but at least he’s coached in matches.
Trinsey has zero coaching experience, (the 5 week AU friendly tournament doesn’t count), he’s a scout and it’s not the same.
Now he knows how much different it is sitting behind the endline than it is out in front of everyone having to make real-time decisions when your under pressure and your team is not performing. I don’t blame Joe
for being overwhelmed, I blame USAV’s approach to the tournament. They thought they could send this team and this staff and they would be good enough. You got what you deserved.
Per usual, the American players were sent to carry their staff, but this time they could not.
If any of this is inaccurate please explain.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 8:06:40 GMT -5
Now Canada - sending their A team and jumping up and down over a D team win in a bronze medal match that doesn’t help them at for WC qualification. That’s a little more interesting that's not true at all. They were missing their two best players (Gray and Maglio) but thats besides the point. This match does help them towards WCh qualification. It earned them 12 ranking points, enough to jump Thailand and Colombia in the rankings... which makes their ranking qualification a bit more comfortable. |
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Post by trojansc on Sept 1, 2021 8:18:30 GMT -5
Yeah that’s definitely inaccurate . Joe is an excellent coach. Multiple college programs have had him come on for semesters to help him. He had a huge coaching role with team Canada with Black. Karch isn’t dumb. If he wanted to win norceca he would have sent a team that could have won it. He sent a team he either wanted to develop or simply have a chance to compete. How had 2 weeks to train a team that couldn’t pass or terminate a ball and he did the best he could. Now Canada - sending their A team and jumping up and down over a D team win in a bronze medal match that doesn’t help them at for WC qualification. That’s a little more interesting Yeah, not like Karch won NORCECA’s last go around with plenty of A-Teamers… weird to blame this on coaching |
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Post by MonicaGeller on Sept 1, 2021 8:36:08 GMT -5
Now Canada - sending their A team and jumping up and down over a D team win in a bronze medal match that doesn’t help them at for WC qualification. That’s a little more interesting that's not true at all. They were missing their two best players (Gray and Maglio) but thats besides the point. This match does help them towards WCh qualification. It earned them 12 ranking points, enough to jump Thailand and Colombia in the rankings... which makes their ranking qualification a bit more comfortable. Shaina Josephson is also missing - went to join her pro team. When Canada gets a win, they are going to celebrate and jump around. If it is against the US “D” team or any other team, why wouldn’t they? |
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Post by trojansc on Sept 1, 2021 8:49:02 GMT -5
Also, a poster constantly defending Tom Black tries to throw an (inaccurate!) cheap shot at Team Canada. . .
"that's a little more intersting"
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Post by newbeach on Sept 1, 2021 10:49:17 GMT -5
Yeah that’s definitely inaccurate . Joe is an excellent coach. Multiple college programs have had him come on for semesters to help him. He had a huge coaching role with team Canada with Black. Karch isn’t dumb. If he wanted to win norceca he would have sent a team that could have won it. He sent a team he either wanted to develop or simply have a chance to compete. How had 2 weeks to train a team that couldn’t pass or terminate a ball and he did the best he could. Now Canada - sending their A team and jumping up and down over a D team win in a bronze medal match that doesn’t help them at for WC qualification. That’s a little more interesting With Trinsey playing a “huge role for Black” with Team Canada, he would be as well equipped as anyone to beat Team Canada. If this was Team USA’s “D” team, will they be sending the “F” team to the Pan Am Cup? In all seriousness, I do agree that USA could have sent a team to win this tournament if they wanted, and they chose to send players for development. In reality, that is not much different than Team Canada. The only difference is that their “A” team is almost as much of a development team as the team USA sent. With the exception of a few players (Cross and Ogums), the players who played in the match are about as experienced as some of the USA players. Normally, Maglio would have played instead of Ogums (she has two seasons of pro experience). Van Ryk left school as a sophomore to play pro and now has two pro seasons under her belt. She would be a senior/Covid senior otherwise. Mitrovic left school early and has one pro season in Romania under her belt. She would also be a senior/Covid senior if she had stayed in school. King left school with one year of eligibility remaining and has “two seasons” of pro - one season with Germany and the other with AU. Howe just graduated in the spring and has yet to play her first year of pro. Van Buskirk has one year of pro experience in France. Savard has been with the team for three weeks prior to the match. She’s played some low level pro teams but this is her first caps with Team Canada. Bujan has one year of pro experience in Spain. Their coach, Winzer, has about as much experience (or less) than Trinsey. The team was “jumping up and down” because they lost to USA in pool play in five sets and their win as @avid pointed out gives them 12 ranking points which will hopefully keep them in contention of qualifying for WC. They have a right to be happy. I’m sure the USA girls would be happy if they beat Canada and took home the bronze medal. |
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Post by wonderer on Sept 1, 2021 11:34:36 GMT -5
The panamerican cup is in a few weeks and the South American teams will not be playing... any idea if USA will be sending the same group?
