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Post by bborr on Jul 11, 2024 22:56:54 GMT -5
Lots of articles today on Clemson and FSU to the Big 12 with promises of money from the leagues’ private equity deals.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 12, 2024 9:10:36 GMT -5
Lots of articles today on Clemson and FSU to the Big 12 with promises of money from the leagues’ private equity deals. Trying to catch up on this - a thumbnail of what is being reported or possibly going on. For the B12 option to happen - many dominos would have to fall. 1) B1G and SEC do not have interest in expanding with FSU and Clemson - which has been reported as likely. 2) ACC plans to contract or do unequal revenue doesn't happen - FSU is looking for some way to close the financial gap with the B1G/SEC. Fixing the ACC would be better than the B12, but doing what they will require/want isn't going to be easy. 3) FSU and Clemson can get out of their GOR with the ACC. Currently both have filed lawsuits. 4) Existing B12 schools would have to have unequal revenue sharing - giving larger shares to FSU and Clemson.
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 12, 2024 9:12:53 GMT -5
Lots of articles today on Clemson and FSU to the Big 12 with promises of money from the leagues’ private equity deals. There was a report that things have gone quiet with the Big 10 and SEC. Then Yormark said they are still open for business. This has been combined into FSU and Clemson are going to the Big 12! But honestly, who in the Big 12 wants to play football with FSU or Clemson? If you could twist enough arms for that, then you need to convince schools to give them an unequal share, and I cannot imagine that happens. Not this far away from tv negotiations.
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Post by n00b on Jul 12, 2024 9:21:05 GMT -5
Is this being reported by anybody legitimate? It doesn’t make sense to me. If the GOR stays in effect, it seems financially ridiculous. If the courts nullify the GOR, they’ll go to the SEC.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 12, 2024 9:24:51 GMT -5
Is this being reported by anybody legitimate? It doesn’t make sense to me. If the GOR stays in effect, it seems financially ridiculous. If the courts nullify the GOR, they’ll go to the SEC. Well, the theory is that neither the SEC or the Big Ten would want these schools. I don't actually believe that, but that's the theory.
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Post by bborr on Jul 12, 2024 9:30:02 GMT -5
Is this being reported by anybody legitimate? It doesn’t make sense to me. If the GOR stays in effect, it seems financially ridiculous. If the courts nullify the GOR, they’ll go to the SEC. I don’t think the sourcing is good — the most I have seen is that the schools have had preliminary talks with the Big 12. Sounds like maybe negotiating tactics to get something better from the ACC if the B1G and SEC aren’t interested.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 12, 2024 9:30:05 GMT -5
Lots of articles today on Clemson and FSU to the Big 12 with promises of money from the leagues’ private equity deals. There was a report that things have gone quiet with the Big 10 and SEC. Then Yormark said they are still open for business. This has been combined into FSU and Clemson are going to the Big 12! But honestly, who in the Big 12 wants to play football with FSU or Clemson? If you could twist enough arms for that, then you need to convince schools to give them an unequal share, and I cannot imagine that happens. Not this far away from tv negotiations. Every single school in the conference (okay, maybe not UCF) would want have to have Florida State, Clemson and Miami in the Big 12. They would add a lot of credibility in football that the new Big 12 currently lacks. I don't know about an unequal share, but in a vacuum, those would be great additions. They have 11 national titles and a million top 10 finishes in the last 40 or so years among them. The new Big 12 only has three poll era national titles among them (TCU 1938, BYU 1984, Colorado 1990). I'm very skeptical that this will come to pass, but there is plenty of reason for the Big 12 to want these schools.
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Post by Not Me on Jul 12, 2024 21:05:33 GMT -5
There was a report that things have gone quiet with the Big 10 and SEC. Then Yormark said they are still open for business. This has been combined into FSU and Clemson are going to the Big 12! But honestly, who in the Big 12 wants to play football with FSU or Clemson? If you could twist enough arms for that, then you need to convince schools to give them an unequal share, and I cannot imagine that happens. Not this far away from tv negotiations. Every single school in the conference (okay, maybe not UCF) would want have to have Florida State, Clemson and Miami in the Big 12. They would add a lot of credibility in football that the new Big 12 currently lacks. I don't know about an unequal share, but in a vacuum, those would be great additions. They have 11 national titles and a million top 10 finishes in the last 40 or so years among them. The new Big 12 only has three poll era national titles among them (TCU 1938, BYU 1984, Colorado 1990). I'm very skeptical that this will come to pass, but there is plenty of reason for the Big 12 to want these schools. But is their more money in the Big 12 (alllstate 12) vs the ACC? They aren’t going to get into SEC/big10 money. So they are just moving to move. The SEC/big10 want this to happen so that puts North Carolina out there on the market. That’s the school they want.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 12, 2024 21:11:47 GMT -5
