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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Oct 3, 2024 21:31:04 GMT -5
Lol, when do you think the Mountain West started? The point is the same--the standard is different for new members regardless of conference. It's pretty hard to kick a member out. It happened to Temple in the old Big East once, but that's about it. Much easier to just not admit someone. Temple was a football only affiliate member of the Big East, so they were pretty easy to kick out. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 3, 2024 21:37:59 GMT -5
Lol, when do you think the Mountain West started? The point is the same--the standard is different for new members regardless of conference. It's pretty hard to kick a member out. It happened to Temple in the old Big East once, but that's about it. Much easier to just not admit someone. Temple was a football only affiliate member of the Big East, so they were pretty easy to kick out. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying that's like the one example where it's happened in recent memory in a power conference. There are some other examples in G5 conferences like UConn football getting told to get lost when the rest of the athletic department moved to the new Big East. Still quite rare. Anyway, the Mountain West is not going to kick out New Mexico or any of its other existing members, and it will only invite NMSU if it has no other options. |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Oct 3, 2024 22:24:01 GMT -5
There's always the Idaho Vandals. Lol.
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Post by brooselee on Oct 4, 2024 6:34:37 GMT -5
Sending Wyoming volleyball team on a plane to Hawaii for 3-5 sets of volleyball, then turn around and come home ... is right up there in asininity with Cal being in the ACC. The league could do a schedule similar to how the Hawaii men’s team do it. Teams going to Hawaii will play 2 matches. Hawaii going to the mainland and playing conferences matches will also play 2 matches. The next year, the teams that went to Hawaii will host Hawaii for 2 matches while those teams Hawaii visited will fly to Hawaii and play two. That way you play each opponents twice but instead of home and home every year, Hawaii will 2 at home one year and 2 at the opponents place the following year. This also allows for teams to fly to Hawaii every other year and not every year. I believe the BYU men’s volleyball team do their schedule like that too so teams just don’t fly in for one match and then fly out. |
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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 4, 2024 20:58:35 GMT -5
There's always the Idaho Vandals. Lol. What about UC Davis?
Academically they're off the chart, compared to what remains in the PAC.
I have no idea if they have any willpower or boosters to move up. I know their stadium is expandable, I want to say to 20-30k perhaps.
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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 4, 2024 20:59:35 GMT -5
Sending Wyoming volleyball team on a plane to Hawaii for 3-5 sets of volleyball, then turn around and come home ... is right up there in asininity with Cal being in the ACC. The league could do a schedule similar to how the Hawaii men’s team do it. Teams going to Hawaii will play 2 matches. Hawaii going to the mainland and playing conferences matches will also play 2 matches. The next year, the teams that went to Hawaii will host Hawaii for 2 matches while those teams Hawaii visited will fly to Hawaii and play two. That way you play each opponents twice but instead of home and home every year, Hawaii will 2 at home one year and 2 at the opponents place the following year. This also allows for teams to fly to Hawaii every other year and not every year. I believe the BYU men’s volleyball team do their schedule like that too so teams just don’t fly in for one match and then fly out. I don't think a single conference in the country does this in women's volleyball.
Having to make that concession just to try to make the scheduling work is silly.
The Big West works because travel is easy. You fly to SFO and LAX and that's it. Hawaiian teams can bus to multiple conf teams in SoCal or NorCal, on each trip. Teams coming to the island for one conf game, while still a bit absurd, at least it's not quite as bad a flight.
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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 4, 2024 21:02:21 GMT -5
The other off the wall idea would be for the PAC to approach Grand Canyon and see if they want to become the next Liberty. As that would be their nature. Talking about going up to FBS football, from nothing.
They certainly have the market, money, and rabid fanbase.
Just a matter of if the remaining school presidents can hold their noses at the stench of a for-profit religious school.
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Post by JJVb on Oct 4, 2024 22:45:32 GMT -5
There's always the Idaho Vandals. Lol. What about UC Davis?
Academically they're off the chart, compared to what remains in the PAC.
I have no idea if they have any willpower or boosters to move up. I know their stadium is expandable, I want to say to 20-30k perhaps.
I like a UCD option, but Sac State wants it badly it seems. Why not both! |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Oct 4, 2024 23:21:11 GMT -5
There's always the Idaho Vandals. Lol. What about UC Davis? Academically they're off the chart, compared to what remains in the PAC. I have no idea if they have any willpower or boosters to move up. I know their stadium is expandable, I want to say to 20-30k perhaps.
