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Post by vbcoach06 on Apr 27, 2022 11:59:09 GMT -5
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 27, 2022 14:38:21 GMT -5
No real surprise here. Technically, these schools have to negotiate an early exit from the AAC, but AAC commissioner Mike Aresco has indicated that he's open to that. What will almost certainly happen is that they'll pay more than they would ($10 million) if they waited another year.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 27, 2022 14:46:50 GMT -5
No real surprise here. Technically, these schools have to negotiate an early exit from the AAC, but AAC commissioner Mike Aresco has indicated that he's open to that. What will almost certainly happen is that they'll pay more than they would ($10 million) if they waited another year. When is the AAC planning to add its new teams? I thought they had already announced them as joining in 23. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 27, 2022 14:52:25 GMT -5
Probably in response to Lamar announcing exit and rejoining Southland I don't think there's any question that's what this is about. Hence the Friday afternoon news dump. Really don't understand why Lamar left the Southland in the first place. Southland makes a lot more sense for travel and recruiting. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 14:57:07 GMT -5
I don't think there's any question that's what this is about. Hence the Friday afternoon news dump. Really don't understand why Lamar left the Southland in the first place. Southland makes a lot more sense for travel and recruiting. I think the idea was that, maybe, the (new) WAC was going to explore moving up to FBS in football in a few years. Which would (maybe) have allowed New Mexico St to join the league.
It's tough for me to see that for programs like Southern Utah and Utah Tech (formerly Dixie St). But for Texas schools, who knows. They love some football down there (as you well know). UT RGV is starting a program, I believe in 23.
Now however, NM St and Sam Houston will be joining (the new) C-USA in 23.
Sam makes sense as a (low level) FBS school. Not sure about SF Austin, Incarnate Word, and the others. But I think that's what Lamar was thinking. Worst case, they can always schlep back to the Southland. They ain't gonna turn any WAC Texas down, is my guess, should it crumble.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 27, 2022 15:38:48 GMT -5
Really don't understand why Lamar left the Southland in the first place. Southland makes a lot more sense for travel and recruiting. I think the idea was that, maybe, the (new) WAC was going to explore moving up to FBS in football in a few years. Which would (maybe) have allowed New Mexico St to join the league.
It's tough for me to see that for programs like Southern Utah and Utah Tech (formerly Dixie St). But for Texas schools, who knows. They love some football down there (as you well know). UT RGV is starting a program, I believe in 23.
Now however, NM St and Sam Houston will be joining (the new) C-USA in 23.
Sam makes sense as a (low level) FBS school. Not sure about SF Austin, Incarnate Word, and the others. But I think that's what Lamar was thinking. Worst case, they can always schlep back to the Southland. They ain't gonna turn any WAC Texas down, is my guess, should it crumble.
The way I understood the announcements, Lamar is going back to the Southland which I believe is a smart choice. Even though we love some football, many of these Texas schools considering FBS football is foolish in my opinion. Tarleton State is one of the newest members of the WAC and is located in Stephenville less than an hour from where I grew up. Even had two great-nephews who played football for Tarleton. Unless things have changed in the last 10-15 years, the high school team consistently have larger crowds than Tarleton for their football games. The same for several more of those schools. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 16:11:06 GMT -5
I think the idea was that, maybe, the (new) WAC was going to explore moving up to FBS in football in a few years. Which would (maybe) have allowed New Mexico St to join the league.
It's tough for me to see that for programs like Southern Utah and Utah Tech (formerly Dixie St). But for Texas schools, who knows. They love some football down there (as you well know). UT RGV is starting a program, I believe in 23.
Now however, NM St and Sam Houston will be joining (the new) C-USA in 23.
Sam makes sense as a (low level) FBS school. Not sure about SF Austin, Incarnate Word, and the others. But I think that's what Lamar was thinking. Worst case, they can always schlep back to the Southland. They ain't gonna turn any WAC Texas down, is my guess, should it crumble.
