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Post by Seahawks 1972 on Oct 24, 2021 12:37:33 GMT -5
Na Wahine Forever!!!!
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Post by 2left on Oct 24, 2021 12:47:58 GMT -5
One thing to remember is that AhMow hasn't had her first recruiting class in for a full 4-yr cycle yet. If I'm not mistaken, this years sophomore class was her first recruiting class. I see what you mean in terms of individual development, however, Shoji's recruiting class the few years prior to AhMow was dismal. Lipscomb, Castaneda, Howling were no studs coming in and eventually left the program. What AhMow did with what she had was amazing. Two first round losses (5 setters, who ended up in the final four the next year) and a sweet sixteen appearance shows me, AhMow knows what she's doing and getting the most out of her TEAM right now. The constant moving of players to different positions isn't helping either. I surely hope the plan is to move Leoniak to the OH position because that would mean a lot of players are vying for that spot. I have to agree with Ohi. I’m just not sure she really knows how to create a system and coach it. Shoji had a system that he ran and honestly his teams were very organized and had training to fall back on. The UCSB coach has a system that she runs and her teams all pretty much look the same in execution or at least what they are trying to do. Robyn seems messy? I also think it’s a stretch to say that it was “amazing” that she had two 1st round finishes. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but it is just that, an opinion. I think if you look at video of Robyn's team at the end of 2019 when her "system" (strategy, coaching, execution) was finally ripe, even without Jolie, that system compares favorably with any of the Shoji teams systems in his latter years. The 2019 team played like a well oiled machine by the end of the season. The big difference Shoji's later teams had was an All America level terminator in Nikki Taylor who could bail them out with an out of system kill from the front or back row, or end things with a devastating block. Having just one tall lethal terminating OH makes a huge difference in making a coach's system look great, and Hawaii just doesn't have that this year. Add that to an Ah Mow team, like the beginning of 2019 with Jolie, and you have a team with a legit chance at the Final Four. When you don't have that and don't serve hard, a team's system looks worse than it is. It's like what the humble Dick Tomey said of WR Walter Murray, "He was one of those players that make a coach look smarter than he is." |
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Post by iamabeliever on Oct 24, 2021 14:53:56 GMT -5
I never said the serving is "bad". I just think it's weak and hardly gets the opposing teams OOS - even the weak teams in the Big West. We've been spoiled with good serving teams for the last decade or so. It's been a really long time since Hawaii did not have at least one hard jump server - this years team doesn't even have one in the starting lineup... Hard to evaluate if you are not sitting on the end line or have the opposition passing data for the matches and the season. Also, maybe this is just the B1G, which is pretty loaded again, but Orzol has a topspin jump serve that can be nasty, and it was highly effective on one weekend of league play, I heard, in opponent sideout percentages. This weekend, when it really came down to it, they had her going with a jump float that seemed to cause some disruption but was lower error (having a former engineer your head coach tried to talk out of coaching volleyball as one of your assistants does mean you have and are on top of the data). |
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Post by hwnstunner on Oct 24, 2021 14:58:06 GMT -5
Some of this dialogue is ridiculous.
Recruiting and depth charts go on YEARS before a player makes it to UH.
Hawaii lost Helllvig, who would have been our starting opposite, and Rasmussen, who would have been out outside, last minute with no ability to make up for that.
Y’all realize IF both stayed were talking about a potential top 16 team (dare I say top 10?), and if one stayed, at least top 30.
The players that have been revolving in the OH and OPP positions wouldn’t have been carrying the weight they would have if the two came back this year. Hence all the issues of inconsistency we’re seeing this year.
This isn’t even factoring a global pandemic and cancelled season. Sorry, if y’all don’t think that matters to the development of this team in comparison to the 315+ that had a Spring Season, y’all are delusional.
The fact Hawaii got wins against Texas A&M and USC given the lineup and experience they had was pretty astounding.
For anyone to think Hawaii should have beaten Utah and San Diego on the road the second week of the season had way too high expectations. Mind you this is UTAH. Not an easy place to adjust to.