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Post by pbmu on Sept 1, 2021 11:53:56 GMT -5
The panamerican cup is in a few weeks and the South American teams will not be playing... any idea if USA will be sending the same group? Not sure who exactly but I know some, if not most, will be going back to join their pro teams who are about to or already started their season. Pan-Am will be AU players or have non-commital pro contracts this season. So it may be even more of a mess. Ronika Stone will be on the roster. |
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Post by big10volleyballfan on Sept 1, 2021 12:03:38 GMT -5
Yeah that’s definitely inaccurate . Joe is an excellent coach. Multiple college programs have had him come on for semesters to help him. He had a huge coaching role with team Canada with Black. Karch isn’t dumb. If he wanted to win norceca he would have sent a team that could have won it. He sent a team he either wanted to develop or simply have a chance to compete. How had 2 weeks to train a team that couldn’t pass or terminate a ball and he did the best he could. Now Canada - sending their A team and jumping up and down over a D team win in a bronze medal match that doesn’t help them at for WC qualification. That’s a little more interesting With Trinsey playing a “huge role for Black” with Team Canada, he would be as well equipped as anyone to beat Team Canada. If this was Team USA’s “D” team, will they be sending the “F” team to the Pan Am Cup? In all seriousness, I do agree that USA could have sent a team to win this tournament if they wanted, and they chose to send players for development. In reality, that is not much different than Team Canada. The only difference is that their “A” team is almost as much of a development team as the team USA sent. With the exception of a few players (Cross and Ogums), the players who played in the match are about as experienced as some of the USA players. Normally, Maglio would have played instead of Ogums (she has two seasons of pro experience). Van Ryk left school as a sophomore to play pro and now has two pro seasons under her belt. She would be a senior/Covid senior otherwise. Mitrovic left school early and has one pro season in Romania under her belt. She would also be a senior/Covid senior if she had stayed in school. King left school with one year of eligibility remaining and has “two seasons” of pro - one season with Germany and the other with AU. Howe just graduated in the spring and has yet to play her first year of pro. Van Buskirk has one year of pro experience in France. Savard has been with the team for three weeks prior to the match. She’s played some low level pro teams but this is her first caps with Team Canada. Bujan has one year of pro experience in Spain. Their coach, Winzer, has about as much experience (or less) than Trinsey. The team was “jumping up and down” because they lost to USA in pool play in five sets and their win as @avid pointed out gives them 12 ranking points which will hopefully keep them in contention of qualifying for WC. They have a right to be happy. I’m sure the USA girls would be happy if they beat Canada and took home the bronze medal. Yes, they (players and coaches) were sent for the development experience. Mission accomplished, well done. |
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Post by oldknees on Sept 1, 2021 17:58:34 GMT -5
I don’t understand that choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 18:10:19 GMT -5
I don’t understand that choice. why? She had the most blocks and was the 3rd highest in points for middles, despite not playing as many sets as the other middles |
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Post by newbeach on Sept 1, 2021 22:20:18 GMT -5
I don’t understand that choice. why? She had the most blocks and was the 3rd highest in points for middles, despite not playing as many sets as the other middles What two other middles had higher points and how many sets did they play? Sounds like Kramer had the highest points per set? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 22:31:26 GMT -5
why? She had the most blocks and was the 3rd highest in points for middles, despite not playing as many sets as the other middles What two other middles had higher points and how many sets did they play? Sounds like Kramer had the highest points per set? Sike I miscounted. She was behind Ortiz 52 (PR), Urias 47 (Mexico), Cross 45, and Reyes 45 (PR) while Kramer had 39. I dont know how many sets she played, but she was at .74 blocks/set while no other middle was at more than .5 (the sets comment was a generalization because USA rotated their rosters way more than anyone else) Kramer and Cross also didn't have the benefit of playing Costa Rica and the Trinidad (or if you're Urias, Costa Rica twice) |
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