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Post by vbnerd on Jun 28, 2023 22:20:29 GMT -5
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jun 28, 2023 22:46:38 GMT -5
what is this? the Western Leftovers Conference? the Mountain Pac? Please Choose Me! conference |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jun 28, 2023 23:19:30 GMT -5
Best of the Rest in the West.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 30, 2023 16:29:56 GMT -5
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Post by brooselee on Jun 30, 2023 19:37:07 GMT -5
SDSU in the Big 12 makes little sense. It would stretch the conference coast to coast. How much money would it cost for a schools like West Virginia/UCF to fly their Olympic sports across country the entire year? I don’t think they will be happy. Even a school like Cincinnati would have to fly 2,000 plus miles to get to SD. SD would be more than likely be imposed with paying travel subsidies to current members like how Hawaii is forced to pay in the MWC and the BW. If SD refuses, then the Big 12 will move on. It’s not like SDSU is a must get for the conference. The media has made SDSU into some kind of next level team when in reality, they are really more of a G5 program who happened to be in SoCal. Except for this year basketball team, the school’s athletic program doesn’t scream big time. A media analysis company did a study to see if SDSU brought in large viewership for their football program and the company found out that SDSU football games does not draw well at all. No real national following and even doesn’t attract much from other parts of SoCal. Fans of LA teams are not going to start following SDSU just because they are in the PAC 12. Many will follow USC and UCLA and follow the BIG 10. The idea that SDSU will help alleviate the lost of USC and UCLA is flawed on many levels. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 30, 2023 20:37:35 GMT -5
I forgot to post this earlier, but Brett Yormark did an interview yesterday and said that he'd like for the Big 12 to stay at 14 after Texas and Oklahoma leave. This is noteworthy because the conventional wisdom seemed to be that the Big 12 might want to go to 16 teams. I was always a bit skeptical of that because I though they'd like to leave room for some ACC targets if/when that conference blows up. 14 would mean two more additions. Yormark also stressed that any new additions would need to be additive, and he wants schools who are good fits and want to be in the Big 12, not just coming because of a better TV deal.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 1, 2023 9:49:40 GMT -5
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Post by bigjohn043 on Jul 1, 2023 11:38:38 GMT -5
SDSU in the Big 12 makes little sense. It would stretch the conference coast to coast. How much money would it cost for a schools like West Virginia/UCF to fly their Olympic sports across country the entire year? I don’t think they will be happy. Even a school like Cincinnati would have to fly 2,000 plus miles to get to SD. SD would be more than likely be imposed with paying travel subsidies to current members like how Hawaii is forced to pay in the MWC and the BW. If SD refuses, then the Big 12 will move on. It’s not like SDSU is a must get for the conference. The media has made SDSU into some kind of next level team when in reality, they are really more of a G5 program who happened to be in SoCal. Except for this year basketball team, the school’s athletic program doesn’t scream big time. A media analysis company did a study to see if SDSU brought in large viewership for their football program and the company found out that SDSU football games does not draw well at all. No real national following and even doesn’t attract much from other parts of SoCal. Fans of LA teams are not going to start following SDSU just because they are in the PAC 12. Many will follow USC and UCLA and follow the BIG 10. The idea that SDSU will help alleviate the lost of USC and UCLA is flawed on many levels. Today SDSU is a G5 program in socal. That is just a fact. And as such they don't draw a ton. The question is what happens when they become a P5 program? They will almost certainly draw better playing a P12 schedule rather than a MW. Lots of SDSU alumni and others are more likely to follow the program as part of the P12. They will certainly recruit better. And FWIW, there are also considerations like recruiting and attracting students that makes having a socal presence important. |
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Post by brooselee on Jul 1, 2023 17:45:23 GMT -5
SDSU in the Big 12 makes little sense. It would stretch the conference coast to coast. How much money would it cost for a schools like West Virginia/UCF to fly their Olympic sports across country the entire year? I don’t think they will be happy. Even a school like Cincinnati would have to fly 2,000 plus miles to get to SD. SD would be more than likely be imposed with paying travel subsidies to current members like how Hawaii is forced to pay in the MWC and the BW. If SD refuses, then the Big 12 will move on. It’s not like SDSU is a must get for the conference. The media has made SDSU into some kind of next level team when in reality, they are really more of a G5 program who happened to be in SoCal. Except for this year basketball team, the school’s athletic program doesn’t scream big time. A media analysis company did a study to see if SDSU brought in large viewership for their football program and the company found out that SDSU football games does not draw well at all. No real national following and even doesn’t attract much from other parts of SoCal. Fans of LA teams are not going to start following SDSU just because they are in the PAC 12. Many will follow USC and UCLA and follow the BIG 10. The idea that SDSU will help alleviate the lost of USC and UCLA is flawed on many levels. Today SDSU is a G5 program in socal. That is just a fact. And as such they don't draw a ton. The question is what happens when they become a P5 program? They will almost certainly draw better playing a P12 schedule rather than a MW. Lots of SDSU alumni and others are more likely to follow the program as part of the P12. They will certainly recruit better. And FWIW, there are also considerations like recruiting and attracting students that makes having a socal presence important. That's a big assumption to make. They could not sell out a 35000 seat stadium against UA the first game of the year last season. They really have no national following. I don't think many on the east coast will tune in to WSU vs SDSU or OsU vs SDSU or CAL vs SDSU. If they cannot dominate the MWC, I don't see them being all that great in the PAC 12. They will probably be on par with WSU and OSU. Is that what the PAC 12:is looking for? |
