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Post by G$ on Sept 3, 2021 12:34:02 GMT -5
The only missing piece at this point is the date for AAU. If AAU really wants to make a power move on the boys side, they'll schedule their Boys Nationals for the end of June/first of July as well. If they don't, odds are good that our club will be at both. Here, again just information from a SINGLE BBVBC call, so no idea if it is correct or not...It was stated that presently all age groups in AAU are slated to end no later than July 3rd. It was also stated AAU is trying to accelerate that timing 1 day, so ending would be no later than July 2nd. If this is true, and is possible to accelerate to July 2, this is honestly great news for all of us who have missed so many 4th of July celebrations. Our family will appreciate celebrating the 4th AFTER Nationals. (can you even call this AAU "Nationals"?) As a parent, I HATE that it isn't USAV. I am not sure why actually. Somehow nostalgia, or just knowing for sure it is the best teams in the country?? I am not sure, but will AAU have the same "All Tournament" selections? What about USAV High Performance? Will try outs still be after key USAV qualifiers? Will a player competing in AAU all year somehow still attend HP tryouts at the same rate? Why did USAV not see the problem in So Cal, and remedy the situation?? How did SCVA get some monopoly on Boys in Socal ? We have been hearing the complaints about SCVA for the past 8 years!! Even on the girls side. Some of the blame has to be placed on USAV. Why didnt they assign a more responsive team to the Socal region? |
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Post by GrowingTheGame14 on Sept 3, 2021 12:45:54 GMT -5
The only missing piece at this point is the date for AAU. If AAU really wants to make a power move on the boys side, they'll schedule their Boys Nationals for the end of June/first of July as well. If they don't, odds are good that our club will be at both. Here, again just information from a SINGLE BBVBC call, so no idea if it is correct or not...It was stated that presently all age groups in AAU are slated to end no later than July 3rd. It was also stated AAU is trying to accelerate that timing 1 day, so ending would be no later than July 2nd. If this is true, and is possible to accelerate to July 2, this is honestly great news for all of us who have missed so many 4th of July celebrations. Our family will appreciate celebrating the 4th AFTER Nationals. (can you even call this AAU "Nationals"?) As a parent, I HATE that it isn't USAV. I am not sure why actually. Somehow nostalgia, or just knowing for sure it is the best teams in the country?? I am not sure, but will AAU have the same "All Tournament" selections? What about USAV High Performance? Will try outs still be after key USAV qualifiers? Will a player competing in AAU all year somehow still attend HP tryouts at the same rate? Why did USAV not see the problem in So Cal, and remedy the situation?? How did SCVA get some monopoly on Boys in Socal ? We have been hearing the complaints about SCVA for the past 8 years!! Even on the girls side. Some of the blame has to be placed on USAV. Why didnt they assign a more responsive team to the Socal region? The ball has been dropped by USAV completely. This is not a one year thing. High Performance is no longer a thing. They now have the National Team Developmental Program or AKA The NTDP. Instead of tryouts they use coaches in clubs around the country as scouts. So as long as these scouts are at these tournaments they will get noticed. Yes, AAU has an all tournament team. The only difference between the tournaments is really the name and governing organization. |
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Post by gtrich on Sept 3, 2021 13:21:04 GMT -5
It's amazing how in the space of a couple of months, AAU Nationals went from some crappy, BS tournament you wouldn't be caught dead at, to the top tournament on the boys side.
I know this is snarky/sarcastic, but I hope someone keeps a yearly list somewhere that says which Nationals is considered the "True Nationals." Maybe Volleytalk can keep a pinned thread of the yearly results from USAV/AAU and put asterisk's on the one that is considered the bad tournament. Because 3 years from now when I walk into a gym, I want to be able to verify a clubs National Championship banner was won at the "correct" tournament. /sarcasm-off
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Post by uvcalumn on Sept 3, 2021 13:34:44 GMT -5
xD AAU Nationals was a cool tournament this past year, but it will have to more than triple in size to compare to USAV BJNC. there were 30ish teams in boys 17s for AAU vs 32 Open, 32 USA, and 50 Club 17s teams. and playing with Badens for AAU after playing only flistatec all season sucks
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Post by boysbeachvolleyball on Sept 3, 2021 13:37:17 GMT -5
When growingthegame14 says there is no difference - I hope the sarcasm switch is on.
If I follow a AAU Open 9th place team, HVA 17, and follow them to a Chicago Bid Event for USA division and see their 16th place finish, I think it gives us all a pretty good idea that the quality and depth of AAU and BJNC are more like a minor league vs Major league comparison in Baseball.
