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Post by n00b on Apr 2, 2024 10:09:52 GMT -5
I would like to see the old Big East pull Pitt, Syracuse, & BC back in. I'd be ok with Va Tech and Miami going back. They already have UConn & Villanova playing football. So would that be enough teams to give them an auto bid into the CFP Playoffs? Or would they need to grab a UMass, Temple or Delaware type team to make it work? To the contrary, I wonder if when FSU and Clemson are out of the way (ie. no longer there to block the move solely on football grounds) the ACC would consider adding UConn? Would be a dream come true for them and a long sought after vindication of their decision to upgrade football to FBS and then no fold the team after mounting losses and criticism. I’d be shocked. UConn basketball would obviously add value. But I can’t imagine that would be enough to add yet another unwatchable football program to the conference and split the football money with an additional school. James Madison might have a better shot at the ACC.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 2, 2024 13:05:58 GMT -5
I would like to see the old Big East pull Pitt, Syracuse, & BC back in. I'd be ok with Va Tech and Miami going back. They already have UConn & Villanova playing football. So would that be enough teams to give them an auto bid into the CFP Playoffs? Or would they need to grab a UMass, Temple or Delaware type team to make it work? To the contrary, I wonder if when FSU and Clemson are out of the way (ie. no longer there to block the move solely on football grounds) the ACC would consider adding UConn? Would be a dream come true for them and a long sought after vindication of their decision to upgrade football to FBS and then no fold the team after mounting losses and criticism. If I'm UConn, I'm not in a hurry to join a conference that may collapse at any time. The Big East is stable for their non-football sports, and they have a lot of their historic rivalries there. I think they should seriously consider dropping down to FCS and just focus on basketball. And if the ACC no longer has Florida State, Clemson, and who knows who else, they would obviously be way less valuable and therefore way less attractive to UConn.
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Post by mplsgopher on Apr 3, 2024 8:48:33 GMT -5
I don’t see why UConn would turn down or show no interest in ACC without FSU and Clemson. If anything, that should be more enticing as they won’t have to get hammered in football by those two and they have no history with them otherwise. They have lots of history with former Big East schools.
I suppose West Virginia and Cincinnati would be considered as well.
As far as why would the ACC want to add a low level school in football, I don’t see it any differently than the Big 12 “replacing” Texas and Oklahoma with Central Florida, Houston, BYU, and Cincinnati. For that matter, ACC has already agreed to add Cal, Stanford, and SMU.
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Post by n00b on Apr 3, 2024 9:50:00 GMT -5
I don’t see why UConn would turn down or show no interest in ACC without FSU and Clemson. If anything, that should be more enticing as they won’t have to get hammered in football by those two and they have no history with them otherwise. They have lots of history with former Big East schools. I suppose West Virginia and Cincinnati would be considered as well. As far as why would the ACC want to add a low level school in football, I don’t see it any differently than the Big 12 “replacing” Texas and Oklahoma with Central Florida, Houston, BYU, and Cincinnati. For that matter, ACC has already agreed to add Cal, Stanford, and SMU. What? UConn football hasn't had a winning record since 2010 and is a combined 66 games under .500 in that time. Meanwhile, UCF, Cincinnati, BYU and Houston have combined for 44 bowl game appearances in that time. UCF had two undefeated seasons. Cincinnati made the College Football Playoff. It isn't uncommon for BYU to be in the Top 25 and they have an elite stadium and gameday atmosphere (along with a national following). And Houston was in the AAC Championship 3 times in the last decade. UConn football is WAY WAY worse than any of the programs you mentioned.
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Post by mplsgopher on Apr 3, 2024 11:04:36 GMT -5
The ACC plays more sports than football. For example, basketball.
I have never known any conference realignments that were primarily driven by increases in TV contract dollar amounts, which are largely for football broadcasts, to have much of anything to do with “success” on the field, let alone the mere “relative success” that UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati have had playing mostly G5 schedules. Does any national casual fan tune in a Houston vs UCF game now any more than before? I know I never would.
