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Post by savannahbadger on Jul 28, 2023 13:16:39 GMT -5
and now Northwestern should be prime targets for "relegation". My dream scenario would be for the NU regents to decide to close up shop on D1 athletics like the University of Chicago did decade ago, though for different reasons. |
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Post by boxcariii on Jul 28, 2023 13:24:25 GMT -5
and now Northwestern should be prime targets for "relegation". My dream scenario would be for the NU regents to decide to close up shop on D1 athletics like the University of Chicago did decade ago, though for different reasons. I live in Nebraska and have the same dream about our regents. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 28, 2023 13:47:11 GMT -5
Cal or Stanford would be such a monumental shock - the phrase 'surprise' wouldn't do proper justice. That’s why I think it’s likely to be one of those two. The academic factor would be THE biggest factor in why they’d be such a surprise, TBH. That’s why one of the two is destined to be a target of the Big Ten, but not both. As someone else noted, either of those two (or both) could end up in the MWC if they don’t act, though Stanford could reasonably become an independent. I don’t think Cal could pull that off. If someone really wanted Washington and Oregon, they’d be in a conference right now. I don’t see the Big Ten getting enough value in those two, as that would dilute the shares of the TV money. Notre Dame is the endgame, and they’ll take whatever is left on the board of the current PAC-12 schools. ND brings enough to offset the dilution of another member, even if it was a MAC/Sun Belt level school. I have heard from several sources that has implied Oregon is the surprise school and now I have heard from a source that mentions Oregon by name. At this point there is no doubt in my mind that if there is a surprise school - it is Oregon. I have also heard that Oregon is sort of putting this out there to see if the B1G will move - so it may be nothing but total smoke. Cal and Stanford aren't athletic money motivated - at least they are giving no indication that they care. In addition - the B12 would probably have no interest in Cal even if there was any interest on the other side. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 28, 2023 14:31:49 GMT -5
B12 short term dream scenario is probably Colorado, Oregon, Washington, and Arizona. By getting Colorado to commit first - they have forced the hand with Arizona leaving Arizona State behind and given Utah a big 'No'. If Oregon and Washington don't come - then this may still move Arizona to leave Arizona State behind - as the B12 would probably stop at 14 for now. I agree. That is supported by this tweet: The way I interpret this is that the Big 12 has free reign to add an additional four corners school or UConn. And they can also add Washington and Oregon. But if Washington and Oregon decide to stay put or get a Big Ten invite, then I think they stop at 14. The networks really are the ones who call the shots. Even if the Big 12 technically can add any four P5 schools, they really have to think about the next contract too and what the TV partners prefer. Edit: The first tweet that is truncated goes on to say that the Big 12 will move on UConn if Arizona doesn't jump. The second tweet that is truncated goes on to say that it may make more sense to stop at 14 and wait for the ACC to inevitably break up down the line. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 29, 2023 7:18:42 GMT -5
www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-expansion-conference-prefers-to-add-one-more-school-after-colorado-with-arizona-seen-as-favorite/What was new to me in this - 7/1/24 (11 months from now) becomes a key date in terms of B12 expansion. Any current P5 school that joins the B12 before this date - 1 year before the new media rights contract with ESPN and FOX kicks in - will get full media rights. The B12 will be effectively 'locking' in their schools through 2031 once that 7/1/24 date hits. It is unlikely that the B12 will be at 13 schools through 2031 - so they are likely to add 1 more school within the next 11 months. Adding 3 more is possible - but I expect that Oregon or Washington would have to be included for the B12 to add 3 more.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 29, 2023 10:31:45 GMT -5
www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-expansion-conference-prefers-to-add-one-more-school-after-colorado-with-arizona-seen-as-favorite/What was new to me in this - 7/1/24 (11 months from now) becomes a key date in terms of B12 expansion. Any current P5 school that joins the B12 before this date - 1 year before the new media rights contract with ESPN and FOX kicks in - will get full media rights. The B12 will be effectively 'locking' in their schools through 2031 once that 7/1/24 date hits. It is unlikely that the B12 will be at 13 schools through 2031 - so they are likely to add 1 more school within the next 11 months. Adding 3 more is possible - but I expect that Oregon or Washington would have to be included for the B12 to add 3 more. I agree. I think the networks have made it clear that they want it to be 14 unless the extra two (probably exactly Oregon and Washington) are compelling. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 29, 2023 13:58:44 GMT -5
Colorado alum and lead Fox Sports analyst Joel Klatt had a really insightful podcast on the media landscape, Pac-12, Big 12 and Colorado.
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Post by n00b on Jul 29, 2023 16:10:33 GMT -5
The UConn thing confuses me.
