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Post by vbcoltrane on Dec 11, 2021 13:35:17 GMT -5
how did Samedy not make it Samedy should get some deals, as photogenic and well-spoken as she is. But it's a different market in the Twin Cities than Lincoln, or even Austin.I can only imagine how much the Tapp's could have made, were NIL available to them. That's true. Bigger cities/metros aren't necessarily uniformly better for NIL opportunities. On the one hand, there's more people as a market, but on the other hand, there's so many other teams and and other things going. That said, MSP is a fairly large metro that has a real substantive core of folks who support the university and its sports. This isn't always the case. Northwestern (my alma mater) might dub itself "Chicago's Big Ten Team" but there's more alums and fans of numerous B1G 10 schools in Chicagoland than there are connected to Northwestern.
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 11, 2021 13:39:54 GMT -5
That's pretty funny coming from Leigh Steinberg, who is one of the biggest sports agents of all time.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 11, 2021 13:42:21 GMT -5
for VB, I'd think that at the college level the bulk of the endorsement opportunities would be localized in communities that really support their college VB team - like Nebraska players in Nebraska. I can't think of many players who would have national pull. Flip side, a company can always take a chance and introduce a player or players more broadly, hoping that having high-achieving, charismatic players will benefit the company, even if many viewers don't know who they are. I think the base assumption is dubious: I'd think that at the college level the bulk of the endorsement opportunities would be localized in communities that really support their college VB teamBecause of social media, the reaches of the athletes are well beyond that of the college towns. It is a brave new world that we live in. A friend's 13 year old became obsessed with Purdue volleyball and she lives in Pennsylvania. The reason that Purdue even crossed her radar is a mystery that I won't even try to guess.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Dec 11, 2021 13:46:17 GMT -5
for VB, I'd think that at the college level the bulk of the endorsement opportunities would be localized in communities that really support their college VB team - like Nebraska players in Nebraska. I can't think of many players who would have national pull. Flip side, a company can always take a chance and introduce a player or players more broadly, hoping that having high-achieving, charismatic players will benefit the company, even if many viewers don't know who they are. I think the base assumption is dubious: I'd think that at the college level the bulk of the endorsement opportunities would be localized in communities that really support their college VB teamBecause of social media, the reaches of the athletes are well beyond that of the college towns. It is a brave new world that we live in. I friend's 13 year old became pbsessed with Purdue volleyball and she lives in Pennsylvania. The reason that Purdue even crossed his radar is a mystery that I won't even try to guess. Purdue is awesome. One of the only bearable B1G teams. Let that 13 year old live. It could be worse. She could be a nittany lion fan
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Post by Draco_MN on Dec 11, 2021 13:46:59 GMT -5
schwarzenbach on here is funny to me 😂
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Post by vbcoltrane on Dec 11, 2021 13:48:49 GMT -5
for VB, I'd think that at the college level the bulk of the endorsement opportunities would be localized in communities that really support their college VB team - like Nebraska players in Nebraska. I can't think of many players who would have national pull. Flip side, a company can always take a chance and introduce a player or players more broadly, hoping that having high-achieving, charismatic players will benefit the company, even if many viewers don't know who they are. I think the base assumption is dubious: I'd think that at the college level the bulk of the endorsement opportunities would be localized in communities that really support their college VB teamBecause of social media, the reaches of the athletes are well beyond that of the college towns. It is a brave new world that we live in. I friend's 13 year old became pbsessed with Purdue volleyball and she lives in Pennsylvania. The reason that Purdue even crossed his radar is a mystery that I won't even try to guess. Good point
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 11, 2021 13:49:44 GMT -5
I think brands that are willing to invest in women's athletics are smart. It's a hugely_core, the investment level is comparatively low, and there are some seriously popular female athletes out there.
Paige Bueckers might be the most marketable college athlete out there, although she isn't bringing in the huge NIL deals like Quinn Ewers or Bryce Young.
My wife pointed out yesterday that Mac May has a deal with Mercedes, which is pretty sick.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Dec 11, 2021 13:55:10 GMT -5
I can honestly say that my college-aged self would be crazy envious if my teammates were getting big NIL deals and I wasn't. This is something that anti-NIL folks argue (without any hard proof at this time) -- that it will lead to jealousy, dissension. That said, I'm fully behind it (not that it matters, it's the law now).