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Post by GrowingTheGame14 on Sept 3, 2021 13:42:25 GMT -5
When growingthegame14 says there is no difference - I hope the sarcasm switch is on. If I follow a AAU Open 9th place team, HVA 17, and follow them to a Chicago Bid Event for USA division and see their 16th place finish, I think it gives us all a pretty good idea that the quality and depth of AAU and BJNC are more like a minor league vs Major league comparison in Baseball. I believe I have mentioned that I have been as a coach for AAU at USAV on the girls side. AAU is the premier national event for girls. The way they run their national tournament is significantly smoother and less of a logistical nightmare to plan around. Yes, USAV has the advantage with boys. No question. However boys is a small fraction of what girls is in this country. AAU sees over 2500 teams a year for their girls event. The largest BJNC is 650. If AAU runs their national event like they run their girls event people will see it is a much better tournament. |
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Post by midwestvball1 on Sept 3, 2021 13:53:15 GMT -5
Here, again just information from a SINGLE BBVBC call, so no idea if it is correct or not...It was stated that presently all age groups in AAU are slated to end no later than July 3rd. It was also stated AAU is trying to accelerate that timing 1 day, so ending would be no later than July 2nd. If this is true, and is possible to accelerate to July 2, this is honestly great news for all of us who have missed so many 4th of July celebrations. Our family will appreciate celebrating the 4th AFTER Nationals. (can you even call this AAU "Nationals"?) As a parent, I HATE that it isn't USAV. I am not sure why actually. Somehow nostalgia, or just knowing for sure it is the best teams in the country?? I am not sure, but will AAU have the same "All Tournament" selections? What about USAV High Performance? Will try outs still be after key USAV qualifiers? Will a player competing in AAU all year somehow still attend HP tryouts at the same rate? Why did USAV not see the problem in So Cal, and remedy the situation?? How did SCVA get some monopoly on Boys in Socal ? We have been hearing the complaints about SCVA for the past 8 years!! Even on the girls side. Some of the blame has to be placed on USAV. Why didnt they assign a more responsive team to the Socal region? The ball has been dropped by USAV completely. This is not a one year thing. High Performance is no longer a thing. They now have the National Team Developmental Program or AKA The NTDP. Instead of tryouts they use coaches in clubs around the country as scouts. So as long as these scouts are at these tournaments they will get noticed. Yes, AAU has an all tournament team. The only difference between the tournaments is really the name and governing organization. Club coaches are not supposed to be NTDP scouts. Here is the link to the approved NDTP scouts. usavolleyball.org/play/national-team-development-program/indoor-ntdp/indoor-scouting-network/ They are college coaches. Once again, this shows what a !@#$ show USA Volleyball is. |
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Post by coachdirector13 on Sept 3, 2021 14:00:45 GMT -5
The ball has been dropped by USAV completely. This is not a one year thing. High Performance is no longer a thing. They now have the National Team Developmental Program or AKA The NTDP. Instead of tryouts they use coaches in clubs around the country as scouts. So as long as these scouts are at these tournaments they will get noticed. Yes, AAU has an all tournament team. The only difference between the tournaments is really the name and governing organization. Club coaches are not supposed to be NTDP scouts. Here is the link to the approved NDTP scouts. usavolleyball.org/play/national-team-development-program/indoor-ntdp/indoor-scouting-network/ They are college coaches. Once again, this shows what a !@#$ show USA Volleyball is. I have not seen the list entirely but when they started this program they actually sent out an application to all USAV members including club coaches. I actually applied to be part of the NTDP program as a scout. |
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Post by bradk on Sept 3, 2021 14:11:02 GMT -5
My quick thoughts
1. Playing with a Baden no thank you
2. Boys are being tacked on to the end of the girls. The girls tournaments runs for about 2 weeks. So now employees / vendors / etc will be on their 3rd week. What kind of mood are you in being in 1 place for 3 weeks.
3. Girls are the premier of AAU. Boys are 2nd class citizens, when push comes to shove girls will matter more.
4. Not all of the SCVA wants to go. Only 9 clubs in the region are upset and leaving. I have numerous messages from various other SCVA clubs who have no interest.
5. I do not want to go to Orlando every year. Part of the fun of nationals is being in a new city every year. I had never been to Kansas City, that is a place I would consider taking a vacation to one day, loved the city. I also learned I would never want to go to Reno on a vacation.
6. Clubs who have a large female club as well love this idea of AAU because it makes all of their lives easier, totally get that.
7. The main SCVA clubs dont want to leave USAV. They are hoping that this 1 year change will force them to change their ways and everyone can get back to normal.
