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Post by aardvark on Nov 28, 2022 9:35:17 GMT -5
SEC has 7 teams in the tournament, while BIG10 and PAC12 have 6. ACC and BIG12 have 5. I find that a little troubling since SEC has.a weird system where you play the same opponent twice over the weekend either at home or away. Does anyone know how RPI accounts for that? IMHO BIG10 should have most teams and then the rest. That conference is crazy strong. I don't think the SEC getting 7 teams in has anything at all to do with their conference scheduling system. They had a Tenn guy in the committee, and I'm sure that helped getting several bubble SEC teams in the field. But mostly this year their mid-conference teams got clumped close to RPI bubble territory, while the B1G, ACC, and B12 did not. |
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Post by volleyheels10 on Nov 28, 2022 9:52:17 GMT -5
UNC doing UNC things. Already trying to secure an intraconference transfer despite all the talent already on the bench that has been promised playing time. Some wont get it if they get this player.
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Post by aardvark on Nov 28, 2022 10:03:53 GMT -5
UNC doing UNC things. Already trying to secure an intraconference transfer despite all the talent already on the bench that has been promised playing time. Some wont get it if they get this player. It sounds like you don't exactly approve of this one yourself. Personally, I think UNC should avoid making promises of playing time when they recruit. They should instead describe what a great school UNC is and let that seal the deal. |
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Post by volleyheels10 on Nov 28, 2022 10:12:11 GMT -5
UNC doing UNC things. Already trying to secure an intraconference transfer despite all the talent already on the bench that has been promised playing time. Some wont get it if they get this player. It sounds like you don't exactly approve of this one yourself. Personally, I think UNC should avoid making promises of playing time when they recruit. They should instead describe what a great school UNC is and let that seal the deal. Nope. We seem to be recruiting high level talent and them sitting and never developing so the coaches go for a transfer instead of realizing THEY are the reason they arent improving. I agree, dont make promises. Give opportunity. |
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Post by tarheellife on Nov 28, 2022 10:48:49 GMT -5
SEC has 7 teams in the tournament, while BIG10 and PAC12 have 6. ACC and BIG12 have 5. I find that a little troubling since SEC has.a weird system where you play the same opponent twice over the weekend either at home or away. Does anyone know how RPI accounts for that? IMHO BIG10 should have most teams and then the rest. That conference is crazy strong. That system ends this year. They did it the previous year for Covid purposes and then flipped it this year for competitive purposes, but they’re doing away with it for 2023. That doesn’t address anything else you’re posting about, though. My personal preference is that each team is evaluated on their own merits regardless of conference affiliation. I understand it will always be a factor, but I’m insensitive to arguments that a specific conference should have more tournament participants because of its perceived strength. But that’s just my opinion, and I’m certainly open to differing views. I don’t disagree with your premise of evaluating each team. But I do think that when you have such a conference system that should be accounted for in the RPI. Some teams there could have two easy matches and not play strong teams much. BIG10 matches are way more competitive. For example, I think Florida should have its RPI adjusted negatively since they lost to South Carolina and Georgia and didn’t beat any top 10 team except Wisconsin. They split with Kentucky. Played weak opponents in the other matches twice each weekend. Even if you look at them from an individual stand point they did not impress. But add their conference schedule and now you really have to discount their record. |
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Post by MonicaGeller on Nov 28, 2022 10:49:05 GMT -5
I wonder if UNC got an invite to the NIVC and chose to not play? GT played in it a few years ago and crushed it and now look at where they are.
