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Post by ironhammer on Sept 15, 2021 8:27:58 GMT -5
Nothing new or shocking, but now Bob Woodward's new book "Peril" said Joint Chiefs of staff chairman General Mark Milley feared Trump would launch a nuclear war in the closing days of Trump's presidency, especially after the January 6th riot. Pelosi called Milley to say Trump was unhinged and asked Milley what he will do to prevent Trump from launching a nuclear weapon. That part we already know. But what is new in the book is that Milley said he agreed with Pelosi's evaluation of Trump's mental state. Milley called a meeting with the Joint Chiefs and said everyone must follow procedure if the president order any military strike, but that means Milley must be informed of any decision.
Milley even called his Chinese counterpart not once, but twice, to assure him the US is not going to launch a surprise attack on China, after US intelligence suggest China believed a US attack was imminent due to Trump's blaming China for the pandemic and a US military exercise in the South China Sea (one can only imagine what will happen if Beijing actually took actions to prepare for that, as they are after all a nuclear-armed power):
So, perhaps the Trump administration came closer to armaggedon than we realized and there was thankfully, people in the government sane enough to be prepared to stop an insane president from destroying his own country in a nuclear exchange.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 15, 2021 8:37:27 GMT -5
Milley should resign, immediately.
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 15, 2021 9:24:40 GMT -5
Milley should resign, immediately. He won't.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 15, 2021 10:46:34 GMT -5
So, perhaps the Trump administration came closer to armaggedon than we realize and there was thankfully, people in the government sane enough to be prepared to stop an insane president from destroying his own country in a nuclear exchange.
So you REALLY believe that Trump was an insane madman ready to start a nuclear war? Like you REALLY believe that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 12:43:07 GMT -5
So, perhaps the Trump administration came closer to armaggedon than we realize and there was thankfully, people in the government sane enough to be prepared to stop an insane president from destroying his own country in a nuclear exchange. So you REALLY believe that Trump was an insane madman ready to start a nuclear war? Like you REALLY believe that? I believe he's delusional enough that to try and sustain himself he would do anything. I loathe comparing anything to Nazis, but his actions smack of Hitler in his bunker. If he couldn't win, he'd rather burn the world than admit he lost.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 15, 2021 13:02:56 GMT -5
Trump fans are rather proud of what they call "TDS", because they see it as basically the same things as "making the libs cry". In other words, the goal isn't policy or national security or the economy or anything else other than simply shoving a sharp stick into the eyes of the liberals.
Meanwhile, the record shows that Trump was capricious and thoughtless with the power of the Presidency. He did things like call in the military to clear out a street full of people just so he could walk across the street, wave a book in front of a church, and walk back. He loved his rallies, and from what I can tell didn't care much about the consequences of what he said as long as he got the mob cheering for him. He clearly incited people to attack the US Capital and attempt to subvert the Constitution.
It was not out of the question that he might start a war just because he loved that he could. It was also not out of the question that he might start a war to try to stay in power. The fact that people close to him were worried about it indicates that the people who were in the best position to know did think it was possible.
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 15, 2021 13:52:18 GMT -5
We have had Presidents order military strikes in order to impact domestic politics before.
This one makes me think of the Morgan Freeman character in the movie 'The Sum of All Fears'.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 15, 2021 13:58:40 GMT -5
Whether or not Milley thought Trump might start a war or something, doing a coup to stop it is still bad. Bad enough that he should have been sitting in front of Congress an hour later explaining what he just did. The ultimate authority in this country is civilian leadership, not the military.
Also, this anecdote appearing in a Bob Woodward book smacks of Milley trying to launder his reputation after the fact.
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 15, 2021 18:17:56 GMT -5
Whether or not Milley thought Trump might start a war or something, doing a coup to stop it is still bad. Bad enough that he should have been sitting in front of Congress an hour later explaining what he just did. The ultimate authority in this country is civilian leadership, not the military. Also, this anecdote appearing in a Bob Woodward book smacks of Milley trying to launder his reputation after the fact. There was no coup. I don't know how on earth you can compare Milley's action to a "coup". That's just absurd.
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 15, 2021 18:20:26 GMT -5
So you REALLY believe that Trump was an insane madman ready to start a nuclear war? Like you REALLY believe that? Oh absolutely. Someone like Trump would do anything to stay in power. Anything to avoid being tagged as a "loser".
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 15, 2021 18:38:47 GMT -5
Whether or not Milley thought Trump might start a war or something, doing a coup to stop it is still bad. Bad enough that he should have been sitting in front of Congress an hour later explaining what he just did. The ultimate authority in this country is civilian leadership, not the military. Also, this anecdote appearing in a Bob Woodward book smacks of Milley trying to launder his reputation after the fact. And to be clear, what Milley did was absolutely above board and within his power to do: Biden has thrown support behind Milley as well: www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/15/joe-biden-mark-milley-great-confidence-trump-revelation
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 15, 2021 19:26:57 GMT -5
What else do you call it when a general usurps the president's legal authority?
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Post by BearClause on Sept 15, 2021 19:37:30 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the record shows that Trump was capricious and thoughtless with the power of the Presidency. He did things like call in the military to clear out a street full of people just so he could walk across the street, wave a book in front of a church, and walk back. He loved his rallies, and from what I can tell didn't care much about the consequences of what he said as long as he got the mob cheering for him. He clearly incited people to attack the US Capital and attempt to subvert the Constitution. Well - it didn't really happen that way. It wasn't done by the National Guard although they were there just kind of standing. The planning on fencing off Lafayette Park was already planned for that day. But apparently when the Chief of the US Park Police found out that Trump was going to do it after the clearing of the park, he was like "You've got to be kidding me." The last thing he wanted was the perception that the park was cleared for Trump to pull off the stunt. I believe he even asked that it not be done. Trump could have easily just gotten in a car and did it. Heck - knowing Trump's hatred for exercise they could have moved him in a cart like the kind he uses to cheat when playing golf. I think there might have been other stuff that was done on Trump's behalf, including clearing the path the church patio.
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 15, 2021 19:42:16 GMT -5
What else do you call it when a general usurps the president's legal authority? Where did the general "usurp" the president authority? Milley said clearly the order to make a nuclear strike is the president to make. But that he will be in the loop of any such decision.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 15, 2021 19:46:29 GMT -5
So you REALLY believe that Trump was an insane madman ready to start a nuclear war? Like you REALLY believe that? Oh absolutely. Someone like Trump would do anything to stay in power. Anything to avoid being tagged as a "loser". Including start a nuclear war!?! smh
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