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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jan 19, 2022 12:09:00 GMT -5
Qualified open 18's after last weekend Windy City (Boys Winter): Sunshine 18 LA, FC Elite, Rockwood Thunder Music City: A5 18-Marc, Madfrog 18 Green, Wave 18 Kevin KC MLK: Dynasty 18 Black Qualified for 18 USA Windy City (Boys Winter): Iowa Rockets 18R, Sunshine 18 Westside Music City: Tejas 18 Black, Woodlands Revolution 18 Premier KC MLK: Ozark Juniors 18, Club Ignite 18 Blue KC MLK: PVA 18 Elite also got a bid
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Post by BuckysHeat on Jan 19, 2022 12:18:35 GMT -5
Qualified open 18's after last weekend Windy City (Boys Winter): Sunshine 18 LA, FC Elite, Rockwood Thunder Music City: A5 18-Marc, Madfrog 18 Green, Wave 18 Kevin KC MLK: Dynasty 18 Black Qualified for 18 USA Windy City (Boys Winter): Iowa Rockets 18R, Sunshine 18 Westside Music City: Tejas 18 Black, Woodlands Revolution 18 Premier KC MLK: Ozark Juniors 18, Club Ignite 18 Blue KC MLK: PVA 18 Elite also got a bid You sure about that? There ended up only being 11 teams in open, USAV manual has # of bids listed at 1 for # of teams at 8-11. results.advancedeventsystems.com/event/PTAwMDAwMjY3NTg90/divisions/120268/standings
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jan 19, 2022 12:33:29 GMT -5
I'm about 95% sure. One of our parents asked the officiating table if there was a second bid still up for grabs and our coaches and club owner talked in terms of the second bid being available. Actually I'll say 97% sure.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Jan 19, 2022 12:40:20 GMT -5
I'm about 95% sure. One of our parents asked the officiating table if there was a second bid still up for grabs and our coaches and club owner talked in terms of the second bid being available. Actually I'll say 97% sure. That would be bizarre if so, why have rules laid out if they are not going to follow them. There were 12 teams originally registered but somebody dropped, maybe they threw a forfeit into the mix which was not added to AES just to keep it at 12. USAV has not updated their qualified bid sheets yet so cannot confirm either way. Edit: Coast was originally registered and accepted but did not come
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Post by dodger on Jan 19, 2022 12:45:51 GMT -5
18’s bids have in recent past in open not always stayed with listed protocols: the open division has low numbers in 18’s and they need X number of teams for USAV National Tourney so often you see bids not equaling those guidelines for 18 open. I do not know formula for 18 Open but experience says this happens
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Post by eazy on Jan 19, 2022 12:51:32 GMT -5
I'm about 95% sure. One of our parents asked the officiating table if there was a second bid still up for grabs and our coaches and club owner talked in terms of the second bid being available. Actually I'll say 97% sure. That would be bizarre if so, why have rules laid out if they are not going to follow them. There were 12 teams originally registered but somebody dropped, maybe they threw a forfeit into the mix which was not added to AES just to keep it at 12. USAV has not updated their qualified bid sheets yet so cannot confirm either way. Edit: Coast was originally registered and accepted but did not come I believe I've heard in years past that the number they use is the number of teams registered when registration closes, not on Day 1. It was said that tournament directors would ask a team here or there to sign up for an event they never intended on going to and be dropped the next day just to keep a certain number of bids available.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Jan 19, 2022 12:56:07 GMT -5
I guess PVA was gifted the second bid, I stand corrected. Congrats I guess
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jan 19, 2022 13:33:35 GMT -5
I guess PVA was gifted the second bid, I stand corrected. Congrats I guess Sorry to be that guy but I'm going to say that PVA earned their bid rather than it was gifted to them. They played really well and were a tough team to beat (or in our case, NOT beat)
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Post by BuckysHeat on Jan 19, 2022 13:59:52 GMT -5
I guess PVA was gifted the second bid, I stand corrected. Congrats I guess Sorry to be that guy but I'm going to say that PVA earned their bid rather than it was gifted to them. They played really well and were a tough team to beat (or in our case, NOT beat) I am sure they played well, it is just the shadiness of it all that I find distasteful and unethical. USAV can play whatever game they want, they make the rules and can bend them all they want after all. Does Coast get some form of advantage now if it is true they signed up with no intention of going just to give USAV a straight 12? This qualifier does not show up on Coast's schedule so it does appear they never considered attending. I guess I am getting too old to just look the other way and say anything goes or sh!t happens.
