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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 10:06:26 GMT -5
I’ll pass on the lectures about what is “good” from the poster who suggested 1 American life is worth 4 Japanese lives, personally. I thought he was talking about wartime? I am. And any president who would exchange 500,000 of his own boys to save the lives of the enemy instead should/would be impeached. Anything else is posturing after the people involved are all dead. Carlisle Barracks' memories they accumulated of veterans and their war experiences are unanimous in the ones which mention the bombings. Every one of those soldiers or Marines was thankful for the bombs. Unanimous.
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Post by donut on Oct 1, 2021 10:07:50 GMT -5
Also just to be clear: I understand the risk and impact calculus that occurred pre-atomic bombs (giving our military some benefit of the doubt that they actually cared they were murdering Japanese civilians). But when you frame it like this, insisting that Japan had to "pay," and show zero remorse for innocent civilian lives, then yeah, I'm going to call you an a$$. I will take the deaths of 1,000,000 enemy civilians in a world war over the potential death of 150,000-200,000 US soldiers. It really doesn't matter what the actual number is, because you were flippant when the number was low too.
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Post by donut on Oct 1, 2021 10:13:07 GMT -5
This assumes the only paths to ending WWII were invading Japan or dropping the bomb, which is incorrect. The mass killing of civilians (or the targeted killing of smaller numbers of civilians via drone strike) is a choice. The wrong one, in my mind. And it assumes war and killing is the preferable way to settle international conflict. I think this is colored by the American experience in WWII. It's the one "good" war where we can tell ourselves we were unquestionably the good guys. Bingo. It's also colored by the fact we didn't lose a significant number of civilians on American soil. Posters should do research on Europe and how European sentiments towards war as an extension of foreign policy have changed over time. When your continent gets absolutely fcked (repeatedly), you're going to be more humble.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 10:18:20 GMT -5
This assumes the only paths to ending WWII were invading Japan or dropping the bomb, which is incorrect. The mass killing of civilians (or the targeted killing of smaller numbers of civilians via drone strike) is a choice. The wrong one, in my mind. And it assumes war and killing is the preferable way to settle international conflict. I think this is colored by the American experience in WWII. It's the one "good" war where we can tell ourselves we were unquestionably the good guys. And what exactly was the peaceful way to settle a world war? Ask them 'pretty please stop with the suicide planes?' Or would you withhold firing on the banzai charges since those IJA soldiers were usually out of ammunition and bayonets vs. automatic weapons in prepared positions is a slaughter?
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Oct 1, 2021 10:22:04 GMT -5
I am not the president of the United States, thank god. But if I were, I would 1) prioritize ending a war as peacefully and quickly as possible Other than surrendering, what would that look like (specifically in the case of WWII)? Zen beat me to the question by four minutes but added way more snark.
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Post by moody on Oct 1, 2021 10:23:51 GMT -5
wow this thread has certainly taken a turn. Let's get back on topic. Why did Manafort share internal polling data with Russia?
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Post by ringostar on Oct 5, 2021 8:31:34 GMT -5
wow this thread has certainly taken a turn. Let's get back on topic. Why did Manafort share internal polling data with Russia? The topic of this thread is "General Milley feared Trump would launch nuclear war". Start a new thread and see who's interested in your Russia BS
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Post by moody on Oct 5, 2021 9:27:46 GMT -5
wow this thread has certainly taken a turn. Let's get back on topic. Why did Manafort share internal polling data with Russia? The topic of this thread is "General Milley feared Trump would launch nuclear war". Start a new thread and see who's interested in your Russia BS You're the one who originally brought it up. Now you have no real response when asked about the details. It's not my fault you and canam are Fox News ignorant.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Oct 5, 2021 10:49:02 GMT -5
The topic of this thread is "General Milley feared Trump would launch nuclear war". Start a new thread and see who's interested in your Russia BS You're the one who originally brought it up. Now you have no real response when asked about the details. It's not my fault you and canam are Fox News ignorant.
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Post by moody on Oct 5, 2021 11:34:49 GMT -5
You're the one who originally brought it up. Now you have no real response when asked about the details. It's not my fault you and canam are Fox News ignorant. What a thought provoking response.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Oct 5, 2021 11:50:58 GMT -5
What a thought provoking response. It shouldn't be. You said something I thought funny and that was my reaction.
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