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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 12:13:39 GMT -5
So it sounds like FCS Tarleton State is the next school being targeted by the Mountain West. I have absolutely no idea what the Pac-12 is planning to do. The addition of Gonzaga is nice for basketball, but they still need a full football playing member to get to the minimum. Their fans online keep talking about trying to get Memphis to reconsider if the Pac-whatever makes a less insulting offer than they did last time. But I haven't really seen that credibly reported.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 12:19:32 GMT -5
I mean adding UTEP to the Mountain West, which already includes New Mexico, and not including New Mexico State. OK. New Mexico politicians may want NMSU to be in the Mountain West, but New Mexico can't force the rest of the conference to take them. Also it's possible that multiple New Mexico politicians are UTEP grads. Right. New Mexico doesn't have much power or leverage at this point, and with the conference on the verge of collapse, I don't think the legislature can get away with trying to withhold funds as they've threatened in the past. As for New Mexico politicians, I'd guess there are more New Mexico grads. There are certainly some NMSU grads in there. I'm not sure how many UTEP grads there are. Probably more than none but also probably a fairly insignificant number. I tried to see if I could find a report on where they went to school, but I couldn't find anything, and I don't feel like trying to figure it out manually. |
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 1, 2024 12:46:06 GMT -5
So it sounds like FCS Tarleton State is the next school being targeted by the Mountain West. I have absolutely no idea what the Pac-12 is planning to do. The addition of Gonzaga is nice for basketball, but they still need a full football playing member to get to the minimum. Their fans online keep talking about trying to get Memphis to reconsider if the Pac-whatever makes a less insulting offer than they did last time. But I haven't really seen that credibly reported. Tarleton is probably not a bad target. It's a current member of the WAC and located in Stephenville which is a little over 60 miles west of Fort Worth. They even have a good sized satellite campus on the southern edge of Fort Worth. |
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 1, 2024 12:51:58 GMT -5
OK. New Mexico politicians may want NMSU to be in the Mountain West, but New Mexico can't force the rest of the conference to take them. Also it's possible that multiple New Mexico politicians are UTEP grads. Right. New Mexico doesn't have much power or leverage at this point, and with the conference on the verge of collapse, I don't think the legislature can get away with trying to withhold funds as they've threatened in the past. As for New Mexico politicians, I'd guess there are more New Mexico grads. There are certainly some NMSU grads in there. I'm not sure how many UTEP grads there are. Probably more than none but also probably a fairly insignificant number. I tried to see if I could find a report on where they went to school, but I couldn't find anything, and I don't feel like trying to figure it out manually. I would also guess more New Mexico grads in the legislature than NMSU grads. Just mentioned UTEP because they are likely a few grads in the legislature and would help solidify a majority leaning toward UNM. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 12:55:31 GMT -5
So it sounds like FCS Tarleton State is the next school being targeted by the Mountain West. I have absolutely no idea what the Pac-12 is planning to do. The addition of Gonzaga is nice for basketball, but they still need a full football playing member to get to the minimum. Their fans online keep talking about trying to get Memphis to reconsider if the Pac-whatever makes a less insulting offer than they did last time. But I haven't really seen that credibly reported. Tarleton is probably not a bad target. It's a current member of the WAC and located in Stephenville which is a little over 60 miles west of Fort Worth. They even have a good sized satellite campus on the southern edge of Fort Worth. Yeah, after reading up on them, I can see the appeal. They're apparently fairly well off as part of the A&M system, and they actually want to move up. |
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Post by vbnerd on Oct 1, 2024 13:00:13 GMT -5
I get this move is about the basketball program, but are the volleyball/softball/soccer progams a part of this too? I cannot imagine the WCC accepting the non-revenue sports without Gonzaga playing basketball there, but I don't see any sport but basketball mentioned in the release. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 13:02:22 GMT -5
I get this move is about the basketball program, but are the volleyball/softball/soccer progams a part of this too? I cannot imagine the WCC accepting the non-revenue sports without Gonzaga playing basketball there, but I don't see any sport but basketball mentioned in the release. Yeah, it's for all sports per Pete Thamel. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 13:08:30 GMT -5
Right. New Mexico doesn't have much power or leverage at this point, and with the conference on the verge of collapse, I don't think the legislature can get away with trying to withhold funds as they've threatened in the past. As for New Mexico politicians, I'd guess there are more New Mexico grads. There are certainly some NMSU grads in there. I'm not sure how many UTEP grads there are. Probably more than none but also probably a fairly insignificant number. I tried to see if I could find a report on where they went to school, but I couldn't find anything, and I don't feel like trying to figure it out manually. I would also guess more New Mexico grads in the legislature than NMSU grads. Just mentioned UTEP because they are likely a few grads in the legislature and would help solidify a majority leaning toward UNM. Yeah, I can see that. Due to the New Mexico lottery funding tuition for state schools, most people go to UNM or NMSU. I'm from a town that's 45 minutes south of Albuquerque, and I would say that my friends that stayed home were maybe 2 to 1 in UNM's favor. I don't know anyone who went to UTEP. Granted, I suppose if you are from the southern part of the state, there's probably more because El Paso is a lot closer to, say, Las Cruces than it is to Albuquerque. |
