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Post by david38 on Aug 12, 2021 20:18:20 GMT -5
He should be in charge through Paris no doubt, unless something drastic happens. At the same time, I have the same response I've always had when watching him on the sidelines, in interviews, etc. He does not look or act like a coach/true leader. I've never seen anything like it, that is, having success and so not looking the part. I continue to be skeptical, but you've got to give him his props. This is a real: what does a coach true leader look like? Truly curious about this To me he looks - not sometimes, not often, but always - befuddled and detached on the sidelines. This is not my opinion alone. On the more extensive thread on Karch from 4-5 months ago others agreed with this perception, and of course, others yet disagreed. I'm a huge sports fan, former college basketball player (the point: I played for a lot of coaches), and I've never seen someone generally considered to be a 'great' coach look like this on the sidelines. This gives me doubts about him, doubts that were given some fuel from the previous thread on this topic. As I said in another post in this current thread, I don't pretend to know for sure if he is a good or bad coach, I leave that to others who are more expert on volleyball and, hopefully, more connected to the team who would know what's really going on. There were some unflattering accounts about how he treats players in that other thread that sounded like they could have come from some actual inside knowledge, but I can't say for sure. If you win a gold medal of course you should continue as coach. I'm not saying he should be replaced at this time. And finally, I say all of this as a huge Karch the player fan who watched him at Pauley and on the beach living in L.A.. in the 80s and 90s; and someone who hoped/hopes he turns out to be a great coach, which as I say, he may well be.
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Post by eazy on Aug 12, 2021 20:18:41 GMT -5
I think Karch was the 6/7 best coach at the Olympics behind Ze Roberto, Guidetti, Ping, Mora, Lavorini, Mazzanti, and Terzic, but he did the best job of managing the team during the last three months. I don't understand this. You say he is only the 6th best coach, but also that he did the best job as coach. Um ... what does that even mean? If you want to disagree, you should provide some sort of counter argument instead of misrepresenting his words. Nuance allows for difference between best “coach” and best “manager of the team during the last three months.” In theory, coaching includes instruction/development. It also includes maximizing potential. If Karch had 15 of the best 20 players in the world, narrowing it down to 12 and winning with them should be pretty easy regardless of the “best” result. Not saying any of that is true, but that’s the conversation. Not “he is but he isn’t” as you describe it.
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Post by Chris123 on Aug 12, 2021 20:18:49 GMT -5
I'm glad to know that the women on the NT respect and like KK as someone said (hope this is true.) I am a casual VB watcher, but my impression of KK from the times he has commentated on matches is that his tone and choice of words in assessing a player's skills comes across as harsh and blunter than need be, especially when he has commentated at the college level. I often found myself hoping the players wouldn't watch the replay to hear what he said.
To see him express such tender emotions and joy at the win was surprising and touching. What makes a good coach? Someone who has a lot of wins, or someone who helps his players grow in their skill set and as people? I'm sure that would be debatable on this board. Is KK a success in terms of wins? Yes. Is he a success in his ability to engender growth and improvement in his players without abuse or manipulation? I think only the players can say.
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Post by david38 on Aug 12, 2021 20:25:45 GMT -5
I'm glad to know that the women on the NT respect and like KK as someone said (hope this is true.) I am a casual VB watcher, but my impression of KK from the times he has commentated on matches is that his tone and choice of words in assessing a player's skills comes across as harsh and blunter than need be, especially when he has commentated at the college level. I often found myself hoping the players wouldn't watch the replay to hear what he said. To see him express such tender emotions and joy at the win was surprising and touching. What makes a good coach? Someone who has a lot of wins, or someone who helps his players grow in their skill set and as people? I'm sure that would be debatable on this board. Is KK a success in terms of wins? Yes. Is he a success in his ability to engender growth and improvement in his players without abuse or manipulation? I think only the players can say. Agree here, and with regard to his commentating, I simultaneously experienced what you did while at the same time found the actual comments and insight he gave (separate from the harsh delivery) very interesting and impressive.
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Post by VT Five-0 on Aug 12, 2021 20:40:03 GMT -5
What an unfortunate thing to say. Be better. Reality's unfortunate. So is a ban. Enjoy the next few days away from the board.
