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Post by pbmu on Dec 5, 2021 2:15:27 GMT -5
UW .372% 8bl , 10sa
Hoffman 20k .400
Drechsel 11k .417
Grote 6bl
Hawaii .134% 4bl 2sa
Igiede 8k .467
BVS 7k .179
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 5, 2021 2:32:34 GMT -5
I was just reading through the thread now, and it was entertaining to see the Hawaii fans' reaction to Hoffman. I don't think she's known much outside the PAC-12, but Washington fans know how good she is, and so do the other PAC teams.
The main issue with her over the years here has been an unfortunate tendency to have to nurse abdominal injuries mid-way through the season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 2:50:17 GMT -5
I was just reading through the thread now, and it was entertaining to see the Hawaii fans' reaction to Hoffman. I don't think she's known much outside the PAC-12, but Washington fans know how good she is, and so do the other PAC teams. The main issue with her over the years here has been an unfortunate tendency to have to nurse abdominal injuries mid-way through the season. I remember Hoffman coming in during the 2019 match in Honolulu and thinking that she had an arm. Come 2021 she got two arms in one. All jokes aside, she’s got a beautiful arm swing and finish. When she gets a hold of the ball in system you can’t see all the little details but when out of system you can see all that technique and training. I was very impressed. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 3:52:31 GMT -5
Hawaii’s presser! Sky and Brooke continued to hold composure even into the press conference. I also like how coach is very complimentary of the University of Washington and their ability to host and play the game of volleyball. ws.onehub.com/workspaces/897881/files/2501779105 |
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Post by ay2013 on Dec 5, 2021 4:12:10 GMT -5
Go huskies! Will watch the match tomorrow.
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Post by veebz17 on Dec 6, 2021 6:42:30 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone will want to rewatch the game but here you are 😅
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 6, 2021 8:18:43 GMT -5
I forgot about that call right at the end of the first set. I don't think I've ever seen Cook so visibly angry about a call. From where I was sitting, I was screened out from seeing the play, but it happened right in front of Cook.
After the set ended, he went up to the scoring bench to get something (maybe the lineup sheet for set 2?), and while he was there he clearly had a deathglare for the R1.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Dec 6, 2021 14:45:52 GMT -5
I’m sorry I have to add to this and I don’t really mean this is a bad way. Whoever rebuts the “on the decline” argument by bringing up 2019 needs to question their own sight in general. 2019 was one year. A year where Hawaii was fortunate to pull 3 PAC-12 level transfers to bolster their roster. How great it is that Jolie, BVS and Bailey decided it was right for them to go to Hawaii. They came playing a high level of volleyball and were no strangers to the level that a team like UW brings. This was proven tonight with BVS being the only effective attacker for long stretches of time. If Hawaii is going to be consistent year in and year out, they have to win big matches like this more times than not to look more attractive to the higher level recruits. I love Hawaii volleyball because it’s where I grew up but I can love it and still be realistic at the same time. Stating that the program is “on the decline” is not a death sentence. It’s really where it’s at. Robyn has done well but she’s not a magician and it will take time. Money is also a major issue and so is the isolation from the continent and the Big West. When you look at this match big picture, Hawaii tried their best but your best is only going to be what you know. They haven’t seen a Hoffman level attacker enough to know how to defend her. Nor have they seen that type of consistent service pressure and size. Please keep having faith because that’s what makes a fan/fan base special. But be realistic at the same time. this might be the case of some seeing 2019 as the 'cup half full" versus 'half empty'. i understand your being guarded and thinking 2019 might be a one-off year. perfectly valid ... but it can also be viewed from another (equally valid) perspective -- in that it was a pretty cool achievement that robyn got hawaii back to the sweet 16 in only her 3rd year full-time coaching. hopefully there's no drought again. i'm holding out faith that there won't be. (and i see that you are too! ... so in that, at least, there's hopeful agreement!) the pac-12 transfers were a boost for sure, but the success of 2019 didn't rest on them alone. keep in mind that jolie was out for the bulk of the season. even bvs was injured for a middle stretch of the season. jolie returned by the end, but really only for spot duty. in the end, robyn pieced together a team from all that was available in her arsenal -- the transfers, shoji recruits/hold-outs (iosia, ross, okino, even williams) ... and also just as valuable, from robyn's own recruits (hellvig, igiede). we all had high hopes for this team in 2020. hawaii was starting off the year in familiar ground as a ranked team. and there was this optimism that robyn and company could build off the 2019 success. then covid happened. hawaii lost some critical on-court development time when the big west cancelled the season. and they saw some key players opt to move on, including 2 of the transfers, and one of robyn's recruits. they saw the departure of a valuable contributor (ang) due to personal/family reasons. it happens. and it was all beyond anyone's control. still, i think the lesson from 2019 is that robyn has the ability to get the program moving in the right direction. i don't think the program is on the decline. i think robyn's just getting started ... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 15:13:55 GMT -5