Did Utah Valley loss hurt, yeah.
But UCSB lost to UC Davis, whom Hawaii swept. It’s called parity and UCSB is not a bad team in no way.
Hawaii controls their own destiny. Win their final 10 and they are the BWC champs and going to the NCAAs. Hawaii final game against UCSB may be the deciding match. But as we’ve seen, no team can take an off night in conference.
And IMO, UCSB’s loss hurts them way more than Hawaii’s loss to them at least after the first half of the conference season
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Post by iamabeliever on Oct 24, 2021 15:17:38 GMT -5
This link illustrates the strategic value of the float serve to provide enough offensive pressure on opposing teams while simultaneously minimizing the chance of your team committing a service error during the critical points of a match.
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Post by hapaguy on Oct 24, 2021 16:00:18 GMT -5
I really don't understand why RAM won't let Mia serve. We've seen her serve previously and she has a nice jump serve with lots of pace. Can get teams OOS with that serve more than Gong's lollipop serve.... Really? She does a fake roll shot from the service line. No pace whatsoever.  You think Mia Johnson's jump serve is a "fake roll shot" with "no pace whatsoever"? I disagree. Mia's jump serve has plenty of pace on it.... |
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Post by staticb on Oct 24, 2021 16:17:53 GMT -5
It's not a fake roll-shot but other teams were passing Mia's serve with ease. Not enough pace to disrupt opposing offenses yet. It looks fancy but I don't think the effectiveness numbers are adding up.
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Post by noblesol on Oct 24, 2021 16:24:04 GMT -5
This link illustrates the strategic value of the float serve to provide enough offensive pressure on opposing teams while simultaneously minimizing the chance of your team committing a service error during the critical points of a match. Jamie Houston with 35 points, hitting .347, about 200 pts. over her season average, and getting 7 of those down in the 5th set, was the 'strategic value' that won that set. Hawaii didn't beat themselves with service errors, but only one of their float serves in that set wasn't perfectly passed to the USC setter. It was the performance of Houston, good setting, blocking, digging and passing, and the melt down of USC hitters with a Hawaii crowd getting under their skin, that won that 5th set. Pretty much in spite of Hawaii's easily handled float serves, not because of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 16:53:00 GMT -5
Really? She does a fake roll shot from the service line. No pace whatsoever. You think Mia Johnson's jump serve is a "fake roll shot" with "no pace whatsoever"? I disagree. Mia's jump serve has plenty of pace on it.... Okay maybe a fake roll shot was too creative a description but she doesn’t hit the ball properly to put pace on it. Her jump serve is a wrist snap that applies a very slow top spin to the ball. Lol! |
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Post by noblesol on Oct 24, 2021 17:16:50 GMT -5
You think Mia Johnson's jump serve is a "fake roll shot" with "no pace whatsoever"? I disagree. Mia's jump serve has plenty of pace on it.... Okay maybe a fake roll shot was too creative a description but she doesn’t hit the ball properly to put pace on it. Her jump serve is a wrist snap that applies a very slow top spin to the ball. Lol! I've watched her hit it hard, with pace. Then after errors, get freshman nerves and pull back and just 'snap it over' and easily read as such. Of course, negating it all. At which point she went to a standing float, and might as well. There is no '65%' jump spin that is effective unless there is 100% jump spin threat.
But I'd argue the jump spin isn't really the answer to Hawaii's woes. The standing float can be effective, but Hawaii is too often content to just hit their targeted passer. They aren't hitting seams, they aren't going for lines or back line, they aren't serving short, they aren't hitting low line drives deep. Just floating it over to the targeted passer. Against UCSB they targeted Ohwobete over and over and over and...over. Floats for the most part that were, slow, arched, and easily passed. Obviously wasn't working, but there was no adjustment for over two sets.