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Post by dodger on Aug 12, 2021 23:21:59 GMT -5
This is a real: what does a coach true leader look like? Truly curious about this To me he looks - not sometimes, not often, but always - befuddled and detached on the sidelines. This is not my opinion alone. On the more extensive thread on Karch from 4-5 months ago others agreed with this perception, and of course, others yet disagreed. I'm a huge sports fan, former college basketball player (the point: I played for a lot of coaches), and I've never seen someone generally considered to be a 'great' coach look like this on the sidelines. This gives me doubts about him, doubts that were given some fuel from the previous thread on this topic. As I said in another post in this current thread, I don't pretend to know for sure if he is a good or bad coach, I leave that to others who are more expert on volleyball and, hopefully, more connected to the team who would know what's really going on. There were some unflattering accounts about how he treats players in that other thread that sounded like they could have come from some actual inside knowledge, but I can't say for sure. If you win a gold medal of course you should continue as coach. I'm not saying he should be replaced at this time. And finally, I say all of this as a huge Karch the player fan who watched him at Pauley and on the beach living in L.A.. in the 80s and 90s; and someone who hoped/hopes he turns out to be a great coach, which as I say, he may well be. You: college grad;( presuming) said you college athlete: etc etc and all you can give me is befuddled ( unable to think clearly; confused or perplexed.) and detached (aloof, disinterested, incurious, indifferent, and unconcerned.) on sidlines? I dont see any of that!? Cheering, yelling go just like when he played, giving specific instructions in timeouts, etc etc etc? I am sorry but i still dont get your original premiss : TRUE LEADER”
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Post by dodger on Aug 12, 2021 23:29:19 GMT -5
I'm glad to know that the women on the NT respect and like KK as someone said (hope this is true.) I am a casual VB watcher, but my impression of KK from the times he has commentated on matches is that his tone and choice of words in assessing a player's skills comes across as harsh and blunter than need be, especially when he has commentated at the college level. I often found myself hoping the players wouldn't watch the replay to hear what he said. To see him express such tender emotions and joy at the win was surprising and touching. What makes a good coach? Someone who has a lot of wins, or someone who helps his players grow in their skill set and as people? I'm sure that would be debatable on this board. Is KK a success in terms of wins? Yes. Is he a success in his ability to engender growth and improvement in his players without abuse or manipulation? I think only the players can say. Agree here, and with regard to his commentating, I simultaneously experienced what you did while at the same time found the actual comments and insight he gave (separate from the harsh delivery) very interesting and impressive. Chris and david: “commenting on his tone and harsh and blunt choice of words during broadcast ! Wow . I find your description contrary to my viewing. Honest, forthright, fair, without being condescending or mean spirited: factual and fair! No bias due to home team biases from most color commentators ! And then the last comment implying there may be abuse or manipulation but only his players know for sure? I have know words ! Please wstch a different sport
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Post by Spike Town on Aug 12, 2021 23:34:31 GMT -5
I think Karch was the 6/7 best coach at the Olympics behind Ze Roberto, Guidetti, Ping, Mora, Lavorini, Mazzanti, and Terzic, but he did the best job of managing the team during the last three months. I don't understand this. You say he is only the 6th best coach, but also that he did the best job as coach. Um ... what does that even mean? I would interpret that as KK is 6/7th best overall based on body of work etc but did a good to great job the last 3 months.
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Post by Chris123 on Aug 13, 2021 0:03:16 GMT -5
Agree here, and with regard to his commentating, I simultaneously experienced what you did while at the same time found the actual comments and insight he gave (separate from the harsh delivery) very interesting and impressive. Chris and david: “commenting on his tone and harsh and blunt choice of words during broadcast ! Wow . I find your description contrary to my viewing. Honest, forthright, fair, without being condescending or mean spirited: factual and fair! No bias due to home team biases from most color commentators ! And then the last comment implying there may be abuse or manipulation but only his players know for sure? I have know words ! Please wstch a different sport I suspect most people on this board have no first hand knowledge of KK's coaching style. You definitely don't "know" what the implication of my words was however. I was making a general statement about coaching qualities as well as my opinion of his commentating style. You have a different opinion--I respect that. I was not insinuating that he was manipulative or abusive. I'm entitled to my opinion and to watch whatever sport I choose.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 13, 2021 9:07:06 GMT -5
I don't understand this. You say he is only the 6th best coach, but also that he did the best job as coach. Um ... what does that even mean? I would interpret that as KK is 6/7th best overall based on body of work etc but did a good to great job the last 3 months. Body of work? Olympic gold and bronze, world champion, VNL champion………his body of work is incredible
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Post by gr8ful on Aug 13, 2021 9:34:31 GMT -5
I would interpret that as KK is 6/7th best overall based on body of work etc but did a good to great job the last 3 months. Body of work? Olympic gold and bronze, world champion, VNL champion………his body of work is incredible HAHAHAHA....minor details to most on here...his winning percentage alone in the past 8 years is incredible...I'm not a big enough volley nerd to know...but what are the winning percentage of all the former women's team coaches? Also, include how many have won Olympic gold or other medals, and world championships.....
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Post by Spike Town on Aug 13, 2021 11:32:57 GMT -5
I would interpret that as KK is 6/7th best overall based on body of work etc but did a good to great job the last 3 months. Body of work? Olympic gold and bronze, world champion, VNL champion………his body of work is incredible **interpret This should have been a clue that I was simply trying to “interpret” another posters post. But just to stir the pot … the winningest coaches usually have the best roster/players. Enjoy
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Post by maplespear on Aug 13, 2021 13:18:02 GMT -5
FUN FACT -- Kiraly earned a Bachelor of Science degree in Biochemistry from UCLA graduating cum laude in June 1983 with a 3.55 cumulative GPA.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 13, 2021 15:26:19 GMT -5
FUN FACT -- Kiraly earned a Bachelor of Science degree in Biochemistry from UCLA graduating cum laude in June 1983 with a 3.55 cumulative GPA. He was going to med school after volleyball was done.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 13, 2021 20:19:35 GMT -5
EAT SOME HUMBLE PIE KARCH HATERS!!!!
Sorry, I just need to get that off my chest. All these years being subjected to insult and ridicule because I had the gall to say Karch had the right to coach the way he sees fit. Now who is right, ladies and gent??? Who is right???
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