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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 31, 2021 11:09:22 GMT -5
So they're catching up to NE and TX, huh? and WI Lol. I'm the only bad fan. Nice try. |
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Oct 31, 2021 11:23:10 GMT -5
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 31, 2021 11:28:15 GMT -5
Better question...do I care? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 12:35:57 GMT -5
Coach has been on a steady three and a half year campaign to get her to play within the Nebraska system. She is a dynamic free spirit. I think he's earned the right to be a little frustrated and he's been pretty good about holding his tongue. Interesting contrast with Hugh, who basically never says anything! |
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Post by mnvb56 on Oct 31, 2021 12:50:56 GMT -5
A little snark from Cook about Sun. “Lexi finally decided she was going to play hard tonight,” Cook said. “It was good for her to come in, and she did some good things. She was also high-error, which a lot of our players were high-error.”Finally? He makes it sound like she’s been spending practice worried if she’ll break a nail. She is a dynamic free spirit. I think he's earned the right to be a little frustrated and he's been pretty good about holding his tongue. Not being a regular watcher of Nebraska VB, can you explain what the Nebraska system is, and how Sun isn't playing within it? I'm not either a fan or critic of her -- I'm just curious what the Nebraska system is. And I readily admit to being a fan--but not a student of--volleyball, so I probably wouldn't recognize any program's system if it came up and slapped me across the face!😊 |
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Post by volleyaudience on Oct 31, 2021 13:08:11 GMT -5
I believe the Coach's explanation is always: "Lots of little things." I think it's a long list.
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Post by ted_heise on Oct 31, 2021 13:19:46 GMT -5
The narrative of this match is that Nebraska lost because they let Lexi play... Not really. But it's Halloween and I wanted to see if that will keep this thread going for another 48 pages. Actually, despite all the whining, it actually was a terrific defensive struggle between both teams. There was a pretty high error rate on both sides for servers and hitting, but in my view it was mostly because they both felt the pressure of not getting automatic kills like they usually do against less talented teams. In cases like this even the best hitters get tired of having their bombs keep coming back, so they try higher hands or extreme angles and the balls go flying when they miss. The most entertaining part was when Nebraska won game two after being down 24-18. Think about that for a moment. But that spectacular comeback didn't make Minnesota crumble. They just played tough and gutted it out in five. (And the second most entertaining part was Minnesota winning the 5th 15-9 after being tied 9-9.) Hats off to both teams. A great defensive match, despite the whining. Great points. One correction it was 24-20 in set 2, when Nebraska reeled off 4 straight points and fought off 7 set points. Was very frustrating as a Gopher fan, but people saying the Gophers choked, aren't giving credit to Nebraska's defense and Hames tough serves to get back to 24-24. Think that’s a good point too, thanks for making it. |
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Post by mcmike on Oct 31, 2021 14:45:35 GMT -5
People hanging around the match afterwards all talking about the high level of play, tremendous defense and grit from both teams. Then I get home and start going through the Volleytalk pages for the match. Shaking my head. agree completely the word that comes to mind SPOILSPORTS your dog is out on a walk sniffing and peeing on top of others are they saying hello via peemail or are they letting others know they are in 'my territory' the thread is full of pissing and moaning and demeaning comments because their big dogs aren't dominating these folks were trashing the MN serve, but if you were on the end line and watching the serves knuckle in a match that runs over three hours you'd have sympathy for the passers. otoh Samedy does not have the toughest serve and it WAS surprising that the NE passing late in the 5th set was problematic. I promised myself to concentrate on the match and not pay attention or post to vtalk. But I almost violated the promise: As diehard Husker fans don't you think it is questionable whether Cook's nonverbals during a match or when he calls time out are motivating? My STRONG impression is that you don't elicit elite performance by displaying irritation or shaming your athletes. I don't watch all of the NEB matches, but when I do I am always acutely aware of the attitude that those two dudes display. Am just speaking for myself...maybe am all wet, but as a former athlete I don't respond well to seeing nonverbal behavior letting me know I am deficient. I guess great coaches have different ways of motivating and bringing out the best in their players. I was never a fan of Geoff Carlston and was glad when they moved on. If you spliced together the snippets of video of the NEB coaches during matches would your heart be lifted? |
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Post by azsker on Oct 31, 2021 14:50:28 GMT -5
People hanging around the match afterwards all talking about the high level of play, tremendous defense and grit from both teams. Then I get home and start going through the Volleytalk pages for the match. Shaking my head. agree completely the word that comes to mind SPOILSPORTS your dog is out on a walk sniffing and peeing on top of others are they saying hello via peemail or are they letting others know they are in 'my territory' the thread is full of pissing and moaning and demeaning comments because their big dogs aren't dominating these folks were trashing the MN serve, but if you were on the end line and watching the serves knuckle in a match that runs over three hours you'd have sympathy for the passers. otoh Samedy does not have the toughest serve and it WAS surprising that the NE passing late in the 5th set was problematic. I promised myself to concentrate on the match nd not pay attention or post to vtalk. But I almost violated the promise: As diehard Husker fans don't you think it is questionable whether Cook's nonverbals during a match or when he calls time out is motivating? My STRONG impression is that you don't elicit elite performance by displaying irritation or shaming your athletes. I don't watch all of the NEB matches, but when I do I am always acutely aware of the attitude that those two dudes display. Am just speaking for myself...maybe am all wet, but as a former athlete I don't respond well to seeing nonverbal behavior letting me know I am deficient. I would hope it didn’t take his nonverbal communication for them to know their play was deficient last night.. |
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Post by mcmike on Oct 31, 2021 14:56:26 GMT -5
"I would hope it didn’t take his nonverbal communication for them to know their play was deficient last night..>
DOH!