Every single school in the conference (okay, maybe not UCF) would want have to have Florida State, Clemson and Miami in the Big 12. They would add a lot of credibility in football that the new Big 12 currently lacks. I don't know about an unequal share, but in a vacuum, those would be great additions. They have 11 national titles and a million top 10 finishes in the last 40 or so years among them. The new Big 12 only has three poll era national titles among them (TCU 1938, BYU 1984, Colorado 1990). I'm very skeptical that this will come to pass, but there is plenty of reason for the Big 12 to want these schools. But is their more money in the Big 12 (alllstate 12) vs the ACC? They aren’t going to get into SEC/big10 money. So they are just moving to move. The SEC/big10 want this to happen so that puts North Carolina out there on the market. That’s the school they want. North Carolina is so much less valuable. Classic Big Ten move if they did it. Anyway, they have to figure a way out of the ACC grant of rights first.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 12, 2024 22:13:45 GMT -5
But is their more money in the Big 12 (alllstate 12) vs the ACC? They aren’t going to get into SEC/big10 money. So they are just moving to move. The SEC/big10 want this to happen so that puts North Carolina out there on the market. That’s the school they want. North Carolina is so much less valuable. Classic Big Ten move if they did it. Anyway, they have to figure a way out of the ACC grant of rights first. Not sure where you get that. Back in March, I watched a segment of the Paul Finebaum show where he was talking to Seth Emerson from The Athletic. Seth feels that Clemson and FSU would be a package deal, but not sure what they would bring to the SEC. Paul asked him who he believed would be the SEC's next expansion target, and he instantly stated North Carolina. Says the SEC wants in the mega populous states of North Carolina and Virginia. Said the SEC wants North Carolina so bad that they would probably let UNC select their own expansion partner, whether that be Virginia or Duke.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 12, 2024 22:14:48 GMT -5
Every single school in the conference (okay, maybe not UCF) would want have to have Florida State, Clemson and Miami in the Big 12. They would add a lot of credibility in football that the new Big 12 currently lacks. I don't know about an unequal share, but in a vacuum, those would be great additions. They have 11 national titles and a million top 10 finishes in the last 40 or so years among them. The new Big 12 only has three poll era national titles among them (TCU 1938, BYU 1984, Colorado 1990). I'm very skeptical that this will come to pass, but there is plenty of reason for the Big 12 to want these schools. But is their more money in the Big 12 (alllstate 12) vs the ACC? They aren’t going to get into SEC/big10 money. So they are just moving to move. The SEC/big10 want this to happen so that puts North Carolina out there on the market. That’s the school they want.Absolutely!
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Post by hanmertime on Jul 12, 2024 22:35:58 GMT -5
And if UNC takes the bigger $ and goes to the SEC, the ACC starts to do the PAC 12 death march. Then it’s P3.
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Post by Not Me on Jul 12, 2024 22:51:26 GMT -5
North Carolina is so much less valuable. Classic Big Ten move if they did it. Anyway, they have to figure a way out of the ACC grant of rights first. Not sure where you get that. Back in March, I watched a segment of the Paul Finebaum show where he was talking to Seth Emerson from The Athletic. Seth feels that Clemson and FSU would be a package deal, but not sure what they would bring to the SEC. Paul asked him who he believed would be the SEC's next expansion target, and he instantly stated North Carolina. Says the SEC wants in the mega populous states of North Carolina and Virginia. Said the SEC wants North Carolina so bad that they would probably let UNC select their own expansion partner, whether that be Virginia or Duke. Any increase in $ would be either an increase in tv money, or less money to the other schools in the conference. Not sure Fox/espn is going to put a ton of money in the Allstate 12 conference for those teams. Actually pretty sure they aren’t going to add enough to get them to another tier. Plus if they change conferences, they have to fight harder to get in the football playoffs. Right now, they are almost assured of a top 4 spot and a bye.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 12, 2024 23:09:21 GMT -5
North Carolina is so much less valuable. Classic Big Ten move if they did it. Anyway, they have to figure a way out of the ACC grant of rights first. Not sure where you get that. Back in March, I watched a segment of the Paul Finebaum show where he was talking to Seth Emerson from The Athletic. Seth feels that Clemson and FSU would be a package deal, but not sure what they would bring to the SEC. Paul asked him who he believed would be the SEC's next expansion target, and he instantly stated North Carolina. Says the SEC wants in the mega populous states of North Carolina and Virginia. Said the SEC wants North Carolina so bad that they would probably let UNC select their own expansion partner, whether that be Virginia or Duke. North Carolina is a basketball school. Ask Kansas and UConn how valuable that is. I know what the media keeps saying. It just doesn't make sense. North Carolina has never been especially relevant in football. So unless basketball is suddenly a lot more valuable, I don't see it. The argument for media markets made sense in the last round of realignment, which is how Rutgers and Maryland got in. But football brands are the most important factor now. So North Carolina's biggest strengths are things that didn't matter in the most recent round of realignment. Choosing to let Florida State, Miami and Clemson go elsewhere so that you can have North Carolina (or worse, UNC and Duke or Virginia) would be extremely stupid and would be good fortune for someone else. If you're the SEC, do you really want to let the Big Ten potentially set up shop in Florida with schools that are more successful historically than Florida is? Anyway, I think this discussion is probably moot for a while, as I don't see anyone getting out of the ACC significantly before 2036.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 16, 2024 12:46:44 GMT -5
I knew FSU was not appealing to the SEC; the B1G not interested is a bit of a surprise, but there's not a school out there (other than Notre Dame) who would increase the annual revenue payout per 18 current member schools.
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