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Post by NYCHusker on Jul 16, 2024 13:42:06 GMT -5
I knew FSU was not appealing to the SEC; the B1G not interested is a bit of a surprise, but there's not a school out there (other than Notre Dame) who would increase the annual revenue payout per 18 current member schools. It's really wild that FSU is less than a decade removed from a football national championship and just had a nearly perfect season last year, but is still so looked down on. I really would have thought the B1G would be more interested in jumping into the Florida market. But I could see why conferences might see how they're handling the ACC situation and think that it's not worth the trouble.
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Post by n00b on Jul 16, 2024 13:56:13 GMT -5
I knew FSU was not appealing to the SEC; the B1G not interested is a bit of a surprise, but there's not a school out there (other than Notre Dame) who would increase the annual revenue payout per 18 current member schools. The wording is oddly specific though. “If FSU leaves the ACC and the ACC survives” I still think this is a Grant of Rights issue. The SEC and Big Ten want GORs to remain binding and don’t want to play a role in blowing them up so they want FSU to settle down. Why else would that be specified?
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 16, 2024 14:02:01 GMT -5
I knew FSU was not appealing to the SEC; the B1G not interested is a bit of a surprise, but there's not a school out there (other than Notre Dame) who would increase the annual revenue payout per 18 current member schools. Yeah, we'll see what happens when the time actually comes. I mean, they want to have Oregon and Washington, but not Florida State? Lol.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 16, 2024 14:16:53 GMT -5
ESPN (with its huge stake in the SEC and ACC) is not going to help FSU and Clemson join the SEC as ESPN's long-term TV contract with the ACC is so one-sided in favor of ESPN. Why would ESPN want to pay FSU more in the SEC than they are earning in the ACC now and for the next 15 years or so? ESPN wants FSU to stay put in the ACC and I'm sure they are not happy with FSU trying to get out their TV contract.
I believe ESPN "helped" Texas and Oklahoma move from the Big 12 to the SEC. ESPN got out its non-profitable deal with Texas by shutting down the Longhorn Network, so that's a financial win for them to the tune of $15 million annually. I think I read that ESPN is even supplementing Texas to make up the deficit in the first year or two of being a new member in the SEC; doubt they'd do that for FSU or Clemson.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 16, 2024 14:22:14 GMT -5
I agree that ESPN wants the ACC to stay intact, but that's a separate question as to whether FSU is an attractive football addition. Meanwhile, North Carolina, which is allegedly so attractive for reasons that don't really make sense, is also locked into that same grant of rights through 2036. I guess maybe ESPN is getting its SEC allies to say that so that Florida State, Clemson and Miami think that they have no choice but to stay in the ACC. Granted, I don't think they have much of a choice anyway--they signed the contract, after all. But you never can be totally certain about how litigation might play out.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 16, 2024 14:23:58 GMT -5
I will say that if the SEC and Big Ten inexplicably pass on Florida State, Clemson and Miami, that would be the best thing that could possibly happen to the Big 12. Those three schools would effectively replace the loss of Texas and Oklahoma. None are traditional blue bloods, but they have been significantly more successful in winning national titles over the last four decades. They have a combined 11 titles since 1981. Texas and Oklahoma have a combined three.
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Post by slxpress on Jul 16, 2024 16:39:55 GMT -5
“We don’t want to blow up the PAC 12. We’ll create an alignment with them with a gentlemen’s agreement not to poach each other’s schools.”
“Yes. A&M. We agree you will be the only Texas school in the SEC. Why no, we’re not in secret talk with OU and UT to bring them in the conference without including you until the agreement is finalized. Why would you think we’d do that to you?”
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Post by PostPrime on Jul 16, 2024 16:46:46 GMT -5
“We don’t want to blow up the PAC 12. We’ll create an alignment with them with a gentlemen’s agreement not to poach each other’s schools.” “Yes. A&M. We agree you will be the only Texas school in the SEC. Why no, we’re not in secret talk with OU and UT to bring them in the conference without including you until the agreement is finalized. Why would you think we’d do that to you?” With this much money in play, trust no one!
