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Post by Pipe Attack on Nov 28, 2021 3:55:02 GMT -5
Did not see this flexibility in attacks as you mentioned is in Amber's repertoire. Anyway, the reason the middles need to slide attack is because there is no opposite to bail them out. We could probably have middles, like Magill, who will primarily work middle quicks - but then again, she had someone like Nikki Taylor who manned the right side. Without the right side threat - teams, much bigger teams will stuff Hawaii all night long! I’m not sure if you’ve seen the other games this season, but she’s been doing it all, and probably hits a better slide than Skye. She couldn’t overcome a defense that was geared to stop her at the expense of exposing the outsides, but that doesn’t make her one dimensional. She’s multidimensional, but just got outplayed. I have to disagree on this one. I did watch those early matches, but she hasn't really run some slides in a while. I'm not saying they should force her to - but just addressing her limitations. Because of it, that's what makes her seem one dimensional (especially when she is called upon or wants the attempts to get the kills). That's an observation aside from having to attack other players. Obviously, any team will target and put a formidable defense against our middles, but if she had more of a repertoire, she may have gotten some success ... or not, we will never know. I like Igiede, and when she is successful, Hawaii is really good. But it does seem like her efficiency has gone down a bit - probably as teams have figured her, and the Hawaii offense out. It still is a team sport. As for the tournament, depending on the draws, we could see some really big front row lines. If Hawaii will only attack from the left side and middle areas of the court .... dun dun dun Anyway, excited to see how the draws look tomorrow! |
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Post by italianmattd on Nov 28, 2021 14:07:17 GMT -5
Am I the only one feeling like I've been gypped? I mean, yes we made it to the tournament but I feel like this was not good enough for senior night. It was lackluster. We should have been ready for Santa Barbara. I feel like it was not as momentous as I pictured it or imagined it. I don't even feel the excitement going into the tournament.
This was totally different with the men's team going into the tournament. Yes they lost against San Diego but I was still hyped up going into the tournament. Maybe because I know the men could go far and won it? But with this women's team, it's as if I'm okay if they lost in the first round and it's great if they move on. But I don't feel that hype this year.
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Post by diyakuno on Nov 28, 2021 14:18:17 GMT -5
I feel the same thing with italianmattd -- but really my expectations were not that high given last year's cancellation and all. But for me, the excitement is that with "this team" (as one RAM would), we don't know "who" will show up. They can upset some teams for sure, but they are also very vulnerable to a brutal first-round exit -- you just never know! |
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Post by diyakuno on Nov 28, 2021 14:26:58 GMT -5
Tough loss on senior night, but for some reasons it does not sting all too bad. Would have been a great win, but this loss should inspire them for the first round, as I know they can challenge good teams.
I agree with some posters that this team is lacking an efficient and reliable opposite. This team, I think, is very much like the 2015 squad without a Nikki Taylor BUT with 2 strong outsides (Wagoner/BVS >>> Granato/Olevau). But even so, it was just not enough. I'm sure the coaches will be ready for whoever they play, and I hope Hawai'i can play their best, win or lose.
BVS truly was a gem for this program, and I'm so happy she found a path towards Hawaii! The progress of Janelle and the transformation of Skyler surely will have inspired many young Wahine fans, and I'm so grateful for their commitment to their own selves, and to the program. They endured so much, with coaching transition, COVID year, AND resurgence/birth of UCSB + CalPoly rivalries... that is a lot to ask from them but they pulled through.
This team deserved the BWC crown and so excited to a solid future for the Wahine!
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Post by po'okela on Nov 28, 2021 14:37:19 GMT -5
a lot of questionable calls made my the wahine coaching staff, the setter and the refs. this should have been a wahine win in 4 but you win some and lose some, at least we get to play another weekend.
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Post by babybacksets on Nov 28, 2021 14:52:07 GMT -5
a lot of questionable calls made my the wahine coaching staff, the setter and the refs. this should have been a wahine win in 4 but you win some and lose some, at least we get to play another weekend. I think at this point, the only ones who should be shouldering any blame at the players themselves. The coaches have prepared them plenty, it’s the players’ jobs to execute at the end of the day. Rob can’t step in and run the offense herself. |
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Post by Pipe Attack on Nov 28, 2021 15:00:58 GMT -5
a lot of questionable calls made my the wahine coaching staff, the setter and the refs. this should have been a wahine win in 4 but you win some and lose some, at least we get to play another weekend. I think at this point, the only ones who should be shouldering any blame at the players themselves. The coaches have prepared them plenty, it’s the players’ jobs to execute at the end of the day. Rob can’t step in and run the offense herself. With that said though, Santa Barbara was also relentless on defense and very aggressive on offense. Kept the Wahines on their toes. In the end, the match rode on if BVS could get kills and if the defense could give opportunities for her to take a swing. But Santa Barbara was all over anything! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 15:35:26 GMT -5
a lot of questionable calls made my the wahine coaching staff, the setter and the refs. this should have been a wahine win in 4 but you win some and lose some, at least we get to play another weekend. I think at this point, the only ones who should be shouldering any blame at the players themselves. The coaches have prepared them plenty, it’s the players’ jobs to execute at the end of the day. Rob can’t step in and run the offense herself. Robyn looked very flustered on the sideline which limited her ability to calm her team down. She even forced a few fake smiles. I believe this is where Ang was a perfect compliment to her. But I do agree that Robyn isn’t a magician who can turn things around super quick. I think she’ll continue to improve her game management and staying even keeled throughout matches. She’s already vastly improved from 2017. I don’t think she would point at her players and ask them to shoulder a loss as that’s a very toxic sentiment to have as a coach whether you voice it or not. When they win or lose, they do it together. |
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Post by brooselee on Nov 28, 2021 16:34:21 GMT -5
It’s human nature. UH clinched what they set out to accomplish the night before. No matter how motivated you are to avenge your lost, in the back of your mind, this game was meaningless at the end.
