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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 1:08:04 GMT -5
I agree but depending on what happens they could be forced to. If SEC and BIG swallow up all these teams and anyone not in those two conferences doesn’t get those matchups they would almost be forced to. ND does have their hockey team in BIG. The thing is, the SEC has a vested interest in helping Notre Dame stay independent. May not matter. I’m very interested to see what FSU does and everyone seems to have Clemson pegged for SEC. I’m not so sure. FSU and Clemson seem to have a strong tie and if Clemson were to follow FSU to BIG if they choose that then game over. SEC would lose leverage. I mean if ND joined BIG game over for SEC also. They would never be able to catch what BIG brings in. I think ND and those ACC schools are key. It’s why BIG never made the move for Oregon and Washington yet. I think pac is dead. The question now becomes does the sec or BIg play this better from this point on now. Cause let’s be real. If these two conferences take many more top tier programs they will have the power to decide what college football will be. The NCAA will become powerless |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 18, 2023 1:15:41 GMT -5
They’d rather get less money than have a conference affiliation in football. Lol. As if. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 1:21:35 GMT -5
Seeing the moves BiG has made in the past I’m 100 percent certain they will do anything possible to get that Florida market. They will go after Miami or FSU when they can and FSU was just accepted I believe as a AAU school.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 18, 2023 7:44:26 GMT -5
So here’s a question. With the BIG adding usc and ucla now , if they went out and got Washington and Oregon which many expect and say Stanford to lure ND does BIG even need to ever play any OOC games anymore? In reg season I’m referring to I’m not entirely sold on it being Washington and Oregon yet. I hear BIG is looking at ACC teams like Miami and Florida state. They want their hand in Florida market. For PAC Washington makes since Oregon not so much. Not big enough market. What are they without nike money? Stanford makes most sense with their ties to ND cause everyone knows that’s the apple of BIG eye. Always has been. They have already pulled in USC who ND plays every year , if they got Stanford also with the future instability of ACC idk. I get that there’s that huge buyout right now but if enough teams want out they can find way through that I don't think Notre Dame really care about Stanford. They care about playing a school in California every year, but they could easily replace Stanford with UCLA. There was an article in the last couple weeks that said that NBC would like Notre Dame to play more Big Ten games in exchange for a higher TV payout. So swapping Stanford for UCLA would kill two birds with one stone by guaranteeing a Big Ten/LA home-and-home every season. It would not surprise me if Notre Dame ditched playing at Stanford every other year and instead found a (rotating) opponent to play at San Francisco's NFL stadium; could still be Stanford, just not in Palo Alto. But, since they also play Stanford at home annually, they'd have to find a home replacement, as well. I do find it interesting that Notre Dame plays at either USC or Stanford annually but always on the Saturday immediately after Thanksgiving; yet they play those teams at home typically in October. I do think it's a tactical decision for recruiting (and for their Cali alumni) to play in either southern California or northern California every other year; don't see that changing where ND only plays in southern California every year. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 18, 2023 8:10:55 GMT -5
Seeing the moves BiG has made in the past I’m 100 percent certain they will do anything possible to get that Florida market. They will go after Miami or FSU when they can and FSU was just accepted I believe as a AAU school. ACC schools (and this doesn't include Notre Dame) - is off the table for probably close to 10 more years. I just don't see any major realignment happening w/o the ACC, unless it is Notre Dame or some unequal revenue sharing with WA/OR. I don't think Stanford is anywhere around the convo right now. If Stanford got the B1G ND, then yes. If Boise State got ND, then the B1G would do it. I just don't see how Stanford (or any other school) would get ND to move? |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 18, 2023 9:11:38 GMT -5
The thing is, the SEC has a vested interest in helping Notre Dame stay independent. May not matter. I’m very interested to see what FSU does and everyone seems to have Clemson pegged for SEC. I’m not so sure. FSU and Clemson seem to have a strong tie and if Clemson were to follow FSU to BIG if they choose that then game over. SEC would lose leverage. I mean if ND joined BIG game over for SEC also. They would never be able to catch what BIG brings in. I think ND and those ACC schools are key. It’s why BIG never made the move for Oregon and Washington yet. I think pac is dead. The question now becomes does the sec or BIg play this better from this point on now. Cause let’s be real. If these two conferences take many more top tier programs they will have the power to decide what college football will be. The NCAA will become powerless Clemson and Florida State go to the SEC. I can't imagine why either would prefer the Big Ten over the SEC. I suppose if the SEC doesn't want those schools for some reason, then they would go to the Big Ten. But I don't think the SEC wants the Big Ten establishing a foothold in its territory. Miami is the really interesting school. I keep hearing that the SEC isn't interested, but do they really want to let the Big Ten just add a school in Florida with five titles? Edit: As bluepenquin points out, the ACC schools can't really move for a while unless they figure out a way around their grant of rights. For this reason, I think the SEC and Big Ten are both content to stop at 16 until the valuable schools in the ACC become available. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 18, 2023 9:15:58 GMT -5