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Post by itsallrelative on Jan 19, 2022 14:03:11 GMT -5
Sorry to be that guy but I'm going to say that PVA earned their bid rather than it was gifted to them. They played really well and were a tough team to beat (or in our case, NOT beat) I am sure they played well, it is just the shadiness of it all that I find distasteful and unethical. USAV can play whatever game they want, they make the rules and can bend them all they want after all. Does Coast get some form of advantage now if it is true they signed up with no intention of going just to give USAV a straight 12? This qualifier does not show up on Coast's schedule so it does appear they never considered attending. I guess I am getting too old to just look the other way and say anything goes or sh!t happens. I believe USAV has always looked at registrations at deadline to determine number of bids....also, the less at-large, (especially at 18s) the better in USAV's opinion---they can be more controversial.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jan 19, 2022 14:27:55 GMT -5
Sorry to be that guy but I'm going to say that PVA earned their bid rather than it was gifted to them. They played really well and were a tough team to beat (or in our case, NOT beat) Does Coast get some form of advantage now if it is true they signed up with no intention of going just to give USAV a straight 12? This qualifier does not show up on Coast's schedule so it does appear they never considered attending. I guess I am getting too old to just look the other way and say anything goes or sh!t happens. I guess a point for that could be made if COAST doesn't win a bid but gets an at large bid. I don't know if everything is as shady as you potentially portray it but I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by volleydada4 on Jan 19, 2022 15:40:40 GMT -5
Triple Crown NIT is a month away. With the lack of confidence (putting it nicely) in accurate info coming from prepvolleyball.com these days, how do y’all feel about those PV rankings being used as a legitimate component in determining the seeds for the tournament? www.triplecrownvolleyball.com/eventdetailsnit.html
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Post by eazy on Jan 19, 2022 15:49:08 GMT -5
Triple Crown NIT is a month away. With the lack of confidence (putting it nicely) in accurate info coming from prepvolleyball.com these days, how do y’all feel about those PV rankings being used as a legitimate component in determining the seeds for the tournament? www.triplecrownvolleyball.com/eventdetailsnit.htmlI have faith that TC is not putting much stock into the PV rankings anymore.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 19, 2022 16:12:57 GMT -5
Triple Crown NIT is a month away. With the lack of confidence (putting it nicely) in accurate info coming from prepvolleyball.com these days, how do y’all feel about those PV rankings being used as a legitimate component in determining the seeds for the tournament? www.triplecrownvolleyball.com/eventdetailsnit.htmlI have faith that TC is not putting much stock into the PV rankings anymore. Majority of these "rankings" sites are complete and total BS that is filled with inaccuracies because you have teams that will enter every single match that they play, and others that only enter matches they won other than the qualifiers or larger tourneys submitting results. Other than that seeding comes with bias of clubs and coaches that organizers know or see a limited sample size of their season prior to making seedings. AES, Sportwrench, PV, etc. are all just junk - there needs to be an overhaul and standard way of entering and recording results.
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Post by eazy on Jan 19, 2022 16:40:58 GMT -5
I have faith that TC is not putting much stock into the PV rankings anymore. Majority of these "rankings" sites are complete and total BS that is filled with inaccuracies because you have teams that will enter every single match that they play, and others that only enter matches they won other than the qualifiers or larger tourneys submitting results. Other than that seeding comes with bias of clubs and coaches that organizers know or see a limited sample size of their season prior to making seedings. AES, Sportwrench, PV, etc. are all just junk - there needs to be an overhaul and standard way of entering and recording results. I don't believe anything you said is wrong. I can't imagine there being any solution in the near future though. No way that you'll get everyone to agree to use one platform, and no outside party will be willing to compile all of that data from separate sources without being compensated.
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