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Post by Disc808 on Jul 5, 2022 18:34:15 GMT -5
Boo. I already don’t like how there’s only one round of pool play (+ only 3 matches at that) and then straight to the elimination rounds. If anything, this gives the hosts much more leeway than the other teams to play iffy in the beginning and get their acts together. From a player stand point.....playing and training all summer long from May ......getting to playoffs is the sooner the better. I can tell you that all these guys club teams are wanting these guys to fly direct from this to begin training for the season. Hence....Bruhno's and top pros concerns Fair. I still think it’s not that many matches considering the imbalance of some of the pools. The playoff matchups surely will be interesting given that some pools are easier than others |
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Post by tamz on Jul 24, 2022 20:00:46 GMT -5
Oh god, I hadn’t realized that USA was in the same pool as Poland, playing IN Poland in Pool C… Will they be able to replicate yesterday’s match in Poland against the annoying crowd?
Also didn’t realize mens World Champs was starting in a month’s time. Whoops!!!
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Post by akbar on Jul 24, 2022 20:08:34 GMT -5
Oh god, I hadn’t realized that USA was in the same pool as Poland, playing IN Poland in Pool C… Will they be able to replicate yesterday’s match in Poland against the annoying crowd? Also didn’t realize mens World Champs was starting in a month’s time. Whoops!!! Poland will still have the same setter and OHs compared to ours. We will have Matt Anderson. We should be the favorite. |
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Post by momorabbit on Jul 24, 2022 20:12:36 GMT -5
Oh god, I hadn’t realized that USA was in the same pool as Poland, playing IN Poland in Pool C… Will they be able to replicate yesterday’s match in Poland against the annoying crowd? Also didn’t realize mens World Champs was starting in a month’s time. Whoops!!! Poland will still have the same setter and OHs compared to ours. We will have Matt Anderson. We should be the favorite. Will Jaeschke come  |
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Post by tamz on Jul 24, 2022 21:44:22 GMT -5
Oh god, I hadn’t realized that USA was in the same pool as Poland, playing IN Poland in Pool C… Will they be able to replicate yesterday’s match in Poland against the annoying crowd? Also didn’t realize mens World Champs was starting in a month’s time. Whoops!!! Poland will still have the same setter and OHs compared to ours. We will have Matt Anderson. We should be the favorite. Who will Matt Anderson be replacing on today’s court? |
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Post by archiepelago on Jul 24, 2022 21:50:06 GMT -5
Questions after the VNL final
1) Did USA won the third and fourth set because of France self imploding or did Defalco's presence in the opposite the solution against the incredible passing of France?
2) If the same lineup is used against France in the World Championship, will it work?
3) Should Defalco remain in the opposite and have Anderson in the OH? A position Anderson played in Perugia.
4) Is it wise to bank on Anderson considering we have a month to go before world championship and he has not trained with the team.
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Post by archiepelago on Jul 24, 2022 21:52:51 GMT -5
I just checked the tournament format of the world championship. I kinda prefer this. 2018 format sucks!!!!
Sorry, 2018 just had so many rounds. This year we only have 1 pool competition then immediately a round of 16.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 24, 2022 21:56:42 GMT -5
I just checked the tournament format of the world championship. I kinda prefer this. 2018 format sucks!!!! Sorry, 2018 just had so many rounds. This year we only have 1 pool competition then immediately a round of 16. I don't really like the idea of a team potentially being 3-1 and being eliminated from the World Championships. If they're going to do it so quickly, I'd prefer larger preliminary pools (6-8 teams per pool) and then do a knockout bracket on limited teams. |
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Post by archiepelago on Jul 24, 2022 22:07:30 GMT -5
I just checked the tournament format of the world championship. I kinda prefer this. 2018 format sucks!!!! Sorry, 2018 just had so many rounds. This year we only have 1 pool competition then immediately a round of 16. I don't really like the idea of a team potentially being 3-1 and being eliminated from the World Championships. If they're going to do it so quickly, I'd prefer larger preliminary pools (6-8 teams per pool) and then do a knockout bracket on limited teams. If they do well in the pool composition then they will end up with a preferred opponent in the knockout stage. Also this is what Bruno has been asking right? Less games? What i didn't like in 2018 is that teams are put in pools in the next round and they have no chance of moving to the following round even if they win all games in their pool. Finland per example. In that second round against Italy, Russia, and Netherlands. So why would people watch Finland matches if their wins won't matter. Thee tournament format of 2018 was just really a mess. |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 24, 2022 22:08:19 GMT -5
I just checked the tournament format of the world championship. I kinda prefer this. 2018 format sucks!!!! Sorry, 2018 just had so many rounds. This year we only have 1 pool competition then immediately a round of 16. I’m going to push back on this. It’s good in the sense that it’s not another long tournament. My main issues are 1) the imbalance of the pools, 2) the fact that there is nothing to help account for that and they go straight to knockouts, 3) the hosts get seeding benefits if they advance. I mean… Italy gets Canada, China, and Turkiye. Serbia gets Ukraine, Puerto Rico, and Tunisia. They should’ve re made the pools after Russia was dropped. I know it wasn’t ever going to be completely fair, but I don’t think I’m being unreasonable here |
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Post by archiepelago on Jul 24, 2022 22:13:35 GMT -5
I just checked the tournament format of the world championship. I kinda prefer this. 2018 format sucks!!!! Sorry, 2018 just had so many rounds. This year we only have 1 pool competition then immediately a round of 16. I’m going to push back on this. It’s good in the sense that it’s not another long tournament. My main issues are 1) the imbalance of the pools, 2) the fact that there is nothing to help account for that and they go straight to knockouts, 3) the hosts get seeding benefits if they advance. I mean… Italy gets Canada, China, and Turkiye. Serbia gets Ukraine, Puerto Rico, and Tunisia. They should’ve re made the pools after Russia was dropped. I know it wasn’t ever going to be completely fair, but I don’t think I’m being unreasonable here I think the pool composition was fair. They used the snake method from what I know. And only Russia had the automatic #1. Everyone was based on their world ranking at the time. And they didn't re draw after the Russian ban. Poland and Slovenia will still be playing the same teams they will play if the Russian ban did not happen. |