I don't think Notre Dame really care about Stanford. They care about playing a school in California every year, but they could easily replace Stanford with UCLA. There was an article in the last couple weeks that said that NBC would like Notre Dame to play more Big Ten games in exchange for a higher TV payout. So swapping Stanford for UCLA would kill two birds with one stone by guaranteeing a Big Ten/LA home-and-home every season. It would not surprise me if Notre Dame ditched playing at Stanford every other year and instead found a (rotating) opponent to play at San Francisco's NFL stadium; could still be Stanford, just not in Palo Alto. But, since they also play Stanford at home annually, they'd have to find a home replacement, as well. I do find it interesting that Notre Dame plays at either USC or Stanford annually but always on the Saturday immediately after Thanksgiving; yet they play those teams at home typically in October. I do think it's a tactical decision for recruiting (and for their Cali alumni) to play in either southern California or northern California every other year; don't see that changing where ND only plays in southern California every year. You might be right, but if they need to schedule more Big Ten schools to appease NBC, UCLA for Stanford is an easy fix. I guess we'll see. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 9:42:45 GMT -5
Seeing the moves BiG has made in the past I’m 100 percent certain they will do anything possible to get that Florida market. They will go after Miami or FSU when they can and FSU was just accepted I believe as a AAU school. ACC schools (and this doesn't include Notre Dame) - is off the table for probably close to 10 more years. I just don't see any major realignment happening w/o the ACC, unless it is Notre Dame or some unequal revenue sharing with WA/OR. I don't think Stanford is anywhere around the convo right now. If Stanford got the B1G ND, then yes. If Boise State got ND, then the B1G would do it. I just don't see how Stanford (or any other school) would get ND to move? I’ve heard if enough teams want out they can force the division to collapse. There were rumors that they had 7 or 8 teams that wanted out. Nothing in life is ironclad. Theirs always loopholes in everything. Just have to find them Also it could not happen right away but in a few years cause I heard the more years the go by the less the exit fee penalty is. Most things I have heard have that conference breaking up Way before the 10 years on that contract. Plus Disney owns that contract and they are hemmorraging money right now so much they are looking to start selling off parts of company. Who knows what things will be in next few years. They could sell that off to someone else. It’s very likely Disney is prepping to be sold off in next couple years and whoever gets it what are they gonna want and not want and what will they do with what they get |
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 18, 2023 11:21:37 GMT -5
ACC schools (and this doesn't include Notre Dame) - is off the table for probably close to 10 more years. I just don't see any major realignment happening w/o the ACC, unless it is Notre Dame or some unequal revenue sharing with WA/OR. I don't think Stanford is anywhere around the convo right now. If Stanford got the B1G ND, then yes. If Boise State got ND, then the B1G would do it. I just don't see how Stanford (or any other school) would get ND to move? I’ve heard if enough teams want out they can force the division to collapse. There were rumors that they had 7 or 8 teams that wanted out. Nothing in life is ironclad. Theirs always loopholes in everything. Just have to find them Also it could not happen right away but in a few years cause I heard the more years the go by the less the exit fee penalty is. Most things I have heard have that conference breaking up Way before the 10 years on that contract. Plus Disney owns that contract and they are hemmorraging money right now so much they are looking to start selling off parts of company. Who knows what things will be in next few years. They could sell that off to someone else. It’s very likely Disney is prepping to be sold off in next couple years and whoever gets it what are they gonna want and not want and what will they do with what they get ESPN has a great deal with the ACC. I don't see a reason for them backing out (things could change). This GOR with the ACC is huge. Several universities have looked for a way out - and it is apparent there is no easy way out. The cost to leave becomes less severe as they get closer to the end of the contract, but this contract as written is severe to anyone wanting to leave. Essentially, the ACC would own all media rights through the contract - even if the school leaves. That alone is a deal breaker. Then there are exit fees and other expenses associated with leaving. TX/OK is a good example - they were able to get out of the GOR with the B12 for just the last year and it came with a cost and a negotiated settlement with the B12. That negotiated settlement wasn't happening with 10 years left on the contract. It didn't happen with 2 years left on the contract - it took that last year. The ACC GOR contract was structured almost exactly like the B12 contract - refered to as being 'ironclad'. What I don't know - what if a majority of the ACC universities want out - or how many have to want out for the ACC to no longer exist? 7 have been reported as wanting out - that isn't enough to break the ACC. They will need more. And even among the 7 that want out, not convinced that all 7 would get an invite to either the B1G or SEC. I do think this will come up before 10 years. But I don't see this happening anytime soon. |
