|
Post by greenmachine on Dec 11, 2021 12:15:21 GMT -5
Why Arkansas? They got screwed this year...should have made the tournament. 100% correct and if the tournament would have been 64 teams in 2020 they would have been in that year as well.
|
|
|
Hot Seat
Dec 11, 2021 17:01:15 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by shawty on Dec 11, 2021 17:01:15 GMT -5
The Northwestern AD should use this as inspiration to make a change, too. Though he’s probably fire Shane and hire this guy 🙄 That really would be unfortunate.
|
|
|
Hot Seat
Dec 11, 2021 17:51:14 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Phaedrus on Dec 11, 2021 17:51:14 GMT -5
Okay, maybe one more year, especially with the COVID-19 debacle, but, if she gets another year to bounce back, Cathy George should send Mel Tucker a nice Christmas gift for taking up the athletic department's funds. Yes, she has won a lot there, but 4 years of not being close to an NCAA bid after that was routine is not good. I don't love to see people who have had success lose their jobs, but Erbe did well there, and she did as well, so that is where the standards are. Pete Waite got one more year in a similar situation, but they were closer for the most part. If she does go, it was still a pretty good run in a tough league, as I think Waite's was overall. Larry Nassar was fired at the end of 2016 and the next two years were all about how Michigan State didn't protect it's female athletes. WVB was in the regional final and is now a losing program. WBB was top 3 in the big 10 for 6 of 7 years and is now a mid-tier program with the same coach. Women's Soccer was a .500+ program and then suddenly wasn't. In a situation like that it isn't the coaches that are failing the University, it's the University that failed the coaches by failing the student athletes. 156 victims called out Michigan State in court. Two consecutive University presidents, the AD, the Gymnastics coach, another Doctor, the head of the College of Medicine and the Assistant Dean for legal affairs all hit the road. MSU paid over $500 MILLION in lawsuits, a $4.5 million fine to the Department of Education and over $60 million in legal expenses. MSU's donor revenue went down 25%. Applications went down almost 10% (While Michigan's went up almost 10%) and the acceptance rate went up 12% to maintain enrollment. It looks like Michigan State has 5 Prep-volleyball top 250 players on the roster. Doesn't Wisconsin have like 8 Prepvolleyball top 25 players and a dozen or so top 250 players in the same conference? A lot of times you can point that finger at the coach, but I don't think this is one of them. No women's sport is succeeding at MSU right now and nobody should wonder why. Also, it wouldn't shock me if there were some incentives or protections offered the women's coaches to keep them from leaving in protest when the university was getting dragged through the mud. If George isn't allowed to leave on her own terms, my opinion of MSU would go even lower, and that isn't easy to do. You knew MSU board wasn't serious about protecting women when they named John Engler interim president. He pretty much lived down to expectations. They also had someone on campus who can seriously help them with the situation but they refused to even acknowledge them. They instead spent big money on the usual PR firms.
|
|
|
Post by slxpress on Dec 11, 2021 18:10:56 GMT -5
Are we really going down that path? No one is defending Michigan State or their response. Is attacking Michigan State for the horrific things that occurred there what this thread is going to be about for the next couple of pages? All vbnerd was doing is pointing out that MAYBE Cathy George is dealing with some issues that affect her volleyball program in ways that other programs aren’t facing, and so including her in the hot seat conversation may be missing the mark. But yes, Michigan State as an institution and the people involved with the decision making should be ashamed of themselves. To say it might be having an impact on Cathy George’s ability to field a more competitive volleyball team sure seems like it has a lot of merit to me.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 18:39:03 GMT -5
I’m surprised there’s not more Aird talk… If you follow Twitter there’s a bunch of very unhappy players & families, seems consistent with the many Hoosiers in the portal year after year Isn’t that what they talk about in the Indiana thread?
|
|
|
Post by Friday on Dec 11, 2021 19:06:05 GMT -5
From my original list Iowa, TCU, Long Beach St, LSU In my opinion, the hottest seats going into next year Oregon St, Georgia, Loyola, Michigan St, Nevada Pac-12 Oregon St. Colorado Big 10 Maryland Michigan St Michigan Big12 Oklahoma SEC Georgia Arkansas Alabama WCC Loyola St Marys Pacific MWC Fresno St Nevada BW UCI UC Davis Probably Safe/Cool Seat Oregon, Kansas, Kansas St, New Mexico, UNC, Miami, Tennessee Alabama is already gone - should probably replace with Missouri. Tennessee - definitely safe. Agree with Oklahoma. They continue to be underwhelming.
|
|
|
Post by Phaedrus on Dec 11, 2021 21:36:50 GMT -5
Are we really going down that path? No one is defending Michigan State or their response. Is attacking Michigan State for the horrific things that occurred there what this thread is going to be about for the next couple of pages? All vbnerd was doing is pointing out that MAYBE Cathy George is dealing with some issues that affect her volleyball program in ways that other programs aren’t facing, and so including her in the hot seat conversation may be missing the mark. But yes, Michigan State as an institution and the people involved with the decision making should be ashamed of themselves. To say it might be having an impact on Cathy George’s ability to field a more competitive volleyball team sure seems like it has a lot of merit to me. Or it could also mean that the university and the athletic administration has bigger problems to deal with and really doesn't consider a losing volleyball program a top priority.
