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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 19:58:24 GMT -5
Video is on YouTube with Michaela Chester interviewing the committee chair about the top ten if you’re interested. she was way more knowledgeable than last years guy but her defense for Baylor and Ohio state was WEAK lol. |
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Post by n00b on Oct 31, 2021 20:01:20 GMT -5
That's what bothers me the most, really. RPI is not a good metric. But what's worse is when the committee *selectively* ignores RPI. It ends up making RPI a tool they can use to justify dropping/excluding teams, and then something they can ignore when they want certain teams to host and/or get favorable seedings. Exactly, they did it for penn state giving them a seed when the RPI criteria said NO, they did it with giving Purdue a seed over Utah, they did it putting Nebraska above Pitt, they are trying it now with Nebraska at 6. Nebraska is currently #22 RPI, with a losing record against the top 25, and the #40 SOS. There is NOTHING about this resume that says #6. NOTHING. I’d give these idiots more credit if we could find other teams that defy RPI logic, but it’s almost exclusively reserved for Big 10 teams. They get over seeded year after year and then their fanboys want to claim that they are so great despite the fact that much of the ncaa success is handed to them by the committee ignoring its own criteria. Interesting. I don’t think I knew what a crying husky sounded like. Now I do. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 31, 2021 20:02:29 GMT -5
she was way more knowledgeable than last years guy but her defense for Baylor and Ohio state was WEAK lol. I actually forgot about that guy. Didn't he forgot at least one of the teams at one point? |
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Post by dizzydean on Oct 31, 2021 20:05:19 GMT -5
What has UCLA done to garner top ten before tonight?
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 31, 2021 20:07:32 GMT -5
Exactly, they did it for penn state giving them a seed when the RPI criteria said NO, they did it with giving Purdue a seed over Utah, they did it putting Nebraska above Pitt, they are trying it now with Nebraska at 6. Nebraska is currently #22 RPI, with a losing record against the top 25, and the #40 SOS. There is NOTHING about this resume that says #6. NOTHING. I’d give these idiots more credit if we could find other teams that defy RPI logic, but it’s almost exclusively reserved for Big 10 teams. They get over seeded year after year and then their fanboys want to claim that they are so great despite the fact that much of the ncaa success is handed to them by the committee ignoring its own criteria. Interesting. I don’t think I knew what a crying husky sounded like. Now I do. Well I suppose one is never too old to learn new things. |
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Post by basil on Oct 31, 2021 20:09:25 GMT -5
What has UCLA done to garner top ten before tonight? wins over Georgia Tech, Utah, Oregon, Stanford. now a win over Washington (might be forgetting someone). only serious blemish is a loss to Arizona State. |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Oct 31, 2021 20:10:17 GMT -5
she was way more knowledgeable than last years guy but her defense for Baylor and Ohio state was WEAK lol. Agree and agree. She may as well have said we liked Ohio State’s uniforms better. |
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Post by jwvolley on Oct 31, 2021 20:10:19 GMT -5
What has UCLA done to garner top ten before tonight? four top 25 wins, one top 10 win, good record and #11 rpi |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 31, 2021 20:10:49 GMT -5
What has UCLA done to garner top ten before tonight? wins over Georgia Tech, Utah, Oregon, Stanford. now a win over Washington (might be forgetting someone). only serious blemish is a loss to Arizona State. Even that Arizona State loss isn't that bad anymore. The Sun Devils could well be a tournament team. |
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Post by dizzydean on Oct 31, 2021 20:10:50 GMT -5
What has UCLA done to garner top ten before tonight? wins over Georgia Tech, Utah, Oregon, Stanford. now a win over Washington (might be forgetting someone). only serious blemish is a loss to Arizona State. Before tonight, I don’t see it as to 10 worthy. It’s academic now, of course. |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Oct 31, 2021 20:14:02 GMT -5
What has UCLA done to garner top ten before tonight? wins over Georgia Tech, Utah, Oregon, Stanford. now a win over Washington (might be forgetting someone). only serious blemish is a loss to Arizona State. My take away is that this year in particular teams have to be ranked somewhere. This idea of ‘what have you done for me lately?’ is tough when you can argue for different clusters of teams Being shuffled around for their official ranking. One could easily be 7th or 12th based on any number of factors, but you have to assign a number. For me as long as the top 4 is correct in whatever order and the top 16 is correct in whatever order, use whatever minutiae you want to parse our the actual numbers |
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Post by ndodge on Oct 31, 2021 20:14:28 GMT -5
wins over Georgia Tech, Utah, Oregon, Stanford. now a win over Washington (might be forgetting someone). only serious blemish is a loss to Arizona State. Even that Arizona State loss isn't that bad anymore. The Sun Devils could well be a tournament team. From article on NCAA site (I bolded that last odd part!): (https://www.ncaa.com/news/volleyball-women/article/2021-10-31/louisville-leads-di-womens-volleyball-committees-top-10-rankings) For UCLA, Brantley noted that the Bruins are a strong team that has been under the radar. They've got a top-10 win against Georgia Tech, who is also in their top 10, and they have four top-25 wins and seven top-50 wins. One significant loss came against Arizona State, but Brantley noted the Sun Devils are 8-2 in the last 10 matches and are playing well. Another aspect that went into putting UCLA in the top 10 was that they are out-hitting, out-digging and out-blocking their opponents. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 31, 2021 20:16:39 GMT -5
Nebraska and OSU are over overranked, but otherwise seems ok Agreed, and I'm also surprised that Pitt is fourth, considering they're No. 1 in RPI right now. I was surprised by this is because I can't find an example of a No. 1 RPI team being seeded below third. Here are the past seeds for No. 1 RPI teams. 2019: 1 2018: 1 2017: 1 2016: 3 2015: 3 2014: 1 2013: 2 2012: 2 2011: 3 2010: 1 2009: 2 2008: 1 Granted, this is just a top 10 reveal and not the actual bracket, but still. It struck me as unusual. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 31, 2021 21:22:39 GMT -5
I think people are way underestimating how useless this list is. There is no way to tell how this committee will evaluate teams based on a list done on 10/31.
I would have had Nebraska at #6 before Saturday. Obviously not now. Things change a lot between now and the end of the season - things change the last couple days of the season.
Criticisms of past brackets for bias is fair game - criticisms of a top 10 in the midst of constant change is a useless endeavor. 'If the season ended today' makes no sense - it doesn't end today.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 31, 2021 22:07:51 GMT -5
I think people are way underestimating how useless this list is. There is no way to tell how this committee will evaluate teams based on a list done on 10/31. I would have had Nebraska at #6 before Saturday. Obviously not now. Things change a lot between now and the end of the season - things change the last couple days of the season. Criticisms of past brackets for bias is fair game - criticisms of a top 10 in the midst of constant change is a useless endeavor. 'If the season ended today' makes no sense - it doesn't end today. I'm curious how you'd justify Nebraska at #6 before this weekend as opposed to Georgia Tech. Tech had a much higher RPI, just as many top 25 wins, fewer losses, and better SOS. Given what the committee says is higher priority, those are some pretty big pluses in GT's column for Nebraska to overtake them. Just curious your reasoning if you were on the committee. No shade , I know you come at it from an objective position. |
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