The way I understood the announcements, Lamar is going back to the Southland which I believe is a smart choice. Even though we love some football, many of these Texas schools considering FBS football is foolish in my opinion. Tarleton State is one of the newest members of the WAC and is located in Stephenville less than an hour from where I grew up. Even had two great-nephews who played football for Tarleton. Unless things have changed in the last 10-15 years, the high school team consistently have larger crowds than Tarleton for their football games. The same for several more of those schools. Oop, indeed Lamar returning to Southland in 23.
I know McNeese entertained an offer to join the WAC, I suppose as Sam's replacement, but then turned it down to remain in the Southland. Perhaps that was what lead Lamar to decide to head back.
I agree with you that FCS is the right place for most of the WAC and Southland programs. I suppose if it had worked out that Lamar and McNeese had received offers to join CUSA (thus upgrading football to FBS), perhaps they would have entertained that. SFA perhaps could do the same, to pair with Sam, in the future.
I suppose some thinking on this could be along the lines of: if you build it (FBS), they will start caring about you. Whereas, with FCS or lower, they largely don't care. All it takes is some magic, even at the bottom level league in the FBS (Sun Belt) and suddenly you can get some major national attention on your program. IE, Coastal Carolina and U of Louisiana.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 27, 2022 16:47:12 GMT -5
No real surprise here. Technically, these schools have to negotiate an early exit from the AAC, but AAC commissioner Mike Aresco has indicated that he's open to that. What will almost certainly happen is that they'll pay more than they would ($10 million) if they waited another year. When is the AAC planning to add its new teams? I thought they had already announced them as joining in 23. Yeah, I believe that's right, though I guess the date isn't official yet. It's probably contingent on the exit negotiations with Cincinnati, Houston and UCF. As soon as that's worked out (likely with them all getting out in time to join the Big 12 in 2023), the AAC will announce the official date for the new schools. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 27, 2022 16:53:21 GMT -5
If this is accurate, we'll know more in the next week or so.
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Post by jackson5vb on Apr 27, 2022 21:28:47 GMT -5
Is anyone moving conferences for the coming Fall '22?
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Post by tommyboy on Apr 27, 2022 21:35:17 GMT -5
Where is Chicago State going to end up?
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 27, 2022 22:53:30 GMT -5
Where is Chicago State going to end up? I don't think they've figured that out yet. |
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 27, 2022 23:08:11 GMT -5
Is anyone moving conferences for the coming Fall '22? Austin Peay is joining the ASUN. Chicago State is definitely leaving the WAC, though they don't have a new conference yet. Not sure on anyone else. Oh, Marshall, Southern Miss and Old Dominion are joining the Sunbelt. That was being litigated, but apparently, it was settled about a month ago. |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Apr 27, 2022 23:14:36 GMT -5
What motivated Southern Utah to drop down from a stable Big Sky to a revolving door WAC? Just to have a conference mate nearby?
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Post by n00b on Apr 28, 2022 6:43:56 GMT -5
Is anyone moving conferences for the coming Fall '22? Austin Peay, OVC —> ASUN Belmont, OVC —> Missouri Valley Bryant, NEC —> America East Hampton, Big South —> CAA Incarnate Word, Southland —> WAC James Madison, CAA —> Sun Belt Lindenwood, D2 —> OVC UALR, Sun Belt —> OVC Loyola (Chi.), Missouri Valley —> Atlantic 10 Marshall, Conference USA —> Sun Belt Murray State, OVC —> Missouri Valley North Carolina A&T, Big South —> CAA Old Dominion, Conference USA —> Sun Belt Southern Indiana, D2 —> OVC Southern Miss, Conference USA —> Sun Belt Southern Utah, Big Sky —> WAC Stonehill, D2 —> NEC Stony Brook, America East —> CAA Texas A&M-Commerce, D2 —> Southland Illinois-Chicago, Horizon —> Missouri Valley UT Arlington, Sun Belt —> WAC |
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