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 1, 2024 15:11:10 GMT -5
I would also guess more New Mexico grads in the legislature than NMSU grads. Just mentioned UTEP because they are likely a few grads in the legislature and would help solidify a majority leaning toward UNM. Yeah, I can see that. Due to the New Mexico lottery funding tuition for state schools, most people go to UNM or NMSU. I'm from a town that's 45 minutes south of Albuquerque, and I would say that my friends that stayed home were maybe 2 to 1 in UNM's favor. I don't know anyone who went to UTEP. Granted, I suppose if you are from the southern part of the state, there's probably more because El Paso is a lot closer to, say, Las Cruces than it is to Albuquerque. Just thinking that a lot of kids considering NMSU likely also consider UTEP since they aren't very far apart. Also reasonable to think that a fair number of UTEP grads end up working in New Mexico. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 15:18:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I can see that. Due to the New Mexico lottery funding tuition for state schools, most people go to UNM or NMSU. I'm from a town that's 45 minutes south of Albuquerque, and I would say that my friends that stayed home were maybe 2 to 1 in UNM's favor. I don't know anyone who went to UTEP. Granted, I suppose if you are from the southern part of the state, there's probably more because El Paso is a lot closer to, say, Las Cruces than it is to Albuquerque. Just thinking that a lot of kids considering NMSU likely also consider UTEP since they aren't very far apart. Also reasonable to think that a fair number of UTEP grads end up working in New Mexico. Yeah, like I said, the lottery scholarship greatly influences where New Mexico kids go to school. You can basically get a free education if you stay in state. |
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 1, 2024 15:32:00 GMT -5
Tarleton is probably not a bad target. It's a current member of the WAC and located in Stephenville which is a little over 60 miles west of Fort Worth. They even have a good sized satellite campus on the southern edge of Fort Worth. Yeah, after reading up on them, I can see the appeal. They're apparently fairly well off as part of the A&M system, and they actually want to move up. They've been fairly aggressive in recent years in increasing enrollment and moving up in athletics. Stephenville is the closest town west of where I grew up so we played them often in junior high and high school. The high school and Tarleton shared the football stadium, but they have now increased the capacity to around 25-30K so it looks like a college stadium rather than a high school one. Couple of my great-nephews played football there. It appears they've been trying to increase their attractiveness to students from the DFW area, especially on the Fort Worth side. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 16:19:01 GMT -5
The new Pac-12 apparently will let schools keep 50% of their NCAA tournament units with the other 50% distributed evenly. Between this and Gonzaga apparently getting a full share of TV revenue or close to it, this is a sweetheart deal for them. The other schools with the exception of Fresno State are all at least respectable in basketball. And like I said, having a small conference probably works fine for Gonzaga so they can pursue marquee out-of-conference opponents. It's not as good for them from a basketball standpoint as the Big East or Big 12, but it seems like their best option in a Western conference.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 16:39:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I can see that. Due to the New Mexico lottery funding tuition for state schools, most people go to UNM or NMSU. I'm from a town that's 45 minutes south of Albuquerque, and I would say that my friends that stayed home were maybe 2 to 1 in UNM's favor. I don't know anyone who went to UTEP. Granted, I suppose if you are from the southern part of the state, there's probably more because El Paso is a lot closer to, say, Las Cruces than it is to Albuquerque. Just thinking that a lot of kids considering NMSU likely also consider UTEP since they aren't very far apart. Also reasonable to think that a fair number of UTEP grads end up working in New Mexico. Okay, I didn't realize this, but UTEP's current president is a former New Mexico congresswoman (she represented my district). That probably helped. |
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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 1, 2024 20:02:20 GMT -5
How pathetic is New Mexico???
The only possible explanation for NMSU not getting an invite is that they are being blackballed by UNM.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 1, 2024 20:50:49 GMT -5
How pathetic is New Mexico??? The only possible explanation for NMSU not getting an invite is that they are being blackballed by UNM. New Mexico is only one school, and they don't have much power of influence at the moment. If New Mexico State truly was a valuable addition, the other schools could simply outvote UNM. The reality is that the others also see no value in NMSU. They're in the same market as UTEP and don't add much. |
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