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Post by bayarea on Dec 11, 2021 14:18:21 GMT -5
I can honestly say that my college-aged self would be crazy envious if my teammates were getting big NIL deals and I wasn't. This is something that anti-NIL folks argue (without any hard proof at this time) -- that it will lead to jealousy, dissension. That said, I'm fully behind it (not that it matters, it's the law now). It definitely could lead to a sense of the 'haves' and 'have nots' on a team, and social interactions with girls can be messy. In a few years it will be interesting to look back and see if these deals cause a distraction and take focus and time away from practice/competition for some players. I mean, time management is already a big issue for most of them between academics, sports and social life.
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 11, 2021 14:28:25 GMT -5
If you actually talk to the athletes, there's a hell of a lot more resentment over who gets to play and who doesn't than who has NIL deals.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 11, 2021 14:31:24 GMT -5
If you actually talk to the athletes, there's a hell of a lot more resentment over who gets to play and who doesn't than who has NIL deals. You would definitely hope that this is the case. You are in trouble as a coach if that isn't the case: you'd recruited the wrong people.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 11, 2021 14:45:45 GMT -5
Personally I think NIL is terrible for the competitiveness of revenue sports. We’re only seeing the beginning of it. But it’s great for my team, Texas. UT is in a large, growing metro area with a lot of new businesses entering the market. There’s no professional sports presence to speak of. They have an extremely wealthy alumni base in a sports centered culture. Already we’ve seen a number of innovative non profit groups spring up with the announced sole intention of funneling money directly to athletes, including one for $10m intended for all athletes regardless of sport.
I’m not sure how much of an impact it will have on women’s volleyball in the short term. Can Nebraska and Texas recruiting get more dominant? But in the long term if a program can’t point to NIL deals among kids on the roster, they won’t be able to be competitive for the most talented players.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 11, 2021 14:49:33 GMT -5
There’s no professional sports presence to speak of. Well, y'all used to have a professional team: the Longhorns football team. But that has de-evolved into amateur status now.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 11, 2021 15:03:20 GMT -5
There’s no professional sports presence to speak of. Well, y'all used to have a professional team: the Longhorns football team. But that has de-evolved into amateur status now. It was the same way from 1984-1997. Only USC has approached UT’s level of dysfunction among football blue bloods. It always comes down to coaching, and Texas has a lot of swings and misses. Doesn’t change the fact that the NIL and transfer changes are going to make it a lot rougher for programs to compete with the deep pockets. Sooner or later it’s going to create a clearer cleave in sports programs than already exists. To me that was the biggest factor in UT and OU’s move to the SEC. While it was about money, per se, it wasn’t about increased revenue, at least for Texas. It was about being affiliated with other schools who will support an overarching structure which allows basically an unlimited spending cap, no matter how big a dissonance that creates within an institution ostensibly about providing a higher education.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 11, 2021 15:16:24 GMT -5
Well, y'all used to have a professional team: the Longhorns football team. But that has de-evolved into amateur status now. It was the same way from 1984-1997. Only USC has approached UT’s level of dysfunction among football blue bloods. It always comes down to coaching, and Texas has a lot of swings and misses. Doesn’t change the fact that the NIL and transfer changes are going to make it a lot rougher for programs to compete with the deep pockets. Sooner or later it’s going to create a clearer cleave in sports programs than already exists. To me that was the biggest factor in UT and OU’s move to the SEC. While it was about money, per se, it wasn’t about increased revenue, at least for Texas. It was about being affiliated with other schools who will support an overarching structure which allows basically an unlimited spending cap, no matter how big a dissonance that creates within an institution ostensibly about providing a higher education. It is going to be painful for UT and OU for a few years. My friends in Oklahoma athletics are saying that this is the main reason that Lincoln Riley left for USC, it was going to be easier to be competitive financially within the Pac 12 than it is to lag behind all the deep pockets in the SEC until they become full fledged members and get 100% of the cut.
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