I’m sorry I have to add to this and I don’t really mean this is a bad way. Whoever rebuts the “on the decline” argument by bringing up 2019 needs to question their own sight in general. 2019 was one year. A year where Hawaii was fortunate to pull 3 PAC-12 level transfers to bolster their roster. How great it is that Jolie, BVS and Bailey decided it was right for them to go to Hawaii. They came playing a high level of volleyball and were no strangers to the level that a team like UW brings. This was proven tonight with BVS being the only effective attacker for long stretches of time. If Hawaii is going to be consistent year in and year out, they have to win big matches like this more times than not to look more attractive to the higher level recruits. I love Hawaii volleyball because it’s where I grew up but I can love it and still be realistic at the same time. Stating that the program is “on the decline” is not a death sentence. It’s really where it’s at. Robyn has done well but she’s not a magician and it will take time. Money is also a major issue and so is the isolation from the continent and the Big West. When you look at this match big picture, Hawaii tried their best but your best is only going to be what you know. They haven’t seen a Hoffman level attacker enough to know how to defend her. Nor have they seen that type of consistent service pressure and size. Please keep having faith because that’s what makes a fan/fan base special. But be realistic at the same time. this might be the case of some seeing 2019 as the 'cup half full" versus 'half empty'. i understand your being guarded and thinking 2019 might be a one-off year. perfectly valid ... but it can also be viewed from another (equally valid) perspective -- in that it was a pretty cool achievement that robyn got hawaii back to the sweet 16 in only her 3rd year full-time coaching. hopefully there's no drought again. i'm holding out faith that there won't be. (and i see that you are too! ... so in that, at least, there's hopeful agreement!) the pac-12 transfers were a boost for sure, but the success of 2019 didn't rest on them alone. keep in mind that jolie was out for the bulk of the season. even bvs was injured for a middle stretch of the season. jolie returned by the end, but really only for spot duty. in the end, robyn pieced together a team from all that was available in her arsonel -- the transfers, shoji recruits/hold-outs (iosia, ross, okino, even williams) ... and also just as valuable, from robyn's own recruits (hellvig, igiede). we all had high hopes for this team in 2020. hawaii was starting off the year in familiar ground as a ranked team. and there was this optimism that robyn and company could build off the 2019 success. then covid happened. hawaii lost some critical on-court development time when the big west cancelled the season. and they saw some key players opt to move on, including 2 of the transfers, and one of robyn's recruits. they saw the departure of a valuable contributor (ang) due to personal/family reasons. it happens. and it was all beyond anyone's control. still, i think the lesson from 2019 is that robyn has the ability to get the program moving in the right direction. i don't think the program is on the decline. i think robyn's just getting started ... I think we’re generally in agreement just from different angles. The thing is that I never did say that it was a “one-off” year. It was definitely the beginning of something good and I believe Coach has what it takes. My point is that it was just one year/season. That point cannot be refuted. In order to be considered elite, it takes multiple years strung together. Hawaii is definitely good as evidenced by a bunch of 1st or 2nd round exits sprinkled with 2 sweet 16s and 1 elite 8 finish in the last 10 years or so. But I don’t think that constitutes as elite which is what I see Hawaii fans are longing for. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 6, 2021 15:24:30 GMT -5
Hawaii’s presser! Sky and Brooke continued to hold composure even into the press conference. I also like how coach is very complimentary of the University of Washington and their ability to host and play the game of volleyball. ws.onehub.com/workspaces/897881/files/2501779105Requires a password. |
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Post by gooddoggie on Dec 6, 2021 15:38:57 GMT -5
I forgot about that call right at the end of the first set. I don't think I've ever seen Cook so visibly angry about a call. From where I was sitting, I was screened out from seeing the play, but it happened right in front of Cook. After the set ended, he went up to the scoring bench to get something (maybe the lineup sheet for set 2?), and while he was there he clearly had a deathglare for the R1. The refs are supposed to be objective and unselfish when adjudicating challenges, but they are not all equal in their abilities. I noticed that neither coach used all the good challenges they could have, which may reflect what they know about this particular down-ref. From our angle behind the scorers' table, the look of disgust on Keegan's face seemed pretty sincere and definitely out of character. In fact, after the break when bringing the lineup back to the table, that murderous glare was still there, and the coach made sure that both the ref and the players saw it. This Husky team is extremely self-disciplined, generous with their positive emotions (which the fans love about them), but very tight with negative ones. I think holding back on anger can break a player's intensity, so maybe the method in Keegan's madness might be that venting what the players should be feeling might help them stay focused. Looks like it worked. Provided he doesn't become Woody Hayes, perhaps a little more of this at strategic times could be a good way for Keegan to help the team from the sidelines. |
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Dec 6, 2021 16:03:30 GMT -5