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Post by tarheellife on Nov 28, 2022 10:52:31 GMT -5
It sounds like you don't exactly approve of this one yourself. Personally, I think UNC should avoid making promises of playing time when they recruit. They should instead describe what a great school UNC is and let that seal the deal. Nope. We seem to be recruiting high level talent and them sitting and never developing so the coaches go for a transfer instead of realizing THEY are the reason they arent improving. I agree, dont make promises. Give opportunity. The answer is simple: recruit by selling the school, not playing time. Say you will allow them to compete and get playing time based on merit. Put school above everything else. Only weak coaches promise playing time and then backtrack on it. Our program deserves better. |
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Post by volleyheels10 on Nov 28, 2022 10:53:20 GMT -5
I wonder if UNC got an invite to the NIVC and chose to not play? GT played in it a few years ago and crushed it and now look at where they are. NC State and UNC opted not to participate. Could have given the freshmen a postseason experience and gave the seniors another game or 2 but they are prob ready to just be done. |
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Post by jomama on Nov 28, 2022 11:01:21 GMT -5
I wonder if UNC got an invite to the NIVC and chose to not play? GT played in it a few years ago and crushed it and now look at where they are. NC State and UNC opted not to participate. Could have given the freshmen a postseason experience and gave the seniors another game or 2 but they are prob ready to just be done. Some programs are in the mindset of "go big or don't go". There is quite a bit of merit to getting post-season experience for underclassmen (see Georgia Tech as noted earlier). On the otherhand, a good chunk of the travel cost falls upon the program/school and some schools do not want to spend the money on women's volleyball. Now if it was basketball, then it would fine to spend $10K-$15K on a fourth tier post-season tournament. |
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Post by MonicaGeller on Nov 28, 2022 11:11:01 GMT -5
NC State and UNC opted not to participate. Could have given the freshmen a postseason experience and gave the seniors another game or 2 but they are prob ready to just be done. Some programs are in the mindset of "go big or don't go". There is quite a bit of merit to getting post-season experience for underclassmen (see Georgia Tech as noted earlier). On the otherhand, a good chunk of the travel cost falls upon the program/school and some schools do not want to spend the money on women's volleyball. Now if it was basketball, then it would fine to spend $10K-$15K on a fourth tier post-season tournament. 😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by jomama on Nov 28, 2022 11:36:20 GMT -5
I don’t disagree with your premise of evaluating each team. But I do think that when you have such a conference system that should be accounted for in the RPI. Some teams there could have two easy matches and not play strong teams much. BIG10 matches are way more competitive. For example, I think Florida should have its RPI adjusted negatively since they lost to South Carolina and Georgia and didn’t beat any top 10 team except Wisconsin. They split with Kentucky. Played weak opponents in the other matches twice each weekend. Even if you look at them from an individual stand point they did not impress. But add their conference schedule and now you really have to discount their record. Delusional. This thread is full of delusional fans. UF vs UNC in 2022 (or 2021, or 2020, or 2019.....) play 10 times, UF wins 10 with most (go with 8+) being sweeps. UF at USC went 1-1. Day 1 sweep, day 2 poor performance and lost in 5. Props to USC, they adjusted. UNC swept USC. Congrats. That loss and the UGA loss certainly stung, but UGA made it into the tournament. Agree there is a bit of hesitancy saying UGA is a superior SEC squad as they only had to play UF and UK once, but UNC only played Pitt once. Conference scheduling is out of the hands of the coaches. Both the ACC and SEC utilize a protective approach for scheduling to help their top conference teams (e.g., UF/UK, Louisville/Pitt) hold higher RPI and assist weaker teams (e.g., Texas A&M/Missouri, UVA/Virginia Tech) with helping them pick up wins in conference. Mid-level teams may have to play the top teams once or twice (e.g., UGA and UNC). A true assessment of how teams are in their conference would require playing each team twice - once home and once away. Neither conference will do that as it does not benefit the top teams (Louisville vs Clemson does not help Louisville, nor does UK vs Missouri help UK). One or two of the non-conference weekends would have to be taken away to make the double round-robin schedule work and those are weekends that UNC uses to play ODU/UMBC/VCU (some solid RPI building). Next season