An example of what I’m talking about is the Big Ten adding Rutgers. I don’t see any reasonable argument that the ACC adding UConn is significantly “worse” than that.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 3, 2024 13:27:58 GMT -5
The ACC plays more sports than football. For example, basketball. I have never known any conference realignments that were primarily driven by increases in TV contract dollar amounts, which are largely for football broadcasts, to have much of anything to do with “success” on the field, let alone the mere “relative success” that UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati have had playing mostly G5 schedules. Does any national casual fan tune in a Houston vs UCF game now any more than before? I know I never would. An example of what I’m talking about is the Big Ten adding Rutgers. I don’t see any reasonable argument that the ACC adding UConn is significantly “worse” than that. UCF, Houston and Cincinnati football bring in more $'s to their conference than UConn. People that live in the states of Texas, Florida, and Ohio - LOVE college football. People who live in the New England area... They aren't comparable in terms of $'s each member of the conference brings in from TV revenue. If the Big Ten believes that bringing in Rutgers was a mistake - that actually strengthens the argument for the ACC to not be interested in UConn. Population and TV market size doesn't make up for the lack of general college football interest - or specific program college football interest that exists in the Northeast.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 3, 2024 15:14:56 GMT -5
The ACC plays more sports than football. For example, basketball. I have never known any conference realignments that were primarily driven by increases in TV contract dollar amounts, which are largely for football broadcasts, to have much of anything to do with “success” on the field, let alone the mere “relative success” that UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati have had playing mostly G5 schedules. Does any national casual fan tune in a Houston vs UCF game now any more than before? I know I never would. An example of what I’m talking about is the Big Ten adding Rutgers. I don’t see any reasonable argument that the ACC adding UConn is significantly “worse” than that. UCF, Houston and Cincinnati football bring in more $'s to their conference than UConn. People that live in the states of Texas, Florida, and Ohio - LOVE college football. People who live in the New England area... They aren't comparable in terms of $'s each member of the conference brings in from TV revenue. If the Big Ten believes that bringing in Rutgers was a mistake - that actually strengthens the argument for the ACC to not be interested in UConn. Population and TV market size doesn't make up for the lack of general college football interest - or specific program college football interest that exists in the Northeast. Hmm, UCF is in fourth place in its own state. Houston is probably like sixth just among Texas schools in its state. I guess Cincinnati might be second among Ohio schools there, but they're way behind Ohio State. I actually think UConn would have been a pretty solid add with their five men's basketball titles in the last 25 years. And with the women's game becoming more popular, they're the most successful school on that side as well with 11 titles. UConn was competitive in the old Big East in football, and their basketball programs surpass every single school in the Big 12 except maybe Kansas on the men's side.
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Post by vballfreak808 on May 10, 2024 10:42:16 GMT -5
Missouri State moving from the Missouri Valley to Conference USA starting in fall 2025
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Post by vballfreak808 on May 10, 2024 12:11:05 GMT -5
Grand Canyon and Seattle moving from the WAC to the WCC in the fall of 2025
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Post by huskervolleyfan14 on May 10, 2024 12:19:44 GMT -5
Grand Canyon and Seattle moving from the WAC to the WCC in the fall of 2025 aren’t Washington State and Oregon State in the WCC too? Their logos aren’t in that picture
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Post by JJVb on May 10, 2024 12:22:41 GMT -5
Grand Canyon and Seattle moving from the WAC to the WCC in the fall of 2025 aren’t Washington State and Oregon State in the WCC too? Their logos aren’t in that picture True, interesting. Well maybe because OSU and WSU are just temporary members.
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Post by bbg95 on May 10, 2024 13:43:59 GMT -5
Curious move by the WCC. I'm surprised by the addition of either Seattle or Grand Canyon, much less both. I would have favored Cal Baptist and/or Denver instead. The WCC also will be at 11 schools, which is an interesting number. It almost makes me think this was done in case Gonzaga leaves at some point. The specter of their departure will always be there. They would have been in the Big East ten years ago if the travel wasn't such an issue.
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Post by marnvbc2 on May 10, 2024 13:54:57 GMT -5
Curious move by the WCC. I'm surprised by the edition of either Seattle or Grand Canyon, much less both. I would have favored Cal Baptist and/or Denver instead. The WCC also will be at 11 schools, which is an interesting number. It almost makes me think this was done in case Gonzaga leaves at some point. I hate to agree with bbg but I think that is a valid point. I still think GU will bolt for the Big 12. Unfortunately they are terrible in vb!!! I really mean terrible!
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Post by trojansc on May 10, 2024 14:11:11 GMT -5
Curious move by the WCC. I'm surprised by the addition of either Seattle or Grand Canyon, much less both. I would have favored Cal Baptist and/or Denver instead. The WCC also will be at 11 schools, which is an interesting number. It almost makes me think this was done in case Gonzaga leaves at some point. The specter of their departure will always be there. They would have been in the Big East ten years ago if the travel wasn't such an issue. I see GCU as sort of up and coming - but, I don't really see the upside with Seattle U. At least... WCC Softball lives on! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by bbg95 on May 10, 2024 14:15:15 GMT -5
Curious move by the WCC. I'm surprised by the addition of either Seattle or Grand Canyon, much less both. I would have favored Cal Baptist and/or Denver instead. The WCC also will be at 11 schools, which is an interesting number. It almost makes me think this was done in case Gonzaga leaves at some point. The specter of their departure will always be there. They would have been in the Big East ten years ago if the travel wasn't such an issue. I see GCU as sort of up and coming - but, I don't really see the upside with Seattle U. At least... WCC Softball lives on! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) The issue with Grand Canyon is that it's a for-profit school, so I didn't think the other presidents would sign off. But yes, purely from an athletics standpoint, it's not a bad addition. Seattle doesn't make any sense unless Gonzaga leaves, but that might be what they're thinking.
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