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Post by slxpress on Jul 18, 2023 11:37:56 GMT -5
ACC schools (and this doesn't include Notre Dame) - is off the table for probably close to 10 more years. I just don't see any major realignment happening w/o the ACC, unless it is Notre Dame or some unequal revenue sharing with WA/OR. I don't think Stanford is anywhere around the convo right now. If Stanford got the B1G ND, then yes. If Boise State got ND, then the B1G would do it. I just don't see how Stanford (or any other school) would get ND to move? I’ve heard if enough teams want out they can force the division to collapse. There were rumors that they had 7 or 8 teams that wanted out. Nothing in life is ironclad. Theirs always loopholes in everything. Just have to find them Also it could not happen right away but in a few years cause I heard the more years the go by the less the exit fee penalty is. Most things I have heard have that conference breaking up Way before the 10 years on that contract. Plus Disney owns that contract and they are hemmorraging money right now so much they are looking to start selling off parts of company. Who knows what things will be in next few years. They could sell that off to someone else. It’s very likely Disney is prepping to be sold off in next couple years and whoever gets it what are they gonna want and not want and what will they do with what they get Disney is not going to be sold off. Perhaps you meant to say specifically ESPN is hurting because of declining cable subscribers and rising content costs, and that ESPN might be sold off. That would make a lot more sense. |
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Post by slxpress on Jul 18, 2023 11:43:50 GMT -5
I’ve heard if enough teams want out they can force the division to collapse. There were rumors that they had 7 or 8 teams that wanted out. Nothing in life is ironclad. Theirs always loopholes in everything. Just have to find them Also it could not happen right away but in a few years cause I heard the more years the go by the less the exit fee penalty is. Most things I have heard have that conference breaking up Way before the 10 years on that contract. Plus Disney owns that contract and they are hemmorraging money right now so much they are looking to start selling off parts of company. Who knows what things will be in next few years. They could sell that off to someone else. It’s very likely Disney is prepping to be sold off in next couple years and whoever gets it what are they gonna want and not want and what will they do with what they get ESPN has a great deal with the ACC. I don't see a reason for them backing out (things could change). This GOR with the ACC is huge. Several universities have looked for a way out - and it is apparent there is no easy way out. The cost to leave becomes less severe as they get closer to the end of the contract, but this contract as written is severe to anyone wanting to leave. Essentially, the ACC would own all media rights through the contract - even if the school leaves. That alone is a deal breaker. Then there are exit fees and other expenses associated with leaving. TX/OK is a good example - they were able to get out of the GOR with the B12 for just the last year and it came with a cost and a negotiated settlement with the B12. That negotiated settlement wasn't happening with 10 years left on the contract. It didn't happen with 2 years left on the contract - it took that last year. The ACC GOR contract was structured almost exactly like the B12 contract - refered to as being 'ironclad'. What I don't know - what if a majority of the ACC universities want out - or how many have to want out for the ACC to no longer exist? 7 have been reported as wanting out - that isn't enough to break the ACC. They will need more. And even among the 7 that want out, not convinced that all 7 would get an invite to either the B1G or SEC. I do think this will come up before 10 years. But I don't see this happening anytime soon. Just to be clear, Texas could’ve gotten out of the contract sooner, but the price was too steep for OU and CBS had no interest in paying more for their short term rights, so the bigger factor was the move of the SEC from CBS to ESPN, not the GOR restrictions or the negotiations required for the Big 12 schools to waive them. Doesn’t change anything you’re saying about the ACC, but there’s some misapplication of what was learned from the GOR waiver in the Big 12’s case. Bottom line though is the exit wasn’t cheap, that’s for sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 11:44:48 GMT -5
I’ve heard if enough teams want out they can force the division to collapse. There were rumors that they had 7 or 8 teams that wanted out. Nothing in life is ironclad. Theirs always loopholes in everything. Just have to find them Also it could not happen right away but in a few years cause I heard the more years the go by the less the exit fee penalty is. Most things I have heard have that conference breaking up Way before the 10 years on that contract. Plus Disney owns that contract and they are hemmorraging money right now so much they are looking to start selling off parts of company. Who knows what things will be in next few years. They could sell that off to someone else. It’s very likely Disney is prepping to be sold off in next couple years and whoever gets it what are they gonna want and not want and what will they do with what they get Disney is not going to be sold off. Perhaps you meant to say specifically ESPN is hurting because of declining cable subscribers and rising content costs, and that ESPN might be sold off. That would make a lot more sense. I wouldn’t be so sure. Many think it’s gonna be bought by apple in next few years. It’s a fact the company is not healthy right now and are scambling to find money. Their stock just hit the lowest it’s been since 2004. People can think what they want and Disney and news medias can try and protect by spinning things however they want but they are in trouble |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 18, 2023 12:02:30 GMT -5