UNC will have a similar conference schedule to this season by finishing in the middle of the ACC. UF will face the top teams in the SEC. As for top wins...let's see... UCSB, Michigan State, Arizona, and Charlotte out of conference. Where did they each finish in their conference? I'll help 2nd (good W versus a team that went 4-6 early in the season then 16-4 in conference), (of T-12 (out of 14), 10th (of 12), and 6th (of 11). Hey - let's not forget about that conference win vs NCSU (6 out of 15). Kudos, three wins over teams that finished in the top half of their conference. So who's best wins are better? Have Mike or Joe reach out to Dave or Mary and schedule that non-conference match. Guessing that UF will decline - they do not need to hurt their and their conference's RPI. |
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Post by MonicaGeller on Nov 28, 2022 12:05:34 GMT -5
I don’t disagree with your premise of evaluating each team. But I do think that when you have such a conference system that should be accounted for in the RPI. Some teams there could have two easy matches and not play strong teams much. BIG10 matches are way more competitive. For example, I think Florida should have its RPI adjusted negatively since they lost to South Carolina and Georgia and didn’t beat any top 10 team except Wisconsin. They split with Kentucky. Played weak opponents in the other matches twice each weekend. Even if you look at them from an individual stand point they did not impress. But add their conference schedule and now you really have to discount their record. Delusional. This thread is full of delusional fans. UF vs UNC in 2022 (or 2021, or 2020, or 2019.....) play 10 times, UF wins 10 with most (go with 8+) being sweeps. UF at USC went 1-1. Day 1 sweep, day 2 poor performance and lost in 5. Props to USC, they adjusted. UNC swept USC. Congrats. That loss and the UGA loss certainly stung, but UGA made it into the tournament. Agree there is a bit of hesitancy saying UGA is a superior SEC squad as they only had to play UF and UK once, but UNC only played Pitt once. Conference scheduling is out of the hands of the coaches. Both the ACC and SEC utilize a protective approach for scheduling to help their top conference teams (e.g., UF/UK, Louisville/Pitt) hold higher RPI and assist weaker teams (e.g., Texas A&M/Missouri, UVA/Virginia Tech) with helping them pick up wins in conference. Mid-level teams may have to play the top teams once or twice (e.g., UGA and UNC). A true assessment of how teams are in their conference would require playing each team twice - once home and once away. Neither conference will do that as it does not benefit the top teams (Louisville vs Clemson does not help Louisville, nor does UK vs Missouri help UK). One or two of the non-conference weekends would have to be taken away to make the double round-robin schedule work and those are weekends that UNC uses to play ODU/UMBC/VCU (some solid RPI building). Next season UNC will have a similar conference schedule to this season by finishing in the middle of the ACC. UF will face the top teams in the SEC. As for top wins...let's see... UCSB, Michigan State, Arizona, and Charlotte out of conference. Where did they each finish in their conference? I'll help 2nd (good W versus a team that went 4-6 early in the season then 16-4 in conference), (of T-12 (out of 14), 10th (of 12), and 6th (of 11). Hey - let's not forget about that conference win vs NCSU (6 out of 15). Kudos, three wins over teams that finished in the top half of their conference. So who's best wins are better? Have Mike or Joe reach out to Dave or Mary and schedule that non-conference match. Guessing that UF will decline - they do not need to hurt their and their conference's RPI. I really doubt that anyone in this thread though UNC should make the tournament 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by tarheellife on Nov 28, 2022 12:12:34 GMT -5
I don’t disagree with your premise of evaluating each team. But I do think that when you have such a conference system that should be accounted for in the RPI. Some teams there could have two easy matches and not play strong teams much. BIG10 matches are way more competitive. For example, I think Florida should have its RPI adjusted negatively since they lost to South Carolina and Georgia and didn’t beat any top 10 team except Wisconsin. They split with Kentucky. Played weak opponents in the other matches twice each weekend. Even if you look at them from an individual stand point they did not impress. But add their conference schedule and now you really have to discount their record. Delusional. This thread is full of delusional fans. UF vs UNC in 2022 (or 2021, or 2020, or 2019.....) play 10 times, UF wins 10 with most (go with 8+) being sweeps. UF at USC went 1-1. Day 1 sweep, day 2 poor performance and lost in 5. Props to USC, they adjusted. UNC swept USC. Congrats. That loss and the UGA loss certainly stung, but UGA made it into the tournament. Agree there