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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 1:30:45 GMT -5
Maybe this is overly critical but throughout Robyn's tenure, I can't name a player who has shown improvement throughout their time in the program. Can you name a player who has significantly improved under RAMS? One thing to remember is that AhMow hasn't had her first recruiting class in for a full 4-yr cycle yet. If I'm not mistaken, this years sophomore class was her first recruiting class. I see what you mean in terms of individual development, however, Shoji's recruiting class the few years prior to AhMow was dismal. Lipscomb, Castaneda, Howling were no studs coming in and eventually left the program. What AhMow did with what she had was amazing. Two first round losses (5 setters, who ended up in the final four the next year) and a sweet sixteen appearance shows me, AhMow knows what she's doing and getting the most out of her TEAM right now. The constant moving of players to different positions isn't helping either. I surely hope the plan is to move Leoniak to the OH position because that would mean a lot of players are vying for that spot. I have to agree with Ohi. I’m just not sure she really knows how to create a system and coach it. Shoji had a system that he ran and honestly his teams were very organized and had training to fall back on. The UCSB coach has a system that she runs and her teams all pretty much look the same in execution or at least what they are trying to do. Robyn seems messy? I also think it’s a stretch to say that it was “amazing” that she had two 1st round finishes. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but it is just that, an opinion. |
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Post by hapaguy on Oct 24, 2021 1:34:18 GMT -5
just finished the replay since i couldn't watch it live. i'm so happy that leoniak finally got her breakthrough night. i especially love the spark and sass she brings to the court. i skipped the second set, but i hope BVS is okay. mia did a pretty decent job as the backup OH. with all the upset craziness happening across the country, it's still unlikely that two BW teams will make the tourney, right? Yeah the Big West will only get it's conference champ in to the tournament. Hawaii is the only team with an RPI high enough to even be considered for an at-large if they don't win the conference but even before the loss to UCSB Hawaii was in the high 50's in RPI which isn't even close to getting in.... |
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Post by roy on Oct 24, 2021 1:34:33 GMT -5
Hard to evaluate if you are not sitting on the end line or have the opposition passing data for the matches and the season. Also, maybe this is just the B1G, which is pretty loaded again, but Orzol has a topspin jump serve that can be nasty, and it was highly effective on one weekend of league play, I heard, in opponent sideout percentages. This weekend, when it really came down to it, they had her going with a jump float that seemed to cause some disruption but was lower error (having a former engineer your head coach tried to talk out of coaching volleyball as one of your assistants does mean you have and are on top of the data). Fully agree with this. TV is really hard to judge float serves. It could be an easy serve or it could be a serve that has a lot of movement on it. For me, not seeing it in person is really hard to tell. But I do see that while Hawaii is not getting a lot of aces, teams are not passing directly to the setter on every single pass. Passes are still behind the 10 foot line and it is limiting the opposing team's options. The other thing is that Hawaii is not getting outserved by Big West teams with jump servers. Lovett from Long Beach has a nasty jump serve, but if I recall this weekend correctly, UCSB and CSUN had float servers that put Hawaii in trouble. |
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Post by ACE on Oct 24, 2021 1:40:54 GMT -5
One thing to remember is that AhMow hasn't had her first recruiting class in for a full 4-yr cycle yet. If I'm not mistaken, this years sophomore class was her first recruiting class. I see what you mean in terms of individual development, however, Shoji's recruiting class the few years prior to AhMow was dismal. Lipscomb, Castaneda, Howling were no studs coming in and eventually left the program. What AhMow did with what she had was amazing. Two first round losses (5 setters, who ended up in the final four the next year) and a sweet sixteen appearance shows me, AhMow knows what she's doing and getting the most out of her TEAM right now. The constant moving of players to different positions isn't helping either. I surely hope the plan is to move Leoniak to the OH position because that would mean a lot of players are vying for that spot. I have to agree with Ohi. I’m just not sure she really knows how to create a system and coach it. Shoji had a system that he ran and honestly his teams were very organized and had training to fall back on. The UCSB coach has a system that she runs and her teams all pretty much look the same in execution or at least what they are trying to do. Robyn seems messy? I also think it’s a stretch to say that it was “amazing” that she had two 1st round finishes. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but it is just that, an opinion. I said amazing because it went 5 sets. Many thought they were gonna get trounced by Illinois and by Baylor. Heck, many were questioning Hawaii even getting in. I mean Hawaii had Castillo at OH, Illinois had Quaid. Hawaii had Granato, Baylor had Pressy. Hawaii was still competitive. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 1:42:26 GMT -5
I have to agree with Ohi. I’m just not sure she really knows how to create a system and coach it. Shoji had a system that he ran and honestly his teams were very organized and had training to fall back on. The UCSB coach has a system that she runs and her teams all pretty much look the same in execution or at least what they are trying to do. Robyn seems messy? I also think it’s a stretch to say that it was “amazing” that she had two 1st round finishes. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but it is just that, an opinion. I said amazing because it went 5 sets. Many thought they were gonna get trounced by Illinois and by Baylor. Heck, many were questioning Hawaii even getting in. I mean Hawaii had Castillo at OH, Illinois had Quaid. Hawaii had Granato, Baylor had Pressy. Hawaii was still competitive. Ah okay I understand now. And you’re right they were competitive in those matches. |