8. High Performance should not be a factor in any of this. It is the biggest scam out there. If you are a good player college coaches will find you at some point throughout the year.
9. You should have to earn your bid to be in Open or USA. Just showing up and playing in a division means nothing. It puts more importance on the bid tournaments. If you can not earn a bid you probably should not be in that division if you attend multiple bid events. Now the Socal teams who do not earn a bid at their 1 event and do not travel at all I do feel bad for but I also do not as a club that travels to 3 bid events.
10. Will be interesting to see how some of these SCVA teams explain to their families they are flying all the way across the country and 3 time zones for nationals when another option is within driving distance.
Simplest way to put it, this sucks for our sport and the growth of our game.
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Post by elder2022 on Sept 3, 2021 14:48:20 GMT -5
My quick thoughts 1. Playing with a Baden no thank you 2. Boys are being tacked on to the end of the girls. The girls tournaments runs for about 2 weeks. So now employees / vendors / etc will be on their 3rd week. What kind of mood are you in being in 1 place for 3 weeks. 3. Girls are the premier of AAU. Boys are 2nd class citizens, when push comes to shove girls will matter more. 4. Not all of the SCVA wants to go. Only 9 clubs in the region are upset and leaving. I have numerous messages from various other SCVA clubs who have no interest. 5. I do not want to go to Orlando every year. Part of the fun of nationals is being in a new city every year. I had never been to Kansas City, that is a place I would consider taking a vacation to one day, loved the city. I also learned I would never want to go to Reno on a vacation. 6. Clubs who have a large female club as well love this idea of AAU because it makes all of their lives easier, totally get that. 7. The main SCVA clubs dont want to leave USAV. They are hoping that this 1 year change will force them to change their ways and everyone can get back to normal. 8. High Performance should not be a factor in any of this. It is the biggest scam out there. If you are a good player college coaches will find you at some point throughout the year. 9. You should have to earn your bid to be in Open or USA. Just showing up and playing in a division means nothing. It puts more importance on the bid tournaments. If you can not earn a bid you probably should not be in that division if you attend multiple bid events. Now the Socal teams who do not earn a bid at their 1 event and do not travel at all I do feel bad for but I also do not as a club that travels to 3 bid events. 10. Will be interesting to see how some of these SCVA teams explain to their families they are flying all the way across the country and 3 time zones for nationals when another option is within driving distance. Simplest way to put it, this sucks for our sport and the growth of our game. Pretty sure from everything that has been posted this is not just an SCVA problem, as other club directors have complained on this forum. As for playing at AAU's, our team went in 2019 and it was an excellent experience. USAV travels to different cities every year but to be honest, very few of these are anywhere I would want to vacation. Kansas City? Really? Not sure how this year is going to play out for the future but maybe USAV will realize they don't have a monopoly on boys volleyball going forward and make a better effort. |
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Post by coachdirector13 on Sept 3, 2021 14:51:36 GMT -5
My quick thoughts 1. Playing with a Baden no thank you 2. Boys are being tacked on to the end of the girls. The girls tournaments runs for about 2 weeks. So now employees / vendors / etc will be on their 3rd week. What kind of mood are you in being in 1 place for 3 weeks. 3. Girls are the premier of AAU. Boys are 2nd class citizens, when push comes to shove girls will matter more. 4. Not all of the SCVA wants to go. Only 9 clubs in the region are upset and leaving. I have numerous messages from various other SCVA clubs who have no interest. 5. I do not want to go to Orlando every year. Part of the fun of nationals is being in a new city every year. I had never been to Kansas City, that is a place I would consider taking a vacation to one day, loved the city. I also learned I would never want to go to Reno on a vacation. 6. Clubs who have a large female club as well love this idea of AAU because it makes all of their lives easier, totally get that. 7. The main SCVA clubs dont want to leave USAV. They are hoping that this 1 year change will force them to change their ways and everyone can get back to normal. 8. High Performance should not be a factor in any of this. It is the biggest scam out there. If you are a good player college coaches will find you at some point throughout the year. 9. You should have to earn your bid to be in Open or USA. Just showing up and playing in a division means nothing. It puts more importance on the bid tournaments. If you can not earn a bid you probably should not be in that division if you attend multiple bid events. Now the Socal teams who do not earn a bid at their 1 event and do not travel at all I do feel bad for but I also do not as a club that travels to 3 bid events. 