They stink at football. And they stunk at basketball when they weren’t in a league with their traditional rivals in the Big East. Their football program is just so awful that I don’t understand the desire to add them.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jul 29, 2023 16:48:42 GMT -5
The Big 10 is trying to justify taking a cut to share with UW. They will not then also reduce their share to let in Washington State, anymore than they will then add Western, Eastern and Central Washington, as well as the Puyallup College for Typewriter Maintenance. I do believe you just made up "the Puyallup College for Typewriter Maintenance". But how about the Evergreen State College Geoducks? www.evergreen.edu/geoduck/speedy-evergreens-geoduck-mascotOr the North Seattle College Tree Frogs Go Trogs! |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jul 29, 2023 17:36:33 GMT -5
In my la-la land, Stanford and ND to the Big Ten, Nebraska gets shipped back to the Big 12, and the B1G trades Maryland to the ACC for UNC and GT. Yeah, dream on ... I'm not convinced that UNC or GT would find great success in the B1G. |
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Post by horns1 on Jul 29, 2023 18:38:18 GMT -5
The UConn thing confuses me. They stink at football. And they stunk at basketball when they weren’t in a league with their traditional rivals in the Big East. Their football program is just so awful that I don’t understand the desire to add them. I could be wrong, but I think the Big 12 was just floating UConn's name out there in order to put some pressure on the PAC schools. They only thing that UConn really brings is being located in the East and apparently bringing some of the New York TV market; I doubt that makes a difference with increased viewing of football games in the Fall. If PAC had come up with an acceptable TV deal for its member schools, then perhaps UConn and Gonzaga could have been offered membership for basketball. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 29, 2023 20:28:08 GMT -5
The UConn thing confuses me. They stink at football. And they stunk at basketball when they weren’t in a league with their traditional rivals in the Big East. Their football program is just so awful that I don’t understand the desire to add them. Football, sure. Though they weren't altogether awful in the Big East (60-51 overall record, five winning seasons in nine years, no seasons with fewer than four wins). Given their decent amount of football success in a then-power league, I think it's reasonable to think that they could be decent again with more resources. As for basketball, I think ascribing their success solely to the Big East is not accurate. They've only had three losing seasons since 1986-87 (Jim Calhoun's first season). Those were the last two Kevin Ollie years and the first Dan Hurley year when he was cleaning up Ollie's mess. So yes, being in the AAC with Kevin Ollie wasn't great. But does anyone think that Hurley (or Calhoun) couldn't have been successful in the ACC, Big Ten or Big 12? I mean, they literally won the national title this season on the strength of a historically dominant tournament run. They would do fine in the Big 12 in basketball. As for why UConn is being mentioned, I really don't think it's that hard to figure out. They're technically a former P6 school due to their time in the Big East. There are a lot of people in the Northeast, UConn is the best basketball program in that region, and there is no real football power--Penn State is the closest. They also have five national championships in men's basketball since 1999, including their fifth in 2023, which makes them the most successful program of the last quarter century. Finally, UConn is in ESPN's backyard, and ESPN seems to like them. Fox is also expanding its coverage of Big 12 basketball. I don't believe that UConn is the Big 12's first choice, as I believe that's Arizona. But I do think they are a reasonable fallback option if no one else from the Pac-12 leaves. It's been reported that ESPN and Fox will agree to give UConn a full share if it comes to that, and I think they're the best current non-P5. Edit: I somehow missed that UConn actually went to a bowl game last season in year 1 under Jim Mora. |
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Post by notwvb on Jul 30, 2023 8:15:14 GMT -5
In my la-la land, Stanford and ND to the Big Ten, Nebraska gets shipped back to the Big 12, and the B1G trades Maryland to the ACC for UNC and GT. Yeah, dream on ... I'm not convinced that UNC or GT would find great success in the B1G. Not in FB but the Tar Heels and Yellow Jackets would join IL to kick ass and take names in golf  |
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Post by lionsfan on Jul 30, 2023 11:24:31 GMT -5
I'm not convinced that UNC or GT would find great success in the B1G. Not in FB but the Tar Heels and Yellow Jackets would join IL to kick ass and take names in golf Yeah, UNC basketball, UNC soccer, UNC field hockey and UNC lacrosse are a laughing stock! |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Jul 30, 2023 11:27:52 GMT -5
Not in FB but the Tar Heels and Yellow Jackets would join IL to kick ass and take names in golf Yeah, UNC basketball, UNC soccer, UNC field hockey and UNC lacrosse are a laughing stock! Pretty sure you could win 17 straight B1G championships in soccer, field hockey, or lacrosse and no one outside of your school would notice. |
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