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Post by bucky415 on Oct 24, 2021 1:45:47 GMT -5
I have to agree with Ohi. I’m just not sure she really knows how to create a system and coach it. Shoji had a system that he ran and honestly his teams were very organized and had training to fall back on. The UCSB coach has a system that she runs and her teams all pretty much look the same in execution or at least what they are trying to do. Robyn seems messy? I also think it’s a stretch to say that it was “amazing” that she had two 1st round finishes. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but it is just that, an opinion. I said amazing because it went 5 sets. Many thought they were gonna get trounced by Illinois and by Baylor. Heck, many were questioning Hawaii even getting in. I mean Hawaii had Castillo at OH, Illinois had Quaid. Hawaii had Granato, Baylor had Pressy. Hawaii was still competitive. Cripes. Wisconsin somehow recovered to beat Penn State, Hawai'i escaped. I am on a volleyball high! Do you have to mention Quade and Pressley to try to trigger my volleyball PTSD?  |
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Post by ACE on Oct 24, 2021 1:47:13 GMT -5
I said amazing because it went 5 sets. Many thought they were gonna get trounced by Illinois and by Baylor. Heck, many were questioning Hawaii even getting in. I mean Hawaii had Castillo at OH, Illinois had Quaid. Hawaii had Granato, Baylor had Pressy. Hawaii was still competitive. Cripes. Wisconsin somehow recovered to beat Penn State, Hawai'i escaped. I am on a volleyball high! Do you have to mention Quade and Pressley to try to trigger my volleyball PTSD? Hahahaha....Why Wisconsin did beat Baylor in 2019 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 2:06:22 GMT -5
I really don't understand why RAM won't let Mia serve. We've seen her serve previously and she has a nice jump serve with lots of pace. Can get teams OOS with that serve more than Gong's lollipop serve.... Really? She does a fake roll shot from the service line. No pace whatsoever. |
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Post by bucky415 on Oct 24, 2021 2:10:26 GMT -5
Cripes. Wisconsin somehow recovered to beat Penn State, Hawai'i escaped. I am on a volleyball high! Do you have to mention Quade and Pressley to try to trigger my volleyball PTSD? Hahahaha....Why Wisconsin did beat Baylor in 2019 When it mattered, yes. In 2018 and the 2019 4-4 non conference, with 3 home losses, no. Plus, this year's 15 kills at .324 for her was around half her career kills per match against the Badgers. Quade got the Badgers in Madison and in the Regional Final in Champaign in 2018. |
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 24, 2021 7:34:54 GMT -5
One thing to remember is that AhMow hasn't had her first recruiting class in for a full 4-yr cycle yet. If I'm not mistaken, this years sophomore class was her first recruiting class. I see what you mean in terms of individual development, however, Shoji's recruiting class the few years prior to AhMow was dismal. Lipscomb, Castaneda, Howling were no studs coming in and eventually left the program. What AhMow did with what she had was amazing. Two first round losses (5 setters, who ended up in the final four the next year) and a sweet sixteen appearance shows me, AhMow knows what she's doing and getting the most out of her TEAM right now. The constant moving of players to different positions isn't helping either. I surely hope the plan is to move Leoniak to the OH position because that would mean a lot of players are vying for that spot. I have to agree with Ohi. I’m just not sure she really knows how to create a system and coach it. Shoji had a system that he ran and honestly his teams were very organized and had training to fall back on. The UCSB coach has a system that she runs and her teams all pretty much look the same in execution or at least what they are trying to do. Robyn seems messy?I also think it’s a stretch to say that it was “amazing” that she had two 1st round finishes. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but it is just that, an opinion. Kind of an out of pocket statement to make. I don’t think there’s any justification for calling Robyn “messy”, she doesn’t play favorites and will play the players that are competing the most in practice, that should be the goal of every coach; put the best performing players on the court. Not really into the whole disparaging of female coaches in ways that are not justifiable. Every player besides BVS and the middles are in full time player roles this year and will come into their own but anyone with even a fraction of coaching knowledge knows that there will always be some facepalm moments but this is far from a poorly coached team. |
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Oct 24, 2021 9:50:56 GMT -5
Hahha I know I feel awful, but I just don't see players developing under her. I feel like Dave was so good at getting the most out of his players but the last 4 years have felt really stagnant. RAMs is pretty good with recruiting some great players but then they don't really develop into anything. Idk, definitely feeling really critical I just need to stop watching Texas and comparing Hawaii to them hahaha. I guess I (and everyone else who has followed Wahine Volleyball since the mid 90's) was spoiled watching Robyn, Angie and company play in 95' and 96'. Then Heather Bown, Nikki Hubbert and company came along in 98' and 99'. Kim Willoughby, Lily and company followed from 00'-03'. Kanoe and Jamie right after in 03'-06’. Kanani and Aneli right after her and so forth through out the years. All under the tutelage of Shoji. Their teams were solid year in and year out, ranked every year in the top 25. Although none were able to hoist the trophy at the end of the year, a few were close, including the 96' squad which made it to the finals against Stanford in Kerri Walsh's Freshman