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Post by wahinefan on Oct 24, 2021 22:05:30 GMT -5
People need to understand, this Wahine team is young, in terms of Division 1 experience. Just going by who started against CSUN, the Wahine had 2 Covid Seniors, 2 Sophomores, and 2 true Freshmen. There are NO Juniors on this year's team, cause I consider Gong, and Byrd Seniors, since I know Gong will not return next year, and the same can be said for Byrd. So everyone on next year's team, will all be back for the 2023 campaign. To me anyway, the 2023 campaign is what Robyn is building the Wahine team towards. It all starts with baby steps then growing from there. Win the BWC Title, and get into the NCAA Tournament. Get that NCAA Tournament experience. We all know the Wahine will not go far in the NCAA Tournament, but it is the experience that matters. Next year, not only make it into the NCAA Tournament, but the goal should be, make it to at least the Regional Finals. 2023 will be the payoff year, Semi-Finals, Finals, and quite possibly the NCAA Championship. For the Wahine to win the NCAA Championship title in 2023, the key will be how much these Freshmen this year, improve between now and 2023. Also, how those 3 verbally committed players pan out. especially the 2 Outside Hitters. If either turn out to be a Teee Williams, or even a Kim Willoughby type of player, there is no stopping the Wahine in 2023.
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Post by italianmattd on Oct 24, 2021 22:12:26 GMT -5
Some of this dialogue is ridiculous. Recruiting and depth charts go on YEARS before a player makes it to UH. Hawaii lost Helllvig, who would have been our starting opposite, and Rasmussen, who would have been out outside, last minute with no ability to make up for that. Y’all realize IF both stayed were talking about a potential top 16 team (dare I say top 10?), and if one stayed, at least top 30. The players that have been revolving in the OH and OPP positions wouldn’t have been carrying the weight they would have if the two came back this year. Hence all the issues of inconsistency we’re seeing this year. This isn’t even factoring a global pandemic and cancelled season. Sorry, if y’all don’t think that matters to the development of this team in comparison to the 315+ that had a Spring Season, y’all are delusional. The fact Hawaii got wins against Texas A&M and USC given the lineup and experience they had was pretty astounding. For anyone to think Hawaii should have beaten Utah and San Diego on the road the second week of the season had way too high expectations. Mind you this is UTAH. Not an easy place to adjust to. Did Utah Valley loss hurt, yeah. But UCSB lost to UC Davis, whom Hawaii swept. It’s called parity and UCSB is not a bad team in no way. Hawaii controls their own destiny. Win their final 10 and they are the BWC champs and going to the NCAAs. Hawaii final game against UCSB may be the deciding match. But as we’ve seen, no team can take an off night in conference. And IMO, UCSB’s loss hurts them way more than Hawaii’s loss to them at least after the first half of the conference season So where was the team that beat TAMU and USC? Yes, Hawaii controls their own destiny but when you have an inexperienced team beat USC and TAMU but then nearly loses to Fullerton and gets whooped by Santa Barbara, it makes you shake your head. Perhaps HHawaii is not scouting the opposing teams well enough or not working to adjust their weaknesses, or both. Match after match, their serve-receive is shaky, their sets have been off, the tips (Can we end those non-effective Tips!), There are no aggressive serves. It's like every match is a new Hawaii team. |
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Post by 5100 on Oct 24, 2021 22:13:25 GMT -5
I thought it was bold for Robyn not to use a libero at the start of the 2019 season because she was not satisfied with what she had there. Most coaches would just use a libero even if better options were available, i.e. using the libero for just one middle while allowing the other middle to play back row or just going with the regular substitution route. The reason for the no-libero lineup at the start of 2019 was Ah Mow's experimentation with four hitters and two setters. The setters came in for both middles. It wasn't necessarily because she was not satisfied with Okino, Hanawahine and Gong's back row skills. The moment Rasmussen was injured, Okino was back in the lineup full time and was instrumental in many of the victories. |
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You think Mia Johnson's jump serve is a "fake roll shot" with "no pace whatsoever"? I disagree. Mia's jump serve has plenty of pace on it....