Good idea bring in Cal Poly, Long Beach, and any other Big West school with football. |
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 4, 2024 23:29:13 GMT -5
What about UC Davis? Academically they're off the chart, compared to what remains in the PAC. I have no idea if they have any willpower or boosters to move up. I know their stadium is expandable, I want to say to 20-30k perhaps.
Good idea bring in Cal Poly, Long Beach, and any other Big West school with football. The top schools in the Big West would be good fits in a PAC conference with a football and non-football division. The bottom of the Big West is a huge drag, but Irvine, Long Beach, UC San Diego, Santa Barbara (and Hawai'i in the football division) would be solid fits geographically and academically. The biggest problem is that Washington State and Oregon State are probably the biggest drags on the PAC. lol |
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Post by baytree on Oct 4, 2024 23:36:15 GMT -5
What about UC Davis?
Academically they're off the chart, compared to what remains in the PAC.
I have no idea if they have any willpower or boosters to move up. I know their stadium is expandable, I want to say to 20-30k perhaps.
I like a UCD option, but Sac State wants it badly it seems. Why not both! Are we talking about MWC or the PAC?
I don't think the PAC can bring in an FCS school to get them to eight at this point bc the transition to FBS would take too long to meet the deadline. They could be extras or, more likely, go to the MWC whose two year clock hasn't started yet. I'm not sure if Davis is interested but they'd be a good candidate if they want to make it work. |
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Post by JJVb on Oct 4, 2024 23:55:10 GMT -5
Good idea bring in Cal Poly, Long Beach, and any other Big West school with football. The top schools in the Big West would be good fits in a PAC conference with a football and non-football division. The bottom of the Big West is a huge drag, but Irvine, Long Beach, UC San Diego, Santa Barbara (and Hawai'i in the football division) would be solid fits geographically and academically. The biggest problem is that Washington State and Oregon State are probably the biggest drags on the PAC. lol Be nice lol |
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Post by JJVb on Oct 4, 2024 23:56:35 GMT -5
I like a UCD option, but Sac State wants it badly it seems. Why not both! Are we talking about MWC or the PAC?
I don't think the PAC can bring in an FCS school to get them to eight at this point bc the transition to FBS would take too long to meet the deadline. They could be extras or, more likely, go to the MWC whose two year clock hasn't started yet. I'm not sure if Davis is interested but they'd be a good candidate if they want to make it work. I was talking about PAC. Well I know Sac State is making a big push for PAC entrance. I've read several articles of them investing in Sac State facilities to make it happen. Not sure how realistic or how long it would take to make happen though. |
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Post by baytree on Oct 5, 2024 0:20:38 GMT -5
Are we talking about MWC or the PAC?
I don't think the PAC can bring in an FCS school to get them to eight at this point bc the transition to FBS would take too long to meet the deadline. They could be extras or, more likely, go to the MWC whose two year clock hasn't started yet. I'm not sure if Davis is interested but they'd be a good candidate if they want to make it work. I was talking about PAC. Well I know Sac State is making a big push for PAC entrance. I've read several articles of them investing in Sac State facilities to make it happen. Not sure how realistic or how long it would take to make happen though. Thanks. I read that they were making a big push for the FBS, were planing a new stadium, had NIL donors lined up, etc. I assumed it was for the MWC bc of the timing but also bc they're in such a good location to make rivals with SJSU and Nevada. I can understand why they'd prefer the PAC. Having Fresno State as a rival would work well too. I don't understand how they'd be able to do that in time to help the PAC reach 8 before the summer 2026 deadline, though. I guess the PAC may want to expand later. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 5, 2024 0:28:49 GMT -5
I was talking about PAC. Well I know Sac State is making a big push for PAC entrance. I've read several articles of them investing in Sac State facilities to make it happen. Not sure how realistic or how long it would take to make happen though. Thanks. I read that they were making a big push for the FBS, were planing a new stadium, had NIL donors lined up, etc. I assumed it was for the MWC bc of the timing but also bc they're in such a good location to make rivals with SJSU and Nevada. I can understand why they'd prefer the PAC. Having Fresno State as a rival would work well too. I don't understand how they'd be able to do that in time to help the PAC reach 8 before the summer 2026 deadline, though. I guess the PAC may want to expand later. Correct. The Pac-12 is actually in a fairly tight spot for the reason you mentioned. They have to convince an available FBS school to join them. I'm sure that, worst case scenario, they can bribe Texas State or Sam Houston State or something. But their plan doesn't seem very well thought out. |
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