campaign, along with the 00', 02', 03' and 09' teams where they made it to the semi's. They also had a couple POY's thrown in there with Angie (96') and Kim (03'). I don't want to say I'm comparing this year's Wahine team to teams of the past, but man I just don't see the level of play up there like what it used to be. Kim's Freshman to Sophomore year saw her go from a supporting cast member of the team to literally leading the NCAA in kills per set. Kanoe's Sophomore year saw three All-American's graduate from the year before, including all 5 starters around her, and yet they still reached a #2 ranking in the nation and went undefeated until there defeat to Wisconsin in the tourney. I get that the parity of women's volleyball has spread the talent throughout the country in recent years, but to see a storied program go from consistently being in the top 25 each year, against teams from the Power 5, to where it's at now.... I guess I'm waiting for them to rise again and be the storied program they once were, and being spoiled by what I was accustomed to throughout the years, I get that it's a process. I'm not knocking RAM as a coach because I know she know's what she's doing. Just waiting patiently for the day when we can be spoiled again and see her teams go to the final four and even bring home the National Championship. I know it takes time so we'll see how things pan out moving forward. |
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Post by wonkaman on Oct 24, 2021 10:23:04 GMT -5
Your "system" is defined by the players you have on your roster. I think Robyn is struggling with finding consistency at a couple positions and just not finding solutions. Those troubled positions are second left side hitter, right side hitter and until recently setter. It is insanity to stay with a "system" that is not having success because the players do not fit that "system".
I thought it was bold for Robyn not to use a libero at the start of the 2019 season because she was not satisfied with what she had there. Most coaches would just use a libero even if better options were available, i.e. using the libero for just one middle while allowing the other middle to play back row or just going with the regular substitution route.
Of course there is the chicken and egg philosophy. Coaches will recruit players to fit within a "system" that they prefer not to change. So you can recruit players that fit your style that may not be the best players, or you can have the strategy of recruiting the best players and develop an offense that fits them best, changing your style every couple years depending on the players you have on your roster.
There is a chance of success in both philosophies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 10:32:15 GMT -5
I have to agree with Ohi. I’m just not sure she really knows how to create a system and coach it. Shoji had a system that he ran and honestly his teams were very organized and had training to fall back on. The UCSB coach has a system that she runs and her teams all pretty much look the same in execution or at least what they are trying to do. Robyn seems messy?I also think it’s a stretch to say that it was “amazing” that she had two 1st round finishes. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but it is just that, an opinion. Kind of an out of pocket statement to make. I don’t think there’s any justification for calling Robyn “messy”, she doesn’t play favorites and will play the players that are competing the most in practice, that should be the goal of every coach; put the best performing players on the court. Not really into the whole disparaging of female coaches in ways that are not justifiable. Every player besides BVS and the middles are in full time player roles this year and will come into their own but anyone with even a fraction of coaching knowledge knows that there will always be some facepalm moments but this is far from a poorly coached team. Well I said “seems” and even questioned my own sentiment. One thing I’d like to say is please don’t make this about her gender. We’re not even going there as her coaching has nothing to do with her gender in my eyes. |
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Post by noblesol on Oct 24, 2021 11:10:08 GMT -5
Big West stats, compiled before this past week's results, had Hawai'i dead last in service aces. And they were near the bottom in limiting opponent's assists, which I interpret as largely a function of their weak/poorly targeted serving helping the other team stay in system off their serve. But, Hawai'i is staying in matches with blocking, digs, and hitting% near the top of the conference, when they do survive the other teams 1st attack, often in system, off their weak serving.
Might also attribute Hawaii's 'slow starts' to weak serving and a weak serving game plan. Falling behind early until they figure out that lollipop serving to the wrong targets isn't cutting it.
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Post by Seahawks 1972 on Oct 24, 2021 12:34:14 GMT -5
I have to agree with Ohi. I’m just not sure she really knows how to create a system and coach it. Shoji had a system that he ran and honestly his teams were very organized and had training to fall back on. The UCSB coach has a system that she runs and her teams all pretty much look the same in execution or at least what they are trying to do. Robyn seems messy?I also think it’s a stretch to say that it was “amazing” that she had two 1st round finishes. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but it is just that, an opinion. Kind of an out of pocket statement to make. I don’t think there’s any justification for calling Robyn “messy”, she doesn’t play favorites and will play the players that are competing the most in practice, that should be the goal of every coach; put the best performing players on the court. Not really into the whole disparaging of female coaches in ways that are not justifiable. Every player besides BVS and the middles are in full time player roles this year and will come into their own but anyone with even a fraction of coaching knowledge knows that there will always be some facepalm moments but this is far from a poorly coached team. Profound indeed :-) |
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