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Post by bbg95 on Oct 2, 2024 22:02:38 GMT -5
Two straight bowl games and 10 wins last year. It's too bad Kill quit, or whatever the hell happened. What is Tarleton's record as an FBS team, again? 0-0? Reminds me of that Family Guy episode. "Why would I take a boat when I can have a mystery box??? It could be anything! It could even be a boat!!" Kill had to step down because of his health issues. Similar to when he stepped down at Minnesota. He is some sort of special assistant at Vanderbilt right now. NMSU was just fortunate to have Kill. If it wasn't for his health issues, he would have never been available to them in 22 as he would have been coaching at a much higher level. They're are reverting back to form now. On top of everything else, NMSU had a major scandal that resulted in ending their 2023 basketball season. Not sure the Mountain West wants to deal with them. There's also this weird sense of entitlement with their fans. They seem to think they're owed a spot just because they're in New Mexico. They could still get in if there are no better options because the MWC has to add somebody to get to eight full members. But I don't blame them for exploring other options. |
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Post by JJVb on Oct 3, 2024 1:21:24 GMT -5
Looks like both Sac State and Grand Canyon making a play to get into PAC-12, and Texas State turned down MWC-maybe waiting for PAC offer, or just want to stay put in the Sun Belt. PAC-12 today said they are holding before adding other teams.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 3, 2024 2:29:04 GMT -5
Looks like both Sac State and Grand Canyon making a play to get into PAC-12, and Texas State turned down MWC-maybe waiting for PAC offer, or just want to stay put in the Sun Belt. PAC-12 today said they are holding before adding other teams. It would kind of wild if the PAC went from being mostly large state flagship research universities to including for-profit religious Grand Canyon. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 3, 2024 7:48:22 GMT -5
Looks like both Sac State and Grand Canyon making a play to get into PAC-12, and Texas State turned down MWC-maybe waiting for PAC offer, or just want to stay put in the Sun Belt. PAC-12 today said they are holding before adding other teams. It would kind of wild if the PAC went from being mostly large state flagship research universities to including for-profit religious Grand Canyon. Stanford and Cal never coming back. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 3, 2024 9:23:31 GMT -5
Stanford and Cal were never coming back anyway. Boise State and the other MWC schools are probably as offensive to them as Grand Canyon would be.
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 3, 2024 10:13:06 GMT -5
Looks like both Sac State and Grand Canyon making a play to get into PAC-12, and Texas State turned down MWC-maybe waiting for PAC offer, or just want to stay put in the Sun Belt. PAC-12 today said they are holding before adding other teams. It's possible Texas State's preference is try to get an invitation from the AAC. UTSA just joined the AAC this year and there are two other Texas schools in the conference. I can easily see them turning down an MWC invitation as the new MWC doesn't look any better than the Sun Belt (and maybe worse). Not sure how attractive the Pac would be to them since they would be a significant outlier geographically. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 3, 2024 10:17:50 GMT -5
Per Brett McMurphy, the Mountain West and Hawaii are in discussions for Hawaii to become a full member. I figured that this would be one of their options if they had a hard time finding someone else. Travel is a concern, but I also think this is better than adding NMSU for no reason. It gets the Mountain West to the minimum eight full members, which buys them time to explore other expansion options and makes it less likely that they'll make a panic addition.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 3, 2024 12:26:23 GMT -5
There's just not a lot of Div I/FBS football programs in the West:
Big Ten: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington
ACC: Stanford, Cal
Big 12: Colorado, Arizona, ASU, Utah, BYU
Pac X: WSU, OSU, BSU, FSU, SDSU, CSU, Utah St
MWC: UNLV, Nevada-Reno, Air Force, San Jose State, New Mexico, Wyoming, UTEP, Hawaii (Football Only)
C-USA: NMSU
The tussle could be over NMSU or Hawaii (All Sports)
FCS football programs: Sacramento St, UC Davis, Cal Poly, San Diego, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, Utah Tech, Southern Utah, Weber St, Portland State, Eastern Washington, Idaho, Idaho St, Montana, Montana State, North Dakota, North Dakota St, South Dakota, South Dakota St (Many of these schools would need to upgrade stadium capacities to step up to FBS.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 3, 2024 12:33:41 GMT -5
Per Brett McMurphy, the Mountain West and Hawaii are in discussions for Hawaii to become a full member. I figured that this would be one of their options if they had a hard time finding someone else. Travel is a concern, but I also think this is better than adding NMSU for no reason. It gets the Mountain West to the minimum eight full members, which buys them time to explore other expansion options and makes it less likely that they'll make a panic addition. this is tough on Hawaii, why would Hawaii want to join a sinking ship, with the revised MWC even worse travel than the old MWC? Just because of football, which is a mess right now at Hawaii? for VB, Col State & Utah State (two of hte better old MWC WVB programs) are solid. for MVB & BVB, Hawaii would have to become an affiliate of the Big West, which I'm sure they would allow, but not ideal from the Big West perspective. I suspect Hawaii would jump to have all sports in the Pac-xxyyzz, but even if it was only football, they'd be ok. I just don't see the MWC as a good option for Hawaii forward, it's no man's land long-term, and bad for their Olympic programs, especially VB it would almost seem like a MWC demand type conversation; become full time or else type discussion from the MWC. not good for Hawaii. No way they want non-football programs in the MWC. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 3, 2024 13:13:43 GMT -5