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 16, 2024 17:05:36 GMT -5
I knew FSU was not appealing to the SEC; the B1G not interested is a bit of a surprise, but there's not a school out there (other than Notre Dame) who would increase the annual revenue payout per 18 current member schools. The wording is oddly specific though. “If FSU leaves the ACC and the ACC survives” I still think this is a Grant of Rights issue. The SEC and Big Ten want GORs to remain binding and don’t want to play a role in blowing them up so they want FSU to settle down. Why else would that be specified? The Big Ten and SEC don't need FSU/Clemson right now. They're happy with their position in the current environment. If those two schools become free agents, I have to assume at least one would hop on them to protect the duopoly and avoid a Big 12 resurgence. (For the BIG, this would also have the bonus of forcing Notre Dame's hand).
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Post by horns1 on Jul 16, 2024 17:08:44 GMT -5
North Carolina is so much less valuable. Classic Big Ten move if they did it. Anyway, they have to figure a way out of the ACC grant of rights first. Not sure where you get that. Back in March, I watched a segment of the Paul Finebaum show where he was talking to Seth Emerson from The Athletic. Seth feels that Clemson and FSU would be a package deal, but not sure what they would bring to the SEC. Paul asked him who he believed would be the SEC's next expansion target, and he instantly stated North Carolina. Says the SEC wants in the mega populous states of North Carolina and Virginia. Said the SEC wants North Carolina so bad that they would probably let UNC select their own expansion partner, whether that be Virginia or Duke. Yesterday during the SECN broadcast of SEC football media days in Dallas, there was another guest being interviewed who re-iterated that North Carolina is the prize (from the ACC). He had an additional take that if the SEC could get UNC plus Duke or Kansas, that would hugely increase the conference's basketball profile nationally. Kansas would also add a natural rival for Mizzou. I have to say that a conference with Kansas, Kentucky, Duke and/or Kansas is men's hoops royalty.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 16, 2024 19:33:54 GMT -5
Not sure where you get that. Back in March, I watched a segment of the Paul Finebaum show where he was talking to Seth Emerson from The Athletic. Seth feels that Clemson and FSU would be a package deal, but not sure what they would bring to the SEC. Paul asked him who he believed would be the SEC's next expansion target, and he instantly stated North Carolina. Says the SEC wants in the mega populous states of North Carolina and Virginia. Said the SEC wants North Carolina so bad that they would probably let UNC select their own expansion partner, whether that be Virginia or Duke. Yesterday during the SECN broadcast of SEC football media days in Dallas, there was another guest being interviewed who re-iterated that North Carolina is the prize (from the ACC). He had an additional take that if the SEC could get UNC plus Duke or Kansas, that would hugely increase the conference's basketball profile nationally. Kansas would also add a natural rival for Mizzou. I have to say that a conference with Kansas, Kentucky, Duke and/or Kansas is men's hoops royalty. Look, I know what the media is saying. I just don't believe that North Carolina is that valuable. We will see what happens when the time comes. If it turns out that North Carolina is offered an invite and Florida State, Clemson and Miami are all not offered one, then I will concede the point.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 16, 2024 22:35:15 GMT -5
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Post by n00b on Aug 23, 2024 20:06:32 GMT -5
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 24, 2024 6:58:53 GMT -5
It would be nice for the B12 to get to 16 VB teams, but this wouldn't be my choice for the team to add. But then this has nothing to do with VB. I can see UConn jumping at this - it gets them over a fence in time - before the ACC implodes (assuming it can last until the GOR agreement expires). While the B12 gets the benefit of UConn's basketball programs years earlier. I wonder if this would/could get Gonzaga to move? Still - sounds like there is a lot of resistance from enough B12 schools to block this. As it would potentially dilute money down the road and a lot of skepticism that UConn can ever be relevant in football. OTH, if I was a B12 school President and Yorkman said jump - I would strongly be considering jumping.
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Post by mplsgopher on Aug 24, 2024 9:25:21 GMT -5
Gonzaga is not coming to the Big 12. It was tried and they decided it wasn't the right move for them. (VERY smart move in my opinion. The entire reason they are what they are is because of the large amount of easy wins they get to pick up in the WCC, year after year. They wouldn't even have that in the Mountain West, let alone the new Big 12.)
So who would be #18? Would it have to be a football school? South Florida? I know Central would puke at the thought.
Who would be the best add from the American? That's just IF it has to be a football school.
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