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Post by momorabbit on Jul 24, 2022 22:15:15 GMT -5
Questions after the VNL final 1) Did USA won the third and fourth set because of France self imploding or did Defalco's presence in the opposite the solution against the incredible passing of France? 2) If the same lineup is used against France in the World Championship, will it work? 3) Should Defalco remain in the opposite and have Anderson in the OH? A position Anderson played in Perugia. 4) Is it wise to bank on Anderson considering we have a month to go before world championship and he has not trained with the team. My opinion: 1) Both. Ngapeth is a really emotional player and if he has ups and downs, the French team does not know what to do. 2) Maybe, may not. But obviously we do not know if Muag will have the same performance as today, which is ABSOLUTELY STUNNING and AMAZING consider his performance these years. 3) TJ passed really well actually.France's serving is just good. But do not know how Anderson is passing right now. 4) At least much better and reliable than the current opposites. What else options? |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 24, 2022 22:22:33 GMT -5
I’m going to push back on this. It’s good in the sense that it’s not another long tournament. My main issues are 1) the imbalance of the pools, 2) the fact that there is nothing to help account for that and they go straight to knockouts, 3) the hosts get seeding benefits if they advance. I mean… Italy gets Canada, China, and Turkiye. Serbia gets Ukraine, Puerto Rico, and Tunisia. They should’ve re made the pools after Russia was dropped. I know it wasn’t ever going to be completely fair, but I don’t think I’m being unreasonable here I think the pool composition was fair. They used the snake method from what I know. And only Russia had the automatic #1. Everyone was based on their world ranking at the time. And they didn't re draw after the Russian ban. Poland and Slovenia will still be playing the same teams they will play if the Russian ban did not happen. Russia is no longer in this tournament. I’m not sure why they think using this pool draw, that was based on Russia being there, is a good idea. Regardless, the points I made still stand. I just hope the universe makes it so that the knockout matches aren’t so lopsided or “unfair” but we’ll see. Just gonna have to let the play do the talking I suppose. At the end of the day, all I ask for is good vb lol |
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Post by future on Jul 25, 2022 5:40:41 GMT -5
Questions after the VNL final 1) Did USA won the third and fourth set because of France self imploding or did Defalco's presence in the opposite the solution against the incredible passing of France? The USA won these games by outplaying them in every aspect of the game. They pulled their setter and could not figure out our system which knocked them off balance. It was a "we have nothing to lose...let's see where this goes" gamble by the coaching staff and the guys responded. 2) If the same lineup is used against France in the World Championship, will it work? Maybe but why? We will be fully loaded as a roster. TJ was angry and responded very well and the USA rode his energy.....but that faded a bit too as everything settled down. TJ scored 1 point in 1st, 1 point in 2nd, 7 points in the 3rd! , 3 poitns in the 4th and 1 in the 5th. It was a fun change and almost worked 3) Should Defalco remain in the opposite and have Anderson in the OH? A position Anderson played in Perugia. No. TJ has improved and is still improving in this postion and is valuable to our system as an OH4) Is it wise to bank on Anderson considering we have a month to go before world championship and he has not trained with the team. The USA system isn't designed to "bank" on any one player. Each have their role and EACH is capable of being the hot man depending on matchups and play from game to game. Example game 4 of yesterday Jendryck explodes for 7 points in set 4 ....he was the hot man. Other teams are centered around the Opposite atttack like Netherlands, Iran and you could argue even France and Poland. The USA is very balanced in their offensive scheme. Please do not understimate Matt Anderson. We will have a full compliment of a roster and depth at every position. |
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Post by netsetter on Jul 25, 2022 16:07:29 GMT -5
What I do not like is that while most European sports put a huge emphasis on competitive equity, the FIVB has decided not to (while dragging out the international season).
The VNL should have had a format similar to this. 4 pools of 4 or two groups of 8. Pool play taken care of in two weekends (playing each team twice in the case of four-team pools). There should never ever be a situation where teams get to dodge other teams in their group before playoffs. In this case, there was one group and some teams got much easier schedules.
The World Championships were always cool because winning them was a grind. It achieved what the Olympics doesn't try to: having the best teams compete to find out the best team in the world. I agree that I hated the format where a team could advance to the next group but already be eliminated. Again, that is a schedule feature designed by freaking idiots.
Now while I am ok with this tournament being shorter, I would rather have more emphasis on group play and a fewer playoff matches. Round-robin is usually where we find who is the best team. I also have a huge problem with some 3rd place teams qualifying and others don't. This is the biggest tournament in the world, and should be treated like the most important. Every team should have the same chance to show up and win. I am even ok if there were crossover matches between the 3rd place teams to see who goes to the playoffs.
There is no way Ukraine should get a 1 seed. The hosts should never get a 1 seed. The effort should be made to seed teams and schedule matches so that we fairly find out who is the best team. The fact they went with away from the serpentine ranking of the pools this year was stupid. How on Earth is the team ranked 23rd in the world given the 1 seed? When there are 6 pools, how does the number 1 ranked team in the world have the 5th-ranked team in their pool. I know the USA was ranked 7th when the pools were made (and Poland was 2, but there is no way with 6 pools that the 2nd and 7th ranked teams should be in the same pool.
The FIVB is choosing to turn this tournament into a spectacle instead of determining the best player in the world.
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