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D2 vs D1
Sept 27, 2021 21:41:02 GMT -5
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Post by volleyball303 on Sept 27, 2021 21:41:02 GMT -5
Where would the D2 national champion end up if playing D1? Are there any conferences they could actually end up challenging for? Do D1 programs ever play D2 schools?
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Post by bayarea on Sept 27, 2021 21:57:47 GMT -5
There are currently 338 D1 women's volleyball programs.
The America East conference schools have an average Pablo ranking of 276.9.
The Northeast conference has an average Pablo ranking of 282.5, including last place Merrimack (at Pablo 338)
But the prize for least competitive D1 conference goes to the Southwestern Athletic Conference with an average Pablo ranking of 325.8!
I'm sure there are quite a few D2 and D3 teams that would beat these lower ranked programs. Several programs have recently moved up from D2 to D1 and been at least in the middle of the pack.
296 Jackson State 3710
317 Arkansas-Pine Bluff 3235
319 Grambling State 3110
321 Alabama State 3080
326 Texas Southern 3035
331 Southern 2600
332 Mississippi Valley State 2400
334 Prairie View A&M 2070
335 Alabama A&M 2030
336 Alcorn State 1985
337 Bethune-Cookman 1950
325.8 Average 2655
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Post by bayarea on Sept 27, 2021 21:59:01 GMT -5
Cal Baptist (Pablo 208) and Grand Canyon (Pablo 88) come to mind? Neither were D2 champions before making the jump.
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Sept 27, 2021 22:07:27 GMT -5
Cal Baptist (Pablo 208) and Grand Canyon (Pablo 88) come to mind? Was gonna say look at the combined Pablo rankings! |
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Post by huskergeek on Sept 27, 2021 22:21:35 GMT -5
Where would the D2 national champion end up if playing D1? Are there any conferences they could actually end up challenging for? Do D1 programs ever play D2 schools? In order: It's tough to tell because they don't play the consistent difficulty of a major conference volleyball schedule, but I believe that there are definitely D2 programs that would be well above average D1 teams. Absolutely. Yes, D1 teams will even play D3 teams occasionally. It is much more common for a D2 team to play a D3 team, but D1 teams do play teams from lower divisions. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 27, 2021 22:26:01 GMT -5
Where would the D2 national champion end up if playing D1? Are there any conferences they could actually end up challenging for? Do D1 programs ever play D2 schools? 1) Yes, D1 schools play D2 schools 2) Yes, pablo ranks d2. 3) pablo composite rankings are not current, but 4) in 2019, the highest-ranked D2 school was after 86 D1 schools in the combined ranking. Think "Oregon State" or "Yale" as D1 comparibles. |
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D2 vs D1
Sept 27, 2021 22:35:00 GMT -5
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Post by n00b on Sept 27, 2021 22:35:00 GMT -5
Cal Baptist (Pablo 208) and Grand Canyon (Pablo 88) come to mind? Neither were D2 champions before making the jump. Grand Canyon moved to D1 in 2013. I don’t think a current Pablo of 88 after 8 years of building a D1 program really tells much about how current D2s would compete with D1s. |
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D2 vs D1
Sept 27, 2021 22:45:57 GMT -5
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Post by dodger on Sept 27, 2021 22:45:57 GMT -5
Where would the D2 national champion end up if playing D1? Are there any conferences they could actually end up challenging for? Do D1 programs ever play D2 schools? 1) Yes, D1 schools play D2 schools 2) Yes, pablo ranks d2. 3) pablo composite rankings are not current, but 4) in 2019, the highest-ranked D2 school was after 86 D1 schools in the combined ranking. Think "Oregon State" or "Yale" as D1 comparibles. D1 does not play D2 or 3 anymore. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 27, 2021 23:08:21 GMT -5
1) Yes, D1 schools play D2 schools 2) Yes, pablo ranks d2. 3) pablo composite rankings are not current, but 4) in 2019, the highest-ranked D2 school was after 86 D1 schools in the combined ranking. Think "Oregon State" or "Yale" as D1 comparibles. D1 does not play D2 or 3 anymore. When did that change? |
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D2 vs D1
Sept 27, 2021 23:19:37 GMT -5
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Post by dodger on Sept 27, 2021 23:19:37 GMT -5
D1 does not play D2 or 3 anymore. When did that change? When ncaa went to rpi as a selection tool and the way they treat d2 on your schedule: all conferences that i am aware of told there coaches no D2 or NAIA: not only bad for tour rpi but also effects orher schools in your conference. And if you play a Canadian university they will count it as a D2 contest on your RPI! Why schedule a D2 ? Loosing would effect rpi, recruiting, etc etc. D1 used to play d2 d3 and naia! Eventually all the crossover went away! No ncaa rule conference scheduling guidelines |
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D2 vs D1
Sept 27, 2021 23:21:48 GMT -5
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Post by dodger on Sept 27, 2021 23:21:48 GMT -5
Years ago when bill neville coaching washington he ran a tourney with 3 D1’s and a canadian university. Beating the canandian team didnt help!