what don't you understand re. the issue of motivating?
You guys are playing like s*it instead of
Hey guys, what can we do to get this back in control?
how about you take a breath and consider the issue vs a kneejerk
ex.
Does Cook take his folder and put/place it on the table and call for a timeout? No,
He disgustedly drops the thing like it smells bad
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 15:12:06 GMT -5
People hanging around the match afterwards all talking about the high level of play, tremendous defense and grit from both teams. Then I get home and start going through the Volleytalk pages for the match. Shaking my head. It was interesting. It started very early in the match partly by non MN/NE fans talking about how bad the level of play was. Then the NE fans started going crazy because they were losing. Then the Gophs did that crazy tank in set two and the bad play narrative was out of control  |
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Post by mcmike on Oct 31, 2021 15:13:43 GMT -5
the most interesting topic On Wed both WI and NEB hit below their season averages. The defenses, block touches and digs were tremendous. Did they teams play deficiently or was this a B1G struggle On Saturday ILL beat PSU. I haven't seen the replay. ILL hit .299 PSU .327 "Penn State hit .400 with 18 kills on its way to a 25-20 win in set one. The Lions hit .387 with 17 kills in set two and .410 with 18 kills in set three but still dropped both sets." gopsusports.com/news/2021/10/30/no-13-womens-volleyball-drops-home-match-to-illinois.aspxBoth teams outperformed vis a vis hitting, but was the defense deficient? I have no idea. Last night both teams hit well under their season average. I don't think there is any question but that Shaff, at the end of sets, seems to have trouble putting the ball where her hitters can swing away. She can put a 31 to Myers that she can get on top of, but she can't put up a 1 or 2. I believe MN won the FBSO stat and would agree that something wasn't clicking in the pass-set-attack sequence for the Huskers. Gopher fans watched PSU outperform a couple of weeks ago and MN seemed so stressed they had trouble resetting and playing to their opponent's capability. otoh they hit about 50 pts above their season average so it's not like they were blown out as they were in Madison. I believe it is very hard to quantify if teams are playing badly when their hitting % is low. Many factors are at work. Someone point me to the statistics that determine a 'good match' vs a bad one. The Gophers have been castigated for needing 5 sets at home vs MI or 5 in Evanston to beat NW. This afternoon WI was taken to the limit by an outperforming Purdue. Did they play poorly. I don't think so. Getting beat does not mean you, necessarily, had a bad match. |
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Post by mcmike on Oct 31, 2021 15:28:55 GMT -5
NEB clamped down on Miyabe like NEB and Purdue clamped down on Orzol this week.
A setter has to change the angles for her hitters when the 'usual' isn't working. I didn't have a good angle for viewing Miyabe last night but I think Shaff needed to give her balls a little closer to the sideline or run her into the gap area.
this is something Hilley did late for Orzol that worked
It didn't help that NEB ignored the middle when Miyabe was in... and why not.
Stivrins 12 4 30 .267
Caffey 11 4 25 .280 23 kills
Myers 3 0 15 .200
Rubright 1 0 5 .200 4 kills
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Post by gibbyb1 on Oct 31, 2021 15:58:09 GMT -5
I was a little disappointed in this, it’s an unnecessary back handed compliment in my opinion. She showed some signs of being able to help them, poor choice of words. |
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Post by volleysfo on Nov 1, 2021 11:33:48 GMT -5
I think it’s terrible for the coach to make this comment. What’s the point? I don’t understand at all.
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