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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 16, 2021 10:01:13 GMT -5
The reason someone would do it would be different, obviously. But you get my point. I'm not sure I do.
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Post by donut on Sept 16, 2021 13:51:53 GMT -5
I didn't defend that behavior. I just prefer generals to answer to civilian authority, not the other way round. Why do you prefer that? … you don’t prefer that?
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 16, 2021 14:33:37 GMT -5
Mark Milley, famously nonpartisan and apolitical.
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Post by moody on Sept 16, 2021 17:18:50 GMT -5
Just an FYI. More than 70% of Republicans believe Biden did not get enough votes to be elected. That's a sample of the damage that Trump has done to our country. Milley was not the only one in Trump's inner circle who had grave concerns regarding Trump's mental stability. With that said, I for one welcome an independent investigation allowed to go where the evidence takes them. Was damage being done to the country when people were saying that Trump won the election with Russian interference and continued to say that even though no real evidence was found? Except there was clear evidence. Why did Barr not release the Mueller report? Why was Mueller limited in his scope to investigate Trumps financials?
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Post by moody on Sept 16, 2021 17:25:21 GMT -5
Because of a deranged person in the White House that was Trump and a complicate Congress No one can say the depths that Trump would go. Imagine one of Trump’s biggest military cabinet member who deals with him daily felt Trump was deranged. You just being a pawn in the Trumpgame of distraction instead of the real issue which was how close did we come under Trump to utter disaster.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 16, 2021 17:37:15 GMT -5
There is not a lot of historical evidence that letting the military run a government leads to good outcomes, but there is a lot of historical evidence that civilian control of the military does lead to good outcomes. So history suggests that generally civilian control over the military is a good idea.
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Post by donut on Sept 16, 2021 17:57:41 GMT -5
Because of a deranged person in the White House that was Trump and a complicate Congress No one can say the depths that Trump would go. Imagine one of Trump’s biggest military cabinet member who deals with him daily felt Trump was deranged. You just being a pawn in the Trumpgame of distraction instead of the real issue which was how close did we come under Trump to utter disaster. Yikes at your hoolie-level whataboutisms. I asked you a simple question. Do you prefer a military (general) that is accountable to civilians, or not? I was shocked you seemed to challenge merv's preference for a pretty basic democratic principle.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 16, 2021 18:00:48 GMT -5
Was damage being done to the country when people were saying that Trump won the election with Russian interference and continued to say that even though no real evidence was found? Except there was clear evidence. Why did Barr not release the Mueller report? Why was Mueller limited in his scope to investigate Trumps financials? I was wrong. I retract that statement.
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 16, 2021 19:00:34 GMT -5
There is not a lot of historical evidence that letting the military run a government leads to good outcomes, but there is a lot of historical evidence that civilian control of the military does lead to good outcomes. So history suggests that generally civilian control over the military is a good idea. That isn't really in dispute here. The real issue here is an unstable leader with dictatorial tendencies. Milley in that situation saw he had to do something. This really isn't about civilian vs military leadership, but safety of the whole world. In that situation, Milley made the right call. And I might add, there is NOTHING Milley did to suggest he broke the chain of command. Calling China is the prerogative of the JSF chairman.
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Post by moody on Sept 16, 2021 20:47:35 GMT -5
Because of a deranged person in the White House that was Trump and a complicate Congress No one can say the depths that Trump would go. Imagine one of Trump’s biggest military cabinet member who deals with him daily felt Trump was deranged. You just being a pawn in the Trumpgame of distraction instead of the real issue which was how close did we come under Trump to utter disaster. Yikes at your hoolie-level whataboutisms. I asked you a simple question. Do you prefer a military (general) that is accountable to civilians, or not? I was shocked you seemed to challenge merv's preference for a pretty basic democratic principle. Just making a point. Sorry, above your head. You always focus on the wrong things.
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Post by moody on Sept 16, 2021 20:49:39 GMT -5
There is not a lot of historical evidence that letting the military run a government leads to good outcomes, but there is a lot of historical evidence that civilian control of the military does lead to good outcomes. So history suggests that generally civilian control over the military is a good idea. That isn't really in dispute here. The real here is an unstable leader with dictatorial tendencies. Milley in that situation saw he had to do something. This really isn't about civilian vs military leadership, but safety of the whole world. In that situation, Milley made the right call. And I might add, there is NOTHING Milley did to suggest he broke the chain of command. Calling China is the prerogative of the JSF chairman. The genius of the counter to your statement of FACTS is to distract into some other conversation and not address the facts.
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Post by moody on Sept 16, 2021 20:50:37 GMT -5
Except there was clear evidence. Why did Barr not release the Mueller report? Why was Mueller limited in his scope to investigate Trumps financials? I was wrong. I retract that statement. Of course you do because once again you prove only to speak stupid.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 17, 2021 0:28:43 GMT -5
I was wrong. I retract that statement. Of course you do because once again you prove only to speak stupid. As a great poster once said... EAD My original statement should have been that Russian interference in the election was not the reason Trump won.
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Post by donut on Sept 17, 2021 1:04:19 GMT -5
Yikes at your hoolie-level whataboutisms. I asked you a simple question. Do you prefer a military (general) that is accountable to civilians, or not? I was shocked you seemed to challenge merv's preference for a pretty basic democratic principle. Just making a point. Sorry, above your head. You always focus on the wrong things. What’s the wrong thing I focused on? The question presented to you?
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Post by moody on Sept 17, 2021 8:17:34 GMT -5
Of course you do because once again you prove only to speak stupid. As a great poster once said... EAD My original statement should have been that Russian interference in the election was not the reason Trump won. That is what is known as an opinion
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