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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 27, 2021 10:32:44 GMT -5
Swinging whip-like leather reins while riding down migrants but not actually whipping anyone. OK.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 27, 2021 10:40:06 GMT -5
Swinging whip-like leather reins while riding down migrants but not actually whipping anyone. OK. It's not even clear that the Agents are purposefully swinging the reins at the Haitians. In the small clip that's posted here the Agents are trying to use their horses as a barrier and also ward off people from getting too close to the horses.
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Post by ringostar on Sept 27, 2021 10:44:00 GMT -5
Swinging whip-like leather reins while riding down migrants but not actually whipping anyone. OK. LOL - Illegals. Nice workaround and creative writing. Maybe a Psaki replacement
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 27, 2021 10:45:21 GMT -5
Swinging whip-like leather reins while riding down migrants but not actually whipping anyone. OK. It's not even clear that the Agents are purposefully swinging the reins at the Haitians. In the small clip that's posted here the Agents are trying to use their horses as a barrier and also ward off people from getting too close to the horses. In violation of our treaty obligations. They have the right to seek asylum in the United States but cannot do so unless they're on US soil. And then we went and deported 2000 of them. Again, in violation of our treaty obligations.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 27, 2021 10:45:45 GMT -5
Swinging whip-like leather reins while riding down migrants but not actually whipping anyone. OK. LOL - Illegals. Nice workaround and creative writing. Maybe a Psaki replacement Refugees, to be precise.
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Post by ilikewaffles on Sept 27, 2021 11:31:32 GMT -5
It's not even clear that the Agents are purposefully swinging the reins at the Haitians. In the small clip that's posted here the Agents are trying to use their horses as a barrier and also ward off people from getting too close to the horses. In violation of our treaty obligations. They have the right to seek asylum in the United States but cannot do so unless they're on US soil. And then we went and deported 2000 of them. Again, in violation of our treaty obligations. How do 1000's of Haitian "asylum seekers" all show up together at the southern border ? Via chartered cruise ship ? These people are economic migrants; there is no group or government unit in Haiti trying to persecute or kill them. Send them back.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 27, 2021 11:33:51 GMT -5
It's not even clear that the Agents are purposefully swinging the reins at the Haitians. In the small clip that's posted here the Agents are trying to use their horses as a barrier and also ward off people from getting too close to the horses. In violation of our treaty obligations. They have the right to seek asylum in the United States but cannot do so unless they're on US soil. And then we went and deported 2000 of them. Again, in violation of our treaty obligations. Take heart, some refugees are being let into the country. Don't know what the criteria is though www.npr.org/2021/09/23/1040000579/many-haitian-migrants-are-staying-in-the-u-s-even-as-expulsion-flights-rise
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 27, 2021 11:34:37 GMT -5
We have an obligation to allow all of them in until their asylum claims can be processed.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 27, 2021 11:35:51 GMT -5
In violation of our treaty obligations. They have the right to seek asylum in the United States but cannot do so unless they're on US soil. And then we went and deported 2000 of them. Again, in violation of our treaty obligations. How do 1000's of Haitian "asylum seekers" all show up together at the southern border ? Via chartered cruise ship ? This has already been well-documented on this thread and elsewhere. No. They're seeking asylum from a failed state (which we've had a huge hand in creating and we have both a moral and legal obligation to help them.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 27, 2021 11:40:41 GMT -5
In violation of our treaty obligations. They have the right to seek asylum in the United States but cannot do so unless they're on US soil. And then we went and deported 2000 of them. Again, in violation of our treaty obligations. How do 1000's of Haitian "asylum seekers" all show up together at the southern border ? Via chartered cruise ship ? These people are economic migrants; there is no group or government unit in Haiti trying to persecute or kill them. Send them back. There are questions to be sure about how this mess has ballooned the way it did. There is political upheaval going on including the assassination of the Haitian President. On a side note, I assumed it wasn't intended but your use of the term "these people" invokes a tone that, for me, is displeasurable.
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Post by donut on Sept 27, 2021 11:47:14 GMT -5
People who don't understand anything about asylum law, probably shouldn't speak on asylum law.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 27, 2021 11:47:49 GMT -5
We have an obligation to allow all of them in until their asylum claims can be processed. As you've stated before and I don't disagree. The miscommunication in this mess comes from the President. Somehow he gave them the impression that they were to proceed across as they did but then staunchly prevented them from crossing and then got mad at agents who were trying to follow his lead and then let some into the country but then flew others back to Haiti. See? Clear as mud.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Sept 27, 2021 11:50:29 GMT -5
Are these Haitians fearing persecution from their government based on race, nationality, religion, political opinion and membership of a particular social group? A quick Google says that's what the 1951 UN convention and 1967 protocol is about. Am I missing something about what's going on in Haiti? My impression was that they were making this gamble because of extreme poverty and unsafe neighborhoods. You can argue we should let those people in, but it doesn't really seem like that's what the asylum process is intended for.You should do more research on asylum law. It's more complicated than the single sentence you provided. If your government leaves you completely helpless against harm, you could have an asylum claim. Dunc are you saying this might not be the case here?
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Post by donut on Sept 27, 2021 11:53:50 GMT -5
You should do more research on asylum law. It's more complicated than the single sentence you provided. If your government leaves you completely helpless against harm, you could have an asylum claim. Dunc are you saying this might not be the case here? I mean, there are a variety of legal avenues, but yes.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 27, 2021 11:54:26 GMT -5
We have an obligation to allow all of them in until their asylum claims can be processed. As you've stated before and I don't disagree. The miscommunication in this mess comes from the President. Somehow he gave them the impression that they were to proceed across as they did but then staunchly prevented them from crossing and then got mad at agents who were trying to follow his lead and then let some into the country but then flew others back to Haiti. See? Clear as mud. What miscommunication? The administration has been clear since the beginning it would deport people crossing the southern border. They're using the deportation machine Obama built and Trump expanded. The CBP agents are acting exactly how the immigration system trains them to act. The American immigration system is what's unjust and we simply have an administration unwilling to order it to act otherwise.
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