Also add to that, you have UCSB coming in more fresh, having last played on Tuesday and UH had all the focus on beating CSUN, this outcome should not be all that surprising.
USCB is not doubt a good team but they are young and sometimes not always consistent. That’s why they can beat UH twice but also can lose to to Irvine, UCD and LBSU.
UH is more steady. They two losses are to the second best team in the conference.
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Post by 808d on Nov 29, 2021 1:41:02 GMT -5
It’s actually not a bit much. There are many good hitters, but few 6 rotational players. Ambers game needs to include slides as well. Until she can, she’ll be one less step complete. The question now is, who will step up in the first round of the NCAA tournament? She can hit slides. She can also hit a variety of sets in the middle from all angles, high right side sets, block, cover blocks, dig, bump set, and serve.. She can dink too! Lol. Like we’ve seen last night. Yet I can’t really blame her too much about last night, because Lang had an off night setting her as well. If Amber can fix her footwork during her step outs though, she’ll be a monster next year. |
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Post by raian13 on Nov 29, 2021 1:46:06 GMT -5
I think at this point, the only ones who should be shouldering any blame at the players themselves. The coaches have prepared them plenty, it’s the players’ jobs to execute at the end of the day. Rob can’t step in and run the offense herself. Robyn looked very flustered on the sideline which limited her ability to calm her team down. She even forced a few fake smiles. I believe this is where Ang was a perfect compliment to her. But I do agree that Robyn isn’t a magician who can turn things around super quick. I think she’ll continue to improve her game management and staying even keeled throughout matches. She’s already vastly improved from 2017. I don’t think she would point at her players and ask them to shoulder a loss as that’s a very toxic sentiment to have as a coach whether you voice it or not. When they win or lose, they do it together. I heard coach Ang might return according to the Sandbows thread? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 1:53:34 GMT -5
Robyn looked very flustered on the sideline which limited her ability to calm her team down. She even forced a few fake smiles. I believe this is where Ang was a perfect compliment to her. But I do agree that Robyn isn’t a magician who can turn things around super quick. I think she’ll continue to improve her game management and staying even keeled throughout matches. She’s already vastly improved from 2017. I don’t think she would point at her players and ask them to shoulder a loss as that’s a very toxic sentiment to have as a coach whether you voice it or not. When they win or lose, they do it together. I heard coach Ang might return according to the Sandbows thread? If she does that is huge. She’s important for multiple reasons |
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Post by justaUHfan on Nov 29, 2021 2:40:01 GMT -5
I heard coach Ang might return according to the Sandbows thread? If she does that is huge. She’s important for multiple reasons Yeah that would be! Especially with the blocking!!!! |
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Post by 2left on Nov 29, 2021 3:50:38 GMT -5
She can hit slides. She can also hit a variety of sets in the middle from all angles, high right side sets, block, cover blocks, dig, bump set, and serve.. She can dink too! Lol. Like we’ve seen last night. Yet I can’t really blame her too much about last night, because Lang had an off night setting her as well. If Amber can fix her footwork during her step outs though, she’ll be a monster next year. Yes, I haven't seen Amber that shaken since the Nebraska match. I'm also a bit disappointed that the coaches couldn't set the ship straight. As long as UCSB is selling out by blanketing Amber, I think they should have run her on the step out, which would have opened up other offensive options by moving their middles around. Hawaii's primary countermove seemed to be "more of the same". But again, when you're playing a team that can out serve and out hit you, it's an uphill battle. C-Mac nailed it when Kanoa asked him if UCSB should change things up when Riley was killing them in the first set. He said no - UCSb should just wait until Riley cools down. |
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Post by 808d on Nov 29, 2021 15:47:34 GMT -5
She can dink too! Lol. Like we’ve seen last night. Yet I can’t really blame her too much about last night, because Lang had an off night setting her as well. If Amber can fix her footwork during her step outs though, she’ll be a monster next year. Yes, I haven't seen Amber that shaken since the Nebraska match. I'm also a bit disappointed that the coaches couldn't set the ship straight. As long as UCSB is selling out by blanketing Amber, I think they should have run her on the step out, which would have opened up other offensive options by moving their middles around. Hawaii's primary countermove seemed to be "more of the same". But again, when you're playing a team that can out serve and out hit you, it's an uphill battle. C-Mac nailed it when Kanoa asked him if UCSB should change things up when Riley was killing them in the first set. He said no - UCSb should just wait until Riley cools down. Hawaii needs Wagoner to go lights out with BVS! Also Lang better start setting Westerberg more to give her a more confidence boost! Westerberg was open many times, but one dimensional VB allowed UCSB to plant blockers on our hitters. Spread the offense open up holes in the block like you’ve mentioned. When Hawaii’s players get timid, they give away points. Unfortunately Wagoners position tends to be Hawaii’s bail out. If she starts playing timid, Hawaii’s chances of winning are slim. |
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