|
|
|
Post by n00b on Dec 11, 2021 21:39:27 GMT -5
Are we really going down that path? No one is defending Michigan State or their response. Is attacking Michigan State for the horrific things that occurred there what this thread is going to be about for the next couple of pages? All vbnerd was doing is pointing out that MAYBE Cathy George is dealing with some issues that affect her volleyball program in ways that other programs aren’t facing, and so including her in the hot seat conversation may be missing the mark. But yes, Michigan State as an institution and the people involved with the decision making should be ashamed of themselves. To say it might be having an impact on Cathy George’s ability to field a more competitive volleyball team sure seems like it has a lot of merit to me. Or it could also mean that the university and the athletic administration has bigger problems to deal with and really doesn't consider a losing volleyball program a top priority. Or regardless of the care put into the program now, young female athletes have no desire to go to Michigan State given the recent history.
|
|
|
Post by tommyboy on Dec 11, 2021 22:49:18 GMT -5
I’m surprised there’s not more Aird talk… If you follow Twitter there’s a bunch of very unhappy players & families, seems consistent with the many Hoosiers in the portal year after year Isn’t that what they talk about in the Indiana thread? There's an Indiana thread?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Hot Seat
Dec 11, 2021 22:54:25 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 22:54:25 GMT -5
Isn’t that what they talk about in the Indiana thread? There's an Indiana thread? Haha no, I don't think there are enough Indiana fans on here to warrant a thread. I don't know where he is contract wise, but I think they give him one more season for > .500 results. If they are still like this next year, then his seat will get warm.
|
|
|
Post by volleyeyes on Dec 12, 2021 0:36:20 GMT -5
There's an Indiana thread? Haha no, I don't think there are enough Indiana fans on here to warrant a thread. I don't know where he is contract wise, but I think they give him one more season for > .500 results. If they are still like this next year, then his seat will get warm. IU was bad before Arid, next few years are big for Steve but I don’t think anything next year will be make or break for him
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Hot Seat
Dec 12, 2021 0:39:25 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 0:39:25 GMT -5
Haha no, I don't think there are enough Indiana fans on here to warrant a thread. I don't know where he is contract wise, but I think they give him one more season for > .500 results. If they are still like this next year, then his seat will get warm. IU was bad before Arid, next few years are big for Steve but I don’t think anything next year will be make or break for him Of course, I meant to distinguish between warm and hot. As long as they get better and the roster turnover is low, he'll be fine.
|
|
|
Post by tommyboy on Dec 12, 2021 1:47:57 GMT -5
IU was bad before Arid, next few years are big for Steve but I don’t think anything next year will be make or break for him Of course, I meant to distinguish between warm and hot. As long as they get better and the roster turnover is low, he'll be fine. I guess I'm wondering why you think Indiana is fine with this performance after four years in? I think it's a more urgent than you do. Indiana is a good volleyball state and just built a new facility, I think they should expect more than four conference wins and next to last place in the conference.
|
|
|
Hot Seat
Dec 12, 2021 1:56:40 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by volleyeyes on Dec 12, 2021 1:56:40 GMT -5
Of course, I meant to distinguish between warm and hot. As long as they get better and the roster turnover is low, he'll be fine. I guess I'm wondering why you think Indiana is fine with this performance after four years in? I think it's a more urgent than you do. Indiana is a good volleyball state and just built a new facility, I think they should expect more than four conference wins and next to last place in the conference. They in the BIG if they were in any other conference with that brand new facility and 4 wins I would agree with you. It’s really hard to get situated in the BIG, Steve in any other league is on the hot seat, not the BIG. Agree they are in a hotbed of recruits, think he had some untimely transfers that hurt but I think IU has a good coach in Arid, but it’s not the SEC where you can take a bottom Job and make the tourney in your first 2 seasons.
|
|
|
Post by tommyboy on Dec 12, 2021 12:15:04 GMT -5
I guess I'm wondering why you think Indiana is fine with this performance after four years in? I think it's a more urgent than you do. Indiana is a good volleyball state and just built a new facility, I think they should expect more than four conference wins and next to last place in the conference. They in the BIG if they were in any other conference with that brand new facility and 4 wins I would agree with you. It’s really hard to get situated in the BIG, Steve in any other league is on the hot seat, not the BIG. Agree they are in a hotbed of recruits, think he had some untimely transfers that hurt but I think IU has a good coach in Arid, but it’s not the SEC where you can take a bottom Job and make the tourney in your first 2 seasons. Please tell that to Ohio State, they didn't seem to have a problem. Or better yet tell that to Iowa where two years is enough. I don't really care all that much, but just find it interesting how this board gives him a pass and makes excuses for that program consistently. There is nothing that program is lacking to build a winner. I'm not saying he should be fired but his seat should be hotter than most on this list.
|
|