I’ve heard if enough teams want out they can force the division to collapse. There were rumors that they had 7 or 8 teams that wanted out. Nothing in life is ironclad. Theirs always loopholes in everything. Just have to find them Also it could not happen right away but in a few years cause I heard the more years the go by the less the exit fee penalty is. Most things I have heard have that conference breaking up Way before the 10 years on that contract. Plus Disney owns that contract and they are hemmorraging money right now so much they are looking to start selling off parts of company. Who knows what things will be in next few years. They could sell that off to someone else. It’s very likely Disney is prepping to be sold off in next couple years and whoever gets it what are they gonna want and not want and what will they do with what they get ESPN has a great deal with the ACC. I don't see a reason for them backing out (things could change). This GOR with the ACC is huge. Several universities have looked for a way out - and it is apparent there is no easy way out. The cost to leave becomes less severe as they get closer to the end of the contract, but this contract as written is severe to anyone wanting to leave. Essentially, the ACC would own all media rights through the contract - even if the school leaves. That alone is a deal breaker. Then there are exit fees and other expenses associated with leaving. TX/OK is a good example - they were able to get out of the GOR with the B12 for just the last year and it came with a cost and a negotiated settlement with the B12. That negotiated settlement wasn't happening with 10 years left on the contract. It didn't happen with 2 years left on the contract - it took that last year. The ACC GOR contract was structured almost exactly like the B12 contract - refered to as being 'ironclad'. What I don't know - what if a majority of the ACC universities want out - or how many have to want out for the ACC to no longer exist? 7 have been reported as wanting out - that isn't enough to break the ACC. They will need more. And even among the 7 that want out, not convinced that all 7 would get an invite to either the B1G or SEC. I do think this will come up before 10 years. But I don't see this happening anytime soon. Frankly, I'm not convinced that even if every school in the conference wanted out (which is certainly not the case--Wake Forest and Boston College have nowhere to go), it would work. Because they still have the contract with ESPN, and ESPN has zero reason to end the contract early. Granted, it would help if we could find the actual bylaws that govern the dissolution of the conference, if that's even covered. But I tend to think if there was an easy way out, it would have happened already. Florida State, Clemson and Miami (and I guess North Carolina) are clearly unhappy with the current ACC contract, but there isn't much they can really do aside from somehow persuading Notre Dame to join as a full member. And Notre Dame has absolutely zero interest in doing that. |
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Post by slxpress on Jul 18, 2023 12:03:50 GMT -5
Disney is not going to be sold off. Perhaps you meant to say specifically ESPN is hurting because of declining cable subscribers and rising content costs, and that ESPN might be sold off. That would make a lot more sense. I wouldn’t be so sure. Many think it’s gonna be bought by apple in next few years. It’s a fact the company is not healthy right now and are scambling to find money. Their stock just hit the lowest it’s been since 2004. People can think what they want and Disney and news medias can try and protect by spinning things however they want but they are in trouble Well, we’ll see. We’re in a highly disruptive period for media companies. I also hate the movie industry business model, and have for a couple of decades. But Disney has a lot of valuable assets. A company loses half their value in a short span of time and it’s fair to say they’re in crisis mode. But I still believe it’s way more likely ESPN is spun off than Disney gets bought out. But we’ll see. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 12:57:39 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be so sure. Many think it’s gonna be bought by apple in next few years. It’s a fact the company is not healthy right now and are scambling to find money. Their stock just hit the lowest it’s been since 2004. People can think what they want and Disney and news medias can try and protect by spinning things however they want but they are in trouble Well, we’ll see. We’re in a highly disruptive period for media companies. I also hate the movie industry business model, and have for a couple of decades. But Disney has a lot of valuable assets. A company loses half their value in a short span of time and it’s fair to say they’re in crisis mode. But I still believe it’s way more likely ESPN is spun off than Disney gets bought out. But we’ll see. They have had failure after failure in movies and tv and streaming but we know most their money comes from parks. But even that is struggling now. Tell me you have seen that ultimate disaster that is the new Snow White. I’d be shocked that if In end it didn’t go straight to Disney plus. Hollywood is straight allergic to creativity now it seems. Same crap over and over and over. Lol |
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