Per Brett McMurphy, the Mountain West and Hawaii are in discussions for Hawaii to become a full member. I figured that this would be one of their options if they had a hard time finding someone else. Travel is a concern, but I also think this is better than adding NMSU for no reason. It gets the Mountain West to the minimum eight full members, which buys them time to explore other expansion options and makes it less likely that they'll make a panic addition. this is tough on Hawaii, why would Hawaii want to join a sinking ship, with the revised MWC even worse travel than the old MWC? Just because of football, which is a mess right now at Hawaii? for VB, Col State & Utah State (two of hte better old MWC WVB programs) are solid. for MVB & BVB, Hawaii would have to become an affiliate of the Big West, which I'm sure they would allow, but not ideal from the Big West perspective. I suspect Hawaii would jump to have all sports in the Pac-xxyyzz, but even if it was only football, they'd be ok. I just don't see the MWC as a good option for Hawaii forward, it's no man's land long-term, and bad for their Olympic programs, especially VB it would almost seem like a MWC demand type conversation; become full time or else type discussion from the MWC. not good for Hawaii. No way they want non-football programs in the MWC. I disagree. The new Mountain West is a better conference for men's basketball, and Hawaii will get a larger payout as a full member than football only. There will be more travel than in the Big West, but there will always be significant amounts of travel when going to and from Hawaii. I don't think volleyball will have much of an influence on this decision. And the men's volleyball program can probably just stay in the Big West anyway. |
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Post by bayarea on Oct 3, 2024 15:19:37 GMT -5
Gonzaga is an interesting add for the Pac-12. They don't play football, so they still need to add someone else. Also, it was initially reported that Gonzaga was being offered a full share of the revenue rather than a partial share. If so, then that makes sense for Gonzaga. I think we now see why the WCC added Seattle. I don't think Gonzaga wanted them there, but Gonzaga has been looking to go elsewhere for a while now. From a basketball standpoint, the new Pac-12 should be a better conference than the WCC currently is. And it being so small isn't even a bad thing for Gonzaga, as it opens up more non-conference slots. Losing Gonzaga from the WCC is a bummer from a basketball standpoint. But on their current volleyball trajectory (worst in conference), it isn't going to be a loss to the WCC. GCU and Seattle are coming to the WCC next fall, if GCU doesn't get cold feet and bolt... From a volleyball standpoint, GCU is a good trade for Gonzaga. |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Oct 3, 2024 15:40:59 GMT -5
this is tough on Hawaii, why would Hawaii want to join a sinking ship, with the revised MWC even worse travel than the old MWC? Just because of football, which is a mess right now at Hawaii? for VB, Col State & Utah State (two of hte better old MWC WVB programs) are solid. for MVB & BVB, Hawaii would have to become an affiliate of the Big West, which I'm sure they would allow, but not ideal from the Big West perspective. I suspect Hawaii would jump to have all sports in the Pac-xxyyzz, but even if it was only football, they'd be ok. I just don't see the MWC as a good option for Hawaii forward, it's no man's land long-term, and bad for their Olympic programs, especially VB it would almost seem like a MWC demand type conversation; become full time or else type discussion from the MWC. not good for Hawaii. No way they want non-football programs in the MWC. I disagree. The new Mountain West is a better conference for men's basketball, and Hawaii will get a larger payout as a full member than football only. There will be more travel than in the Big West, but there will always be significant amounts of travel when going to and from Hawaii. I don't think volleyball will have much of an influence on this decision. And the men's volleyball program can probably just stay in the Big West anyway. The Big West Academically from top to bottom has higher-ranking institutions than either MWC or the Pac12 currently. And as for travel, Hawai'i only has to travel to California. Hawai'i has been upping its academic reputation for over a decade, they have consistently topped the half-a-billion dollar research grant money for a few years in a row. They are an R1 school like many other schools, but they are a Space, Land, Sea, and sun grant school which is a big deal, one of four. |
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Post by baytree on Oct 3, 2024 16:01:39 GMT -5
Per Brett McMurphy, the Mountain West and Hawaii are in discussions for Hawaii to become a full member. I figured that this would be one of their options if they had a hard time finding someone else. Travel is a concern, but I also think this is better than adding NMSU for no reason. It gets the Mountain West to the minimum eight full members, which buys them time to explore other expansion options and makes it less likely that they'll make a panic addition. this is tough on Hawaii, why would Hawaii want to join a sinking ship, with the revised MWC even worse travel than the old MWC? Just because of football, which is a mess right now at Hawaii? for MVB & BVB, Hawaii would have to become an affiliate of the Big West, which I'm sure they would allow, but not ideal from the Big West perspective. For mvb and bvb, they could apply to the MPSF
Beach Volleyball (7)
California
Grand Canyon
Oregon
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Men's Volleyball (9)
Brigham Young
Concordia
Grand Canyon
Menlo
Pepperdine
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Vanguard
not many men's swimming and diving teams, though. Big West is better for that.
Men's Swimming & Diving (2)
Pacific
University of the Incarnate Word
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Post by HawaiiVB on Oct 3, 2024 16:09:35 GMT -5
If only the Big West reinstated football as a sponsored sport.
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Post by JJVb on Oct 3, 2024 16:17:11 GMT -5
Gonzaga is an interesting add for the Pac-12. They don't play football, so they still need to add someone else. Also, it was initially reported that Gonzaga was being offered a full share of the revenue rather than a partial share. If so, then that makes sense for Gonzaga. I think we now see why the WCC added Seattle. I don't think Gonzaga wanted them there, but Gonzaga has been looking to go elsewhere for a while now. From a basketball standpoint, the new Pac-12 should be a better conference than the WCC currently is. And it being so small isn't even a bad thing for Gonzaga, as it opens up more non-conference slots. Losing Gonzaga from the WCC is a bummer from a basketball standpoint. But on their current volleyball trajectory (worst in conference), it isn't going to be a loss to the WCC. GCU and Seattle are coming to the WCC next fall, if GCU doesn't get cold feet and bolt... From a volleyball standpoint, GCU is a good trade for Gonzaga. Im just wondering why Gonzaga vb has been fairly bad for like a decade.. |
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