is a bit of hesitancy saying UGA is a superior SEC squad as they only had to play UF and UK once, but UNC only played Pitt once. Conference scheduling is out of the hands of the coaches. Both the ACC and SEC utilize a protective approach for scheduling to help their top conference teams (e.g., UF/UK, Louisville/Pitt) hold higher RPI and assist weaker teams (e.g., Texas A&M/Missouri, UVA/Virginia Tech) with helping them pick up wins in conference. Mid-level teams may have to play the top teams once or twice (e.g., UGA and UNC). A true assessment of how teams are in their conference would require playing each team twice - once home and once away. Neither conference will do that as it does not benefit the top teams (Louisville vs Clemson does not help Louisville, nor does UK vs Missouri help UK). One or two of the non-conference weekends would have to be taken away to make the double round-robin schedule work and those are weekends that UNC uses to play ODU/UMBC/VCU (some solid RPI building). Next season UNC will have a similar conference schedule to this season by finishing in the middle of the ACC. UF will face the top teams in the SEC. As for top wins...let's see... UCSB, Michigan State, Arizona, and Charlotte out of conference. Where did they each finish in their conference? I'll help 2nd (good W versus a team that went 4-6 early in the season then 16-4 in conference), (of T-12 (out of 14), 10th (of 12), and 6th (of 11). Hey - let's not forget about that conference win vs NCSU (6 out of 15). Kudos, three wins over teams that finished in the top half of their conference. So who's best wins are better? Have Mike or Joe reach out to Dave or Mary and schedule that non-conference match. Guessing that UF will decline - they do not need to hurt their and their conference's RPI. 😂😂😂😂 Some Florida fan I take it. Florida is know for not doing their homework and hype so I take no offense. Besides playing Pitt once at Pitt, you forgot to mention we then played Louisville twice in two weeks there and here and played GT here. All lost. Having said that, no one is arguing that we should have been in the tournament. We had bad loses against WF and Syracuse. That sealed it. Read our thread here as extra credit homework please. We are not good enough to play big teams. But we are not good enough because our coaches are not good enough and we don’t develop our players and not because we complain about our schedule. Our schedule is not much different than yours if you look at top 10 opponent play. We played top 10 four times while you played them three times. Your argument actually makes my argument. Florida is not as good as rated because of the schedule. You lost to top 10 teams except WI. WI had a bad day, congrats to you. Seeee, anyone can be that snarky. Just be honest and say FL is not as good as top 10 teams and based on your schedule should be even lower than they are. That’s all I’m saying. We are honest in saying we are not good enough and we want change of coaches. Own what you have and don’t be condescending to others and at least do your homework. I’m really interested to see how many SEC titles FL gets after Texas joins. |
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Post by jomama on Nov 28, 2022 12:53:15 GMT -5
A lot of what was said - I agree. Yes, UF fan for nearly two decades, but also a coach K fan (so do have an anti-UNC bias).
The 2022 outperformed expectations, but that is also where we differ —> reasonable expectations. A team loaded with freshmen and sophomores (helps that a big senior OH transferred in) won the SEC. I was hoping for a top 25 season but got closer to a top 10. I have only been able to watch a few ACC matches this year. GT was impressive, but feel Bergman carried a heavy load. Can they be as competitive without her next season (assuming she’s going pro)? FSU is decent, but not great. Miami is fair. Did not watch any of Louisville (I’ll add it to my homework folder), but being number 2 overall, they have be really solid. After those five there is a big drop in talent.
Texas coming into the SEC will only solidify the conference to help it compete with the B1G. I do hope the ACC continues to improve - at least their top teams are there. I personally do not think Mary will be around by then, so a reasonable change in expectation would follow but I am hoping that their success continues.
Potential sweet 16 opponent in Pitt this season is not an easy opponent whatsoever. However, Gators will have to get past a few other teams first and it’s the tournament - have to show up each round or get sent home.
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Post by volleyheels10 on Nov 28, 2022 14:06:41 GMT -5
Well anyway......UNC misses NCAA again and declines NIVC.
I expect we will find out as player interviews happen the next few weeks who will stay and go. Including if Joe stays who he will hire to take the Recruiting/AC Position and if he goes what will happen.
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