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Post by bbg95 on Sept 24, 2024 21:22:31 GMT -5
Well, it doesn't blow up my hope of getting Gonzaga+Hawaii into the conference, but unless they successfully are granted a waiver for that specific scenario then they'll need at least one more and I suppose UNLV makes the most sense. Is Air Force really serious about AAC? They've rebuffed those talks in the past, I thought. Maybe it really will be Montana and Dakota adds. Air Force did, but that was before Utah State left. They may be reconsidering their options, especially if UNLV also leaves. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 24, 2024 21:22:52 GMT -5
You continue to live in your own reality. Oregon does not deserve to be AAU, and I surmise has only been able to stay in due to bribes by daddy Phil. They have trash research
Your own reality where Phil Knight is issuing large bribes to *checks notes* the Association of American Universities. …. Okay…. |
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 24, 2024 21:27:27 GMT -5
 😂 🤭 This is a research university worthy of the Big Ten??? Barf |
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 24, 2024 21:27:51 GMT -5
Respectfully, you don't know what you're talking about. It says all sports, and that includes football for CFP purposes. CFP has absolutely nothing to do with it.
This is entirely NCAA bylaws.
CFP is not NCAA. |
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 24, 2024 21:30:46 GMT -5
CFP has absolutely nothing to do with it.
This is entirely NCAA bylaws.
CFP is not NCAA. Correct.
Indeed, I am right on that part ...
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Sept 24, 2024 22:45:40 GMT -5
So we're (hopefully) looking at this, at least to 8's, right? bbg95 New PAC: WA St, OR St, Gonzaga+Hawaii football, Boise St, Fresno St, San Diego St, Utah St, Colo State New MWC: San Jose St, Nevada, UNLV, New Mexico, New Mexico St, UTEP, Air Force, Wyoming So I don't think the Hawaii/Gonzaga combo actually counts. You need eight full members. So the Pac-12 has to convince UNLV or another desperate school like Utah State. I suppose the Pac-12 could also add a school from another conference, maybe even elevate someone from FCS. But getting a sixth full member of the Mountain West to flip seems like the most likely scenario. As for the Mountain West, we'll assume that they lose UNLV to the Pac-12 and possibly Air Force to the AAC. That would put them in a tight spot, as I think they would only have four full members left. So adding NMSU and UTEP wouldn't be enough. They'd have to add a couple other schools. It seems most likely that they'd try to see if a couple of FCS schools in the general area might want to move up. I guess they could add Hawaii in all sports to increase their membership. Of if Air Force stays put, that would obviously be great too. UNLV would be a bonus. Some good FCS options out west, with Idaho and the Montanas. El Paso is technically in the MTZ too, so both conferences can stay west of the CTZ fairly easily. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 25, 2024 3:20:07 GMT -5
This is a research university worthy of the Big Ten??? Barf The Big Ten is about one and only one thing these days: football money. Oregon fits in quite nicely. |
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 25, 2024 9:20:10 GMT -5
This is a research university worthy of the Big Ten??? Barf The Big Ten is about one and only one thing these days: football money. Oregon fits in quite nicely. Eh, sort of? There's a reason they were forced to take a half share. They're not that valuable. |
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 25, 2024 19:07:35 GMT -5
The Big Ten is about one and only one thing these days: football money. Oregon fits in quite nicely. Eh, sort of? There's a reason they were forced to take a half share. They're not that valuable. Correct.
The Big Ten did not want Oregon and Washington and the BT's TV partners refused to pay pro rata for them. Hence why they didn't take them when adding USCLA.
Only after they cowardly slit the throat of the PAC and prostituted themselves out for half shares, did it even happen.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 26, 2024 0:44:08 GMT -5
UNLV and Air Force are staying, apparently (with the help of financial incentives). The Mountain West may yet survive. Granted, the Pac-12 fell apart in a similar situation when nearly all its remaining members were all willing to sign a new deal, but one school called up the Big Ten instead. So we'll see. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 26, 2024 14:02:15 GMT -5
The Big Ten is about one and only one thing these days: football money. Oregon fits in quite nicely. Eh, sort of? There's a reason they were forced to take a half share. They're not that valuable. It was purely a matter of leverage. Half-share was likely better than what the PAC had to offer, especially with the Mountain schools poised to jump. It had nothing to do with who was less or more "valuable". |
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 26, 2024 14:19:52 GMT -5
Eh, sort of? There's a reason they were forced to take a half share. They're not that valuable. It was purely a matter of leverage. Half-share was likely better than what the PAC had to offer, especially with the Mountain schools poised to jump. It had nothing to do with who was less or more "valuable". You're worth what someone is willing to pay you, not what you think you should be worth. That's how it works. |
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Post by baytree on Sept 26, 2024 14:37:59 GMT -5
Eh, sort of? There's a reason they were forced to take a half share. They're not that valuable. It was purely a matter of leverage. Half-share was likely better than what the PAC had to offer, especially with the Mountain schools poised to jump. It had nothing to do with who was less or more "valuable". Sure but your leverage is greatly influenced by your value. If a conference offered a half share to attract Notre Dame or Alabama, they'd laugh at them and walk away. They can go elsewhere and easily get more bc their football games are worth a lot to the media. |
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 26, 2024 15:01:30 GMT -5
It was purely a matter of leverage. Half-share was likely better than what the PAC had to offer, especially with the Mountain schools poised to jump. It had nothing to do with who was less or more "valuable". Sure but your leverage is greatly influenced by your value. If a conference offered a half share to attract Notre Dame or Alabama, they'd laugh at them and walk away. They can go elsewhere and easily get more bc their football games are worth a lot to the media. Right. That's why USC could bring UCLA along and both of them get a full share in the Big Ten. If the Big Ten balked at that, USC may have gone to the SEC instead (obviously, the Big Ten was their preference, but they really wanted out of the Pac-12). The Big Ten and Fox were scared of that scenario. Granted, I don't think the Big Ten really needed to have their arm twisted to add USC. They just had a ton of people watch them play Michigan, and it's only September. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 26, 2024 17:00:15 GMT -5
It was purely a matter of leverage. Half-share was likely better than what the PAC had to offer, especially with the Mountain schools poised to jump. It had nothing to do with who was less or more "valuable". You're worth what someone is willing to pay you, not what you think you should be worth. That's how it works. "Value" is a nebulous concept. UW and UO accepted a half-share (which will become a full-share later) because they didn't have a better offer, not because they didn't believe they were worth any more. Their actual worth will be determined by how much they contribute to the conference over time. Whether it is a "good deal" for anyone involved is an open question. |
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