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Post by dc on Sept 17, 2021 15:05:43 GMT -5
It’s funny people trying to blame Milley for trying to prevent a nuclear weapon from being used for “no” reason. Clearly the problem was we had an abnormality and a sicko for a president. When you have that, all sorts of dangerous precedents are going to be set by the abnormal sicko himself, by goofballs that he appoints, and normal people attempting to function, inside and outside the government, in the environment and circumstances set by the abnormal sicko. When dealing with other countries, how many times did Trump send troops to "do his bidding"? How many wars did the bloodthirsty sicko start? lol….an insurrection against his own country doesn’t count, huh (who said anything about bloodthirsty?..that’s your word)
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Post by moody on Sept 17, 2021 15:22:54 GMT -5
So let's try this again, starting from this statement: There is a legal and constitutional process for removing a president who is unfit to serve. If Milley thought Trump was that dangerous, he should have gone to Pence and the cabinet. If that didn't work, he could have gone public by going to Congress and the press. Instead, if the book is accurate, he illegally usurped Trump's authority and told nobody in civilian leadership (until going public to Bob Woodward months after the fact). If that can happen with no consequences or accountability, what's the stop Milley (or another general) from doing it to a president you like? Let's do a thought experiment, moody. Sometime in 2023 or so, China decides to invade and formally annex Taiwan. The United States is (sort of) committed to Taiwan's security and "independence." I happen to think if/when this happens, the US will not respond militarily. There are *lots* of people in the US foreign policy and military establishment who'd love a shooting war with China, though. In the process of invading Taiwan, a US surface ship gets a little too close to Chinese ships and catches a cruise missile from the PLA Navy. US forces are on high alert and the Joint Chiefs want to strike back at the Chinese, but Biden decides not to escalate and orders our forces to stand down. Mark Milley (or whomever is CJCS) believes Biden represents a threat to the nation and tells the other generals that any decision on launch/don't launch has to involve him personally, effectively giving himself a veto over POTUS commands. Are you OK with that scenario? Going to respond without reading ALL your drivel. I am referring to facts and reality. Try to stay in the real world
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Post by moody on Sept 17, 2021 15:24:54 GMT -5
Trump incited an insurrection. Isn't that good enough for you? Nope. Some idiots deciding to storm the capital is NOT the same as him starting a military offensive or a nuclear war. So how many wars did he start? How many countries did he attack? Do you deny that Trump incited the 1/6 insurrection?
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Post by moody on Sept 17, 2021 15:26:05 GMT -5
I'm very sorry that I come packing receipts. You come packing crap. You’re a crap packer.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 17, 2021 15:46:03 GMT -5
I'm very sorry that I come packing receipts. You come packing crap. You’re a crap packer. Did you ever find those posts of mine you were looking for?
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Post by moody on Sept 17, 2021 15:48:47 GMT -5
You come packing crap. You’re a crap packer. Did you ever find those posts of mine you were looking for? I am glad you support Milley's conversations with China.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 17, 2021 15:52:31 GMT -5
Did you ever find those posts of mine you were looking for? I am glad you support Milley's conversations with China. I don't have much of an opinion on them, other than the fact they were probably stupid and ineffective. It's not like they were "secret." He did it with the knowledge of the State Department, apparently. The whole circumventing Trump's legal authority thing- that's a big problem and he should resign immediately.
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Post by moody on Sept 17, 2021 15:56:31 GMT -5
I am glad you support Milley's conversations with China. I don't have much of an opinion on them, other than the fact they were probably stupid and ineffective. It's not like they were "secret." He did it with the knowledge of the State Department, apparently. The whole circumventing Trump's legal authority thing- that's a big problem and he should resign immediately. Do you think in Woodward's book, Peril, he wrote of Milley's actions to further confirm Trump's mental derangement or was it included because he felt Milley did anything wrong?
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 17, 2021 15:57:33 GMT -5
I don't have much of an opinion on them, other than the fact they were probably stupid and ineffective. It's not like they were "secret." He did it with the knowledge of the State Department, apparently. The whole circumventing Trump's legal authority thing- that's a big problem and he should resign immediately. Do you think in Woodward's book, Peril, he wrote of Milley's actions to further confirm Trump's mental derangement or was it included because he felt Milley did anything wrong? Haven't read the book, so I don't know. I don't see why it particularly matters, either.
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Post by moody on Sept 17, 2021 16:01:21 GMT -5
Do you think in Woodward's book, Peril, he wrote of Milley's actions to further confirm Trump's mental derangement or was it included because he felt Milley did anything wrong? Haven't read the book, so I don't know. I don't see why it particularly matters, either. So, you can't conclude what Woodward was writing about in his book PERIL??? Now you are just playing dumb. Why this matters is once again you are ignoring the facts around Milley's actions.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 17, 2021 16:02:55 GMT -5
Haven't read the book, so I don't know. I don't see why it particularly matters, either. So, you can't conclude what Woodward was writing about in his book PERIL??? Now you are just playing dumb. Why this matters is once again you are ignoring the facts around Milley's actions. What are you talking about? The book hasn't even been released, just previewed by Woodward's employer, the Washington Post.
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Post by moody on Sept 17, 2021 16:05:18 GMT -5
So, you can't conclude what Woodward was writing about in his book PERIL??? Now you are just playing dumb. Why this matters is once again you are ignoring the facts around Milley's actions. What are you talking about? The book hasn't even been released, just previewed by Woodward's employer, the Washington Post. Why did Woodward title the book Peril?
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 17, 2021 16:06:03 GMT -5
What are you talking about? The book hasn't even been released, just previewed by Woodward's employer, the Washington Post. Why did Woodward title the book Peril? Because he likes selling books?
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 17, 2021 16:18:30 GMT -5
I'd pump the brakes before saying that Woodward is the gold standard for truth. The Belushi family would definitely disagree.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 17, 2021 16:21:21 GMT -5
How many countries did he attack? Off the top of my head: Syria Yemen Afghanistan Iraq Somalia Plus god knows whatever else AFRICOM is up to. Out of those you listed, do you think any were "justified"? Somalia seemed like a terrible plan that made the Falklands seem like a fair fight in comparison.
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