this might be the case of some seeing 2019 as the 'cup half full" versus 'half empty'. i understand your being guarded and thinking 2019 might be a one-off year. perfectly valid ... but it can also be viewed from another (equally valid) perspective -- in that it was a pretty cool achievement that robyn got hawaii back to the sweet 16 in only her 3rd year full-time coaching. hopefully there's no drought again. i'm holding out faith that there won't be. (and i see that you are too! ... so in that, at least, there's hopeful agreement!) the pac-12 transfers were a boost for sure, but the success of 2019 didn't rest on them alone. keep in mind that jolie was out for the bulk of the season. even bvs was injured for a middle stretch of the season. jolie returned by the end, but really only for spot duty. in the end, robyn pieced together a team from all that was available in her arsonel -- the transfers, shoji recruits/hold-outs (iosia, ross, okino, even williams) ... and also just as valuable, from robyn's own recruits (hellvig, igiede). we all had high hopes for this team in 2020. hawaii was starting off the year in familiar ground as a ranked team. and there was this optimism that robyn and company could build off the 2019 success. then covid happened. hawaii lost some critical on-court development time when the big west cancelled the season. and they saw some key players opt to move on, including 2 of the transfers, and one of robyn's recruits. they saw the departure of a valuable contributor (ang) due to personal/family reasons. it happens. and it was all beyond anyone's control. still, i think the lesson from 2019 is that robyn has the ability to get the program moving in the right direction. i don't think the program is on the decline. i think robyn's just getting started ... I think we’re generally in agreement just from different angles. The thing is that I never did say that it was a “one-off” year. It was definitely the beginning of something good and I believe Coach has what it takes. My point is that it was just one year/season. That point cannot be refuted. In order to be considered elite, it takes multiple years strung together. Hawaii is definitely good as evidenced by a bunch of 1st or 2nd round exits sprinkled with 2 sweet 16s and 1 elite 8 finish in the last 10 years or so. But I don’t think that constitutes as elite which is what I see Hawaii fans are longing for. thanks for clarifying! to me, that's what i took away from reading your statements. so of course, apologies for misunderstanding ... and thanks for the follow-up. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 6, 2021 16:06:21 GMT -5
I forgot about that call right at the end of the first set. I don't think I've ever seen Cook so visibly angry about a call. From where I was sitting, I was screened out from seeing the play, but it happened right in front of Cook. After the set ended, he went up to the scoring bench to get something (maybe the lineup sheet for set 2?), and while he was there he clearly had a deathglare for the R1. The refs are supposed to be objective and unselfish when adjudicating challenges, but they are not all equal in their abilities. I noticed that neither coach used all the good challenges they could have, which may reflect what they know about this particular down-ref. From our angle behind the scorers' table, the look of disgust on Keegan's face seemed pretty sincere and definitely out of character. In fact, after the break when bringing the lineup back to the table, that murderous glare was still there, and the coach made sure that both the ref and the players saw it. This Husky team is extremely self-disciplined, generous with their positive emotions (which the fans love about them), but very tight with negative ones. I think holding back on anger can break a player's intensity, so maybe the method in Keegan's madness might be that venting what the players should be feeling might help them stay focused. Looks like it worked. Provided he doesn't become Woody Hayes, perhaps a little more of this at strategic times could be a good way for Keegan to help the team from the sidelines. Remember that in the tournament you don't get to keep challenges you win. Using a challenge when the score is 24-16 is just stupid (whether you are the winning team or the losing one). It's not going to change the outcome of the set, and you lose the challenge even if you are right. Cook could have been 100% certain the ref would have overturned that call, and it would have 1) lost him a challenge, and 2) only resulted in a replay anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 16:10:01 GMT -5
I think we’re generally in agreement just from different angles. The thing is that I never did say that it was a “one-off” year. It was definitely the beginning of something good and I believe Coach has what it takes. My point is that it was just one year/season. That point cannot be refuted. In order to be considered elite, it takes multiple years strung together. Hawaii is definitely good as evidenced by a bunch of 1st or 2nd round exits sprinkled with 2 sweet 16s and 1 elite 8 finish in the last 10 years or so. But I don’t think that constitutes as elite which is what I see Hawaii fans are longing for. thanks for clarifying! to me, that's what i took away from reading your statements. so of course, apologies for misunderstanding ... and thanks for the follow-up. I understand how one can arrive to that conclusion after reading what I posted originally. Okay I’m ready for 2022 Wahine already lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 16:10:38 GMT -5
Hawaii’s presser! Sky and Brooke continued to hold composure even into the press conference. I also like how coach is very complimentary of the University of Washington and their ability to host and play the game of volleyball. ws.onehub.com/workspaces/897881/files/2501779105Requires a password. Oh wow it’s never asked me for a password before. Sorry about that redbeard. |
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