10. Will be interesting to see how some of these SCVA teams explain to their families they are flying all the way across the country and 3 time zones for nationals when another option is within driving distance. Simplest way to put it, this sucks for our sport and the growth of our game. Love those points. Only thing I tend to contest is I think the boys bid system is still super crappy. They wanted to put emphasis on competitive events so they want these super qualifiers with more bids rather than more qualifiers with less bids. I think it is extremely difficult to get a bid in the boys world which yes puts a great emphasis on receiving the bid itself but I think we all know a lot of teams do not get those bids because of the crappy tie breaker rule there fore do not receive the at large bids. Bad teams still get bids because of the qualifiers they attend and nobody else attends them (mainly BANE or Southwest bid recipients). No perfect world or solution. Those pledging not to go to AAU from the SCVA are very validated in their thoughts and speaking with other clubs around the Midwest they have similar frustrations as the SCVA they just do not have the pull that those clubs have. I think the reason why the AAU tournament grows on the girls side is because clubs can plan on the event. I bet a lot of teams choose not to attend nationals because they do not get a bid. So clubs scramble to either fill the holes, release. the kids, or discontinue the team. I have yet to see someone disagree that USAV continually drops the ball. Some clubs are over the disrespect and cluster that USAV has become. Nobody (not saying you are but some are) should alienate those clubs. Vegas is a place I would love to attend. Not to coach though. It is not a super family friendly city. Regardless of the split we are seeing in the boys world I believe this would have been a low attended youth and club division tournament. |
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Post by akbar on Sept 3, 2021 15:31:29 GMT -5
My quick thoughts 1. Playing with a Baden no thank you 2. Boys are being tacked on to the end of the girls. The girls tournaments runs for about 2 weeks. So now employees / vendors / etc will be on their 3rd week. What kind of mood are you in being in 1 place for 3 weeks. 3. Girls are the premier of AAU. Boys are 2nd class citizens, when push comes to shove girls will matter more. 4. Not all of the SCVA wants to go. Only 9 clubs in the region are upset and leaving. I have numerous messages from various other SCVA clubs who have no interest. 5. I do not want to go to Orlando every year. Part of the fun of nationals is being in a new city every year. I had never been to Kansas City, that is a place I would consider taking a vacation to one day, loved the city. I also learned I would never want to go to Reno on a vacation. 6. Clubs who have a large female club as well love this idea of AAU because it makes all of their lives easier, totally get that. 7. The main SCVA clubs dont want to leave USAV. They are hoping that this 1 year change will force them to change their ways and everyone can get back to normal. 8. High Performance should not be a factor in any of this. It is the biggest scam out there. If you are a good player college coaches will find you at some point throughout the year. 9. You should have to earn your bid to be in Open or USA. Just showing up and playing in a division means nothing. It puts more importance on the bid tournaments. If you can not earn a bid you probably should not be in that division if you attend multiple bid events. Now the Socal teams who do not earn a bid at their 1 event and do not travel at all I do feel bad for but I also do not as a club that travels to 3 bid events. 10. Will be interesting to see how some of these SCVA teams explain to their families they are flying all the way across the country and 3 time zones for nationals when another option is within driving distance. Simplest way to put it, this sucks for our sport and the growth of our game. Pretty sure from everything that has been posted this is not just an SCVA problem, as other club directors have complained on this forum. USAV travels to different cities every year but to be honest, very few of these are anywhere I would want to vacation. Kansas City? Really? Very few. And those that did are wagged by their girls JVA bodies. So that agenda really wasn't generated by the boys outside of the SCVA Dude, Orlando in the summer is unbearable with that heat and humidity. It sucks |
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Post by akbar on Sept 3, 2021 15:42:20 GMT -5
My quick thoughts 1. Playing with a Baden no thank you 2. Boys are being tacked on to the end of the girls. The girls tournaments runs for about 2 weeks. So now employees / vendors / etc will be on their 3rd week. What kind of mood are you in being in 1 place for 3 weeks. 3. Girls are the premier of AAU. Boys are 2nd class citizens, when push comes to shove girls will matter more. 4. Not all of the SCVA wants to go. Only 9 clubs in the region are upset and leaving. I have numerous messages from various other SCVA clubs who have no interest. 5. I do not want to go to Orlando every year. Part of the fun of nationals is being in a new city every year. I had never been to Kansas City, that is a place I would consider taking a vacation to one day, loved the city. I also learned I would never want to go to Reno on a vacation. 6. Clubs who have a large female club as well love this idea of AAU because it makes all of their lives easier, totally get that. 7. The main SCVA clubs dont want to leave USAV. They are hoping that this 1 year change will force them to change their ways and everyone can get back to normal. 8. High Performance should not be a factor in any of this. It is the biggest scam out there. If you are a good player college coaches will find you at some point throughout the year. 9. You should have to earn your bid to be in Open or USA. Just showing up and playing in a division means nothing. It puts more importance on the bid tournaments. If you can not earn a bid you probably should not be in that division if you attend multiple bid events. Now the Socal teams who do not earn a bid at their 1 event and do not travel at all I do feel bad for but I also do not as a club that travels to 3 bid events. 