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 27, 2021 23:35:18 GMT -5
When ncaa went to rpi as a selection tool and the way they treat d2 on your schedule: all conferences that i am aware of told there coaches no D2 or NAIA: not only bad for tour rpi but also effects orher schools in your conference. And if you play a Canadian university they will count it as a D2 contest on your RPI! Why schedule a D2 ? Loosing would effect rpi, recruiting, etc etc. D1 used to play d2 d3 and naia! Eventually all the crossover went away! No ncaa rule conference scheduling guidelines Well, OK, but you are not saying it is a rule? Just something most teams don't do? There used to be a fair number of teams in the really low D1 conferences that would play crossovers with D2 and NAIA teams. I mean, none of these teams are expecting to be at-larges in the tournament anyway, so what do they care about RPI? |
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D2 vs D1
Sept 27, 2021 23:37:48 GMT -5
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Post by dodger on Sept 27, 2021 23:37:48 GMT -5
When ncaa went to rpi as a selection tool and the way they treat d2 on your schedule: all conferences that i am aware of told there coaches no D2 or NAIA: not only bad for tour rpi but also effects orher schools in your conference. And if you play a Canadian university they will count it as a D2 contest on your RPI! Why schedule a D2 ? Loosing would effect rpi, recruiting, etc etc. D1 used to play d2 d3 and naia! Eventually all the crossover went away! No ncaa rule conference scheduling guidelines Well, OK, but you are not saying it is a rule? Just something most teams don't do? There used to be a fair number of teams in the really low D1 conferences that would play crossovers with D2 and NAIA teams. I mean, none of these teams are expecting to be at-larges in the tournament anyway, so what do they care about RPI? Agree with: “there is no rule” but when your conference commisioner tells you “no D2 or 3” that’s a pretty good “rule for me! |
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Post by jayj79 on Sept 27, 2021 23:38:24 GMT -5
There are some conferences who have no real chance of getting an at-large bid to the NCAA tourney, so RPI doesn't really mean much to them.
It wouldn't surprise me if some of those programs played D2 or D3 teams on occasion.
(but I'm also currently too lazy to go digging through schedules to check if that is the case)
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Post by trollhunter on Sept 28, 2021 1:10:44 GMT -5
Bottom half D1 teams do play D2 and NAIA occasionally, sometimes for short travel, to try to get wins, as exhibitions, etc. If you look at prior years threads on Undefeated and Winless you can see mention of it, as there was dispute if beating D2 or NAIA should get teams off the Winless list.
Also, the NCAA DI RPI spreadsheet lists the number of non-DI games, if you want to research the matchups. These are almost always D2 or NAIA. Not many this year, but I imagine there will be more next year with COVID waning and a more similar start date due to it being a D2 Festival year. Prior years had at least double the amount of crossover this year.
Delaware State vs Bowie State this year is an example.
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