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Post by bbg95 on Sept 29, 2024 9:27:22 GMT -5
Lol, okay. Do have any evidence? It was widely reported that they turned down the offer. I think they actually turned it down twice. |
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Post by volleyguy on Sept 29, 2024 9:28:14 GMT -5
Why? A school like Wyoming is worthless. (It also gives me great pleasure to imagine how angry their president must be at all this.  ) A school like New Mexico is barely more than worthless.
Because they're on the hook for $100-$150 million in exit fees and poaching penalties by doing it this way. And they don't even have eight members. Their mistake was not nailing down the 8th member before making the public announcements. Everyone knows that separating Reno and Nevada is a politically loaded proposition. The PAC had $250M banked from the conference dissolution. There’s no reason to believe their best or only option was a reverse merger. |
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 29, 2024 9:41:24 GMT -5
Lol, okay. Do have any evidence? It was widely reported that they turned down the offer. I think they actually turned it down twice. What were they going to say?? "We really, really wanted to join, but unfortunately it didn't work out, so we're stuck here". Come on.
Of course they, like all MWC, have to pretend that this was their first choice all along. Yep, for sure it was. That's why you waited all this time to just now start thumping your chest.
Do you really think the athletic director and president at a school like New Mexico, a public flagship university with solid research -- sub-AAU level, but solid ... like CO St, WA St, OR St, Hawaii, etc. that is very much their peer group academically -- would purposefully turn down being with their peer group in a higher visibility conference with a much better brand and likely a slightly better TV deal ..... to .... what, get a one-time lump some payment that amounts to some nice pocket change? Might pay for a couple bells and whistles but in the grand scheme of things isn't that much?
Don't be silly.
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Post by volleyguy on Sept 29, 2024 9:49:39 GMT -5
The PAC clearly wanted UNLV and obviously made them an offer. It seems likely that they were unwilling to also extend the offer to Reno? Why I’m not sure, but maybe they were already locked in to a strategy related to media markets, and Reno didn’t fit. But now they’ve shot themselves in the foot a little bit.
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 29, 2024 9:53:25 GMT -5
San Jose, Reno, are WAC type schools that probably should've moved (back) to the Big Sky with Idaho.
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Post by JJVb on Oct 1, 2024 3:25:55 GMT -5
So MWC looks to be going after UTEP, while Sac State is making a charge to get into PAC-12. Both conferences have also approached Texas State.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 9:29:29 GMT -5
So MWC looks to be going after UTEP, while Sac State is making a charge to get into PAC-12. Both conferences have also approached Texas State. UTEP without NMSU would potentially cause some messy New Mexico politics. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 9:31:02 GMT -5
Because they're on the hook for $100-$150 million in exit fees and poaching penalties by doing it this way. And they don't even have eight members. Their mistake was not nailing down the 8th member before making the public announcements. Everyone knows that separating Reno and Nevada is a politically loaded proposition. The PAC had $250M banked from the conference dissolution. There’s no reason to believe their best or only option was a reverse merger. I mean, they could have used that $250M toward, you know, improving their programs. All this to get a slightly better version of the Mountain West. Anyway, I agree that if they were going to go this route, they should have had eight schools locked and loaded from the outset. |
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 1, 2024 9:47:51 GMT -5
So MWC looks to be going after UTEP, while Sac State is making a charge to get into PAC-12. Both conferences have also approached Texas State. UTEP without NMSU would potentially cause some messy New Mexico politics. Do you mean New Mexico without NMSU? |
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 1, 2024 9:47:56 GMT -5
Their mistake was not nailing down the 8th member before making the public announcements. Everyone knows that separating Reno and Nevada is a politically loaded proposition. The PAC had $250M banked from the conference dissolution. There’s no reason to believe their best or only option was a reverse merger. I mean, they could have used that $250M toward, you know, improving their programs. All this to get a slightly better version of the Mountain West. Anyway, I agree that if they were going to go this route, they should have had eight schools locked and loaded from the outset. I think one could legitimately argue that Washington State and Oregon State are, even now, still the two least viable or attractive teams in the PAC, but they're the ones who ended up with the conference rights and the $250 million. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 9:54:13 GMT -5
UTEP without NMSU would potentially cause some messy New Mexico politics. Do you mean New Mexico without NMSU? I mean adding UTEP to the Mountain West, which already includes New Mexico, and not including New Mexico State. |
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Oct 1, 2024 10:14:58 GMT -5
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 10:24:39 GMT -5
Gonzaga is an interesting add for the Pac-12. They don't play football, so they still need to add someone else. Also, it was initially reported that Gonzaga was being offered a full share of the revenue rather than a partial share. If so, then that makes sense for Gonzaga. I think we now see why the WCC added Seattle. I don't think Gonzaga wanted them there, but Gonzaga has been looking to go elsewhere for a while now. From a basketball standpoint, the new Pac-12 should be a better conference than the WCC currently is. And it being so small isn't even a bad thing for Gonzaga, as it opens up more non-conference slots.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 11:40:58 GMT -5
UTEP to the Mountain West is official.
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 1, 2024 11:59:34 GMT -5
Do you mean New Mexico without NMSU? I mean adding UTEP to the Mountain West, which already includes New Mexico, and not including New Mexico State. OK. New Mexico politicians may want NMSU to be in the Mountain West, but New Mexico can't force the rest of the conference to take them. Also it's possible that multiple New Mexico politicians are UTEP grads. |
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