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 1, 2023 20:42:47 GMT -5
SDSU in the Big 12 makes little sense. It would stretch the conference coast to coast. That, in fact, was the point. Being a coast to coast conference with 4 time zones of programing was the whole idea behind UA or SDSU or Fresno joining the Big 12. I'm sure nobody is surprised if it wound up not making sense financially, but the Big 12's VP of leaking stuff has been very active the past year and clearly they are not running all the gossip by the presidents first. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2023 23:47:30 GMT -5
So here’s a question. With the BIG adding usc and ucla now , if they went out and got Washington and Oregon which many expect and say Stanford to lure ND does BIG even need to ever play any OOC games anymore? In reg season I’m referring to
I’m not entirely sold on it being Washington and Oregon yet. I hear BIG is looking at ACC teams like Miami and Florida state. They want their hand in Florida market. For PAC Washington makes since Oregon not so much. Not big enough market. What are they without nike money? Stanford makes most sense with their ties to ND cause everyone knows that’s the apple of BIG eye. Always has been. They have already pulled in USC who ND plays every year , if they got Stanford also with the future instability of ACC idk. I get that there’s that huge buyout right now but if enough teams want out they can find way through that
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Post by slxpress on Jul 18, 2023 0:16:48 GMT -5
So here’s a question. With the BIG adding usc and ucla now , if they went out and got Washington and Oregon which many expect and say Stanford to lure ND does BIG even need to ever play any OOC games anymore? In reg season I’m referring to I’m not entirely sold on it being Washington and Oregon yet. I hear BIG is looking at ACC teams like Miami and Florida state. They want their hand in Florida market. For PAC Washington makes since Oregon not so much. Not big enough market. What are they without nike money? Stanford makes most sense with their ties to ND cause everyone knows that’s the apple of BIG eye. Always has been. They have already pulled in USC who ND plays every year , if they got Stanford also with the future instability of ACC idk. I get that there’s that huge buyout right now but if enough teams want out they can find way through that I don’t think the grant of rights applies to Notre Dame in the same way because they’re independent in football. It’s not like their basketball media rights are worth all that much. I think the main thing is that everyone associated with Notre Dame loves their independence. They’d rather get less money than have a conference affiliation in football. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 0:37:08 GMT -5
So here’s a question. With the BIG adding usc and ucla now , if they went out and got Washington and Oregon which many expect and say Stanford to lure ND does BIG even need to ever play any OOC games anymore? In reg season I’m referring to I’m not entirely sold on it being Washington and Oregon yet. I hear BIG is looking at ACC teams like Miami and Florida state. They want their hand in Florida market. For PAC Washington makes since Oregon not so much. Not big enough market. What are they without nike money? Stanford makes most sense with their ties to ND cause everyone knows that’s the apple of BIG eye. Always has been. They have already pulled in USC who ND plays every year , if they got Stanford also with the future instability of ACC idk. I get that there’s that huge buyout right now but if enough teams want out they can find way through that I don’t think the grant of rights applies to Notre Dame in the same way because they’re independent in football. It’s not like their basketball media rights are worth all that much. I think the main thing is that everyone associated with Notre Dame loves their independence. They’d rather get less money than have a conference affiliation in football. I agree but depending on what happens they could be forced to. If SEC and BIG swallow up all these teams and anyone not in those two conferences doesn’t get those matchups they would almost be forced to. ND does have their hockey team in BIG. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 18, 2023 1:01:43 GMT -5
So here’s a question. With the BIG adding usc and ucla now , if they went out and got Washington and Oregon which many expect and say Stanford to lure ND does BIG even need to ever play any OOC games anymore? In reg season I’m referring to I’m not entirely sold on it being Washington and Oregon yet. I hear BIG is looking at ACC teams like Miami and Florida state. They want their hand in Florida market. For PAC Washington makes since Oregon not so much. Not big enough market. What are they without nike money? Stanford makes most sense with their ties to ND cause everyone knows that’s the apple of BIG eye. Always has been. They have already pulled in USC who ND plays every year , if they got Stanford also with the future instability of ACC idk. I get that there’s that huge buyout right now but if enough teams want out they can find way through that I don't think Notre Dame really care about Stanford. They care about playing a school in California every year, but they could easily replace Stanford with UCLA. There was an article in the last couple weeks that said that NBC would like Notre Dame to play more Big Ten games in exchange for a higher TV payout. So swapping Stanford for UCLA would kill two birds with one stone by guaranteeing a Big Ten/LA home-and-home every season. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 18, 2023 1:04:56 GMT -5
I don’t think the grant of rights applies to Notre Dame in the same way because they’re independent in football. It’s not like their basketball media rights are worth all that much. I think the main thing is that everyone associated with Notre Dame loves their independence. They’d rather get less money than have a conference affiliation in football. I agree but depending on what happens they could be forced to. If SEC and BIG swallow up all these teams and anyone not in those two conferences doesn’t get those matchups they would almost be forced to. ND does have their hockey team in BIG. The thing is, the SEC has a vested interest in helping Notre Dame stay independent. |
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