10. Will be interesting to see how some of these SCVA teams explain to their families they are flying all the way across the country and 3 time zones for nationals when another option is within driving distance. Simplest way to put it, this sucks for our sport and the growth of our game. Love those points. Only thing I tend to contest is I think the boys bid system is still super crappy. They wanted to put emphasis on competitive events so they want these super qualifiers with more bids rather than more qualifiers with less bids. I think it is extremely difficult to get a bid in the boys world which yes puts a great emphasis on receiving the bid itself but I think we all know a lot of teams do not get those bids because of the crappy tie breaker rule there fore do not receive the at large bids. Bad teams still get bids because of the qualifiers they attend and nobody else attends them (mainly BANE or Southwest bid recipients). If you have a really good team you can earn an Open Bid. Find a way and travel. From what could tell and heard, the 17s and 18s Open division was very competitive and multiple teams from all corners of of the USA could have punched into Gold. We've been down the "myopic" argument road before. While not perfect the Boys Bid system is working and the Boys game is expanding. Take a logitudinal look at the last 20 years and you will see pockets of good clubs have exploded in Florida, Carolinas, Ohio, Texas and now soon Indiana and Colorado. This is only going to expand. |
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Post by elder2022 on Sept 3, 2021 15:46:01 GMT -5
Pretty sure from everything that has been posted this is not just an SCVA problem, as other club directors have complained on this forum. USAV travels to different cities every year but to be honest, very few of these are anywhere I would want to vacation. Kansas City? Really? Very few. And those that did are wagged by their girls JVA bodies. So that agenda really wasn't generated by the boys outside of the SCVA Dude, Orlando in the summer is unbearable with that heat and humidity. It sucks But Dallas, Phoenix, Reno, and Vegas all have nicer weather, with more vacation friendly opportunities to offer? Come on! Like I said, maybe the officials at USAV are taking notice to some changes that need to be made and maybe it will become a permanent alternative for some clubs going forward. In reality, 95% of the clubs aren't winning national championships anyway. Might as well make it as enjoyable as possible while still playing competitive volleyball. "Competitive" has a different meaning for every club. Just a thought. |
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Post by gtrich on Sept 3, 2021 15:54:37 GMT -5
The ball has been dropped by USAV completely. This is not a one year thing. High Performance is no longer a thing. They now have the National Team Developmental Program or AKA The NTDP. Instead of tryouts they use coaches in clubs around the country as scouts. So as long as these scouts are at these tournaments they will get noticed. Yes, AAU has an all tournament team. The only difference between the tournaments is really the name and governing organization. Club coaches are not supposed to be NTDP scouts. Here is the link to the approved NDTP scouts. usavolleyball.org/play/national-team-development-program/indoor-ntdp/indoor-scouting-network/ They are college coaches. Once again, this shows what a !@#$ show USA Volleyball is. Thank you for posting that link. I've been looking off and on for the scout list since they announced the program (I didn't realize they tucked it into the middle of the page with the region map). From a boys, border region perspective, it's exactly what I told the USAV rep it would be back on the parent conference call in the beginning. The border region that spans 12 states, and basically runs from the west coast to the east coast, is really SoCal with Phoenix thrown in. I'm not saying that is right or wrong, but it's certainly lopsided from a recruiting perspective. Given where the pockets of boys in the border region live, and the tournaments those kids usually play at, I would have put everything from New Mexico to Mississippi in the Central region and put the tiny slivers of Tennessee, Alabama and Florida in the Atlantic region with the rest of their state. I don't even know if there is a team in New Mexico, but the kids from Texas/Oklahoma/Louisiana/Arkansas/Mississippi/Tennessee/Alabama/Florida are more likely to play in tournaments in the central/eastern part of the US than they are in SoCal. It's also a lot easier for the South Central US kids to attend a regional event in the central part of the US than it is to fly two or three time zones to California (and vice versa for the SoCal kids). You certainly aren't going to drive it for a weekend event. The downside to moving those states out of the border region is now people will ask if California really needed to be split into two regions. If you were planning for region against region events, it makes sense. Otherwise, why are you asking a kid from the Florida panhandle to fly across the country to go to a regional event in Anaheim. In the time it takes them to fly to California, they could just as easily drive to an east coast event in Orlando. Maybe the map made more sense from a girls